ahmadinejad sparks mass UN walk out

yosi wrote:

You keep saying that the "wiped off the map" thing is a lie, but you've never explained how the change in translation amounts to a change in meaning. When he talks about the "Zionist regime" he is pretty clearly talking about Israel as a political entity, and not about any particular Israeli government, so it really isn't at all clear to me how his statement, regardless of the translation used, does not amount to a call for Israel's destruction.

Regime = regime. It means the leadership of the country - those people responsible for perpetuating the occupation, amongst other things. Pretty simple really. But then you know that already, except the facts don't suit your purpose of toeing the party line by pretending that Iran is a threat to Israel so that you can feel justify in attacking them.

seems the evidence is on the side that ahmidenijahd is just your typical state leader. all state leaders are assholes: you're going to find something wrong with any of em.



based on facts tho, the real danger in the region seems to be the United States, not Ahmadinejad.


the US funded 1 war http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_e ... _iraq.html

green lighted another...

April Glaspie, US ambassador to Iraq wrote:

U.S. Ambassador Glaspie:

"We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

(this days before Iraq invaded Kuwait)


and started 2 more, desert storm and operation iraqi freedom.



so why are we so concerned with Iran now? anything specific?

yosi wrote:

What is this, 1st grade?! "I'm rubber you're glue..."

I'm no fan of Netanyahu, not by far, but I don't find him to be disgusting, nor do I think that he's dangerous (at least not in the same sense). That said, I'm not a fan.

But what about you and Ahmadinejad? What's your opinion of him?

I asked where is your criticism of Netanyahu - who, judging from his track record, is a far more dangerous and odious individual than Ahmadinejad. I don't see what's juvenile about that.

As for Ahmadinejad, I think he's mostly just a shit stirrer, but certainly no threat to anyone.


The fact that we're even having this discussion about Ahmadinejad is simply just another example of trying to turn reality on it's head.

Netanyahu has clearly stated that he is opposed to any eviction of settlers. And he resigned as finance minister after voicing his opposition to the eviction of settlers around Gaza in 2004. He has also been desperatley trying to push for and justify an attack on Iran.

I'd say that judging from the facts, Netanyahu is a far bigger threat to peace than Ahmadinejad.

http://www.examiner.com/nonpartisan-in- ... -with-iran
Netanyahu uses holocaust remembrance day to promote war with Iran
April 13th, 2010


http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-48365520100510
Israel primed for war on Iran - Netanyahu deputy
Mon May 10, 2010

http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node/9
'A vocal supporter of ethnic cleansing (a war crime) within Greater Israel, Netanyahu has called for "mass deportations of Arabs from the territories" and gained notoriety for his extra-judicial killings of "suspected militants" with missiles from helicopter gun-ships in populated areas. Under his leadership more than 2500 Palestinian prisoners were tortured (several died), more than 250 Palestinian homes were demolished, 6500 housing units were established in illegal settlements within occupied Palestinian territory - in total, the number of illegal settlers increased 9 per cent, in direct violation of the 4th Geneva Convention and key UN Resolutions, including 242 and 338. All in less than three years as Prime Minister from 1996-1999.'


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu
Prime Minister Netanyahu emphasized a policy of "three no(s)": no withdrawal from the Golan Heights, no discussion of the case of Jerusalem, no negotiations under any preconditions


In a video from 2001, Netanyahu, reportedly unaware he was being recorded, said: "I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."[87]

In a speech at Bar-Ilan University, Netanyahu said about the September 11 attacks: "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," and that the attacks - "swung American public opinion in our favor."

From the inception of the Oslo accords, Netanyahu opposed them. During his term as prime minister in the late 1990s, Netanyahu consistently reneged on commitments made by previous Israeli governments as part of the Oslo peace process, leading American peace envoy Dennis Ross to note that “neither President Clinton nor Secretary [of State Madeleine] Albright believed that Bibi had any real interest in pursuing peace.”[93]

In a 2001 video, Netanyahu, reportedly unaware he was being recorded, said: "They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo Accords]," "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."

there is a $2 billion a year program, known as hasbara, where Israel spends money on "public relations" in the US.

take 2 states in the middle east. one is known for its aggression (Israel) and one is known for its isolationism (Iran).

Israel is spending billions of dollars in the US to shape public opinion, the other very little.

the concern is about Iran. Americans make good sheep it seems.



think for yourself. question authority.