Racism, Discrimination, Idiocy

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

wtf is up with his board? I've been posting here f some time now and I, must have been blind, I never noticed all of the racism/discrimination/idiocy!

sooo much talk about united palace and the neighborhood and will I get killed?

I think I'm just surprised that many can hear great music and lyrics and yet not listen.

over bends · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

wtf is up with his board? I've been posting here f some time now and I, must have been blind, I never noticed all of the racism/discrimination/idiocy!

sooo much talk about united palace and the neighborhood and will I get killed?

I think I'm just surprised that many can hear great music and lyrics and yet not listen.

How many of the people showing concerns of Washington Heights are saying "oh no! Domincans and Blacks! I'm going to die! Fuck the show!" and not, "I heard the area is bad. Is it an ok place to see a show?" It's a legit question. Always know your environment before going somewhere. They are just asking.

Just as bad as racism sometimes is constant usage of the race card.

ehcanc · August 2008

Some people don't know the area asked a simple question. A simple response (as seen in dozens of threads over the past month) would suffice. The title of your thread is pretty harsh.

Sometimes perception equals reality and sometimes reality equals perception ... set them straight in a nice 10C way.

jonopono · August 2008

over_bends wrote:

How many of the people showing concerns of Washington Heights are saying "oh no! Domincans and Blacks! I'm going to die! Fuck the show!" and not, "I heard the area is bad. Is it an ok place to see a show?" It's a legit question. Always know your environment before going somewhere. They are just asking.

Just as bad as racism sometimes is constant usage of the race card.

Seriously. I've lived in NYC for 28 years. It's a big city with the attendant crime issues. Some neighborhoods are safer than others. Washington Heights has become much safer over the past two decades, but it still has plenty of crime issues.

From the NY Times in 2004:
"Robberies and other crimes in the 33rd and 34th Precincts, which cover Inwood and Washington Heights, have risen over the last year as they have mostly fallen citywide. For example, in the 34th Precinct, which covers the upper tip of Manhattan, robberies are up 14 percent for the year, though they have fallen 8.2 percent throughout the city, according to police statistics.

Burglaries in that precinct have risen 19.8 percent this year, while they have fallen 8.3 percent across the city. But Mr. Kelly said that some important arrests had recently been made in the area, which he thought would improve the situation.

Unlike the situation in other parts of the city, where the local questions tend to center on narrow issues like overdevelopment (Staten Island) or a preponderance of pornography shops (Greenwich Village), crime is by far the most dominant issue that community groups in Upper Manhattan are concerned with, particularly after a young woman was found murdered in Inwood Hill Park. "We have been working over the past several weeks over the numerous public safety issues," Pamela Palanque North, the vice chairwoman of Community Board 12, said in an interview yesterday. "And the response from the mayor and the police commissioner last night showed almost a little bit of a disconnect."

These statistics from 2005 highlight the improvements made in the area, but still show that a disproportionate number of violent crimes in NYC occur in Upper Manhattan:
http://nymag.com/news/articles/reasonstoloveny/2006/25624/

I don't think this was ever intended to be a referendum on Washington Heights, race or socio-economic issues. I think a number of people who are not familiar with the area were simply asking for information about their safety. Engaging them respectfully instead of browbeating them for having the audacity to ask about crime in an inner city neighborhood seems to be a more prudent and reasonable response.

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

hmm

maybe

When I went to the chi shows in the middle of nowhere I didn't have those questions or concerns, and it really is in the middle of nowhere.

It is concerning that so many have the same narrow thinking about new places.

title is harsh? I don't think it is, I think it offers an opportunity for discussion.

ehcanc wrote:

Some people don't know the area asked a simple question. A simple response (as seen in dozens of threads over the past month) would suffice. The title of your thread is pretty harsh.

Sometimes perception equals reality and sometimes reality equals perception ... set them straight in a nice 10C way.

Steveo · August 2008

this is why i always pack heat

Solat13 · August 2008

This is nothing new, just check all the threads about whenever PJ plays Camden.

ehcanc · August 2008

Tomorrow's show is going to be GREAT. I went to LA1 at the Wiltern Theater and the Palace seems to be a similar venue with similar features including recent renovations. The recent artists who have played there will no doubt increase it's popularity. And it's so much more convenient to us NJ types (please don't start stereotying us, haha). I'm not any of the things you typed in your Title line so it's not fair to type it in the first place.

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

thank u

that is exactly what I mean

it is not only about united palace it is anything different

makes me wonder where these people live, work, play?

Solat13 wrote:

This is nothing new, just check all the threads about whenever PJ plays Camden.

rival. · August 2008

i don't think it's racism & discrimination... just plain ignorance.

if you are that worried and concerned, don't come.

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

thankfully u understood the title of the thread

unlike above

and yes they shouldnt come, I would have gotten better seats

singularity wrote:

i don't think it's racism & discrimination... just plain ignorance.

if you are that worried and concerned, don't come.

xavier mcdaniel · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

thankfully u understood the title of the thread

unlike above

and yes they shouldnt come, I would have gotten better seats

i assume you got your tickets for the show?

ehcanc · August 2008

It's Sunday night at midnight on the day before I"M GOING TO SEE ED AGAIN ... and you write "Racism, Discrimination, Idiocy" .... I'll mail you on Tuesday with my review of the show ... assuming my car isn't stolen or I'm not shot. Is that the reaction you were digging for. Actually what was the purpose of your post in the first place ? You're dealing with a W-Heights transplant so be careful.

rival. · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

thankfully u understood the title of the thread

unlike above

and yes they shouldnt come, I would have gotten better seats

hey now! i was able to score row B in the orchestra saturday. i guess if a few more people bailed because of the location, i would have gotten row A.

i am going solo, and i am not concerned at all!

jonopono · August 2008

yeah ... maybe more focus on who all is going to rock out tomorrow night In The Heights!

ehcanc · August 2008

seem to be the young (ignorant) single ones from down town ... they don't have cars and taking a subway that far uptown is foreign to them .... funny stuff if you ask me. They are going to give long hard lives without that kind of common sense.

rival. · August 2008

ehcanc wrote:

It's Sunday night at midnight on the day before I"M GOING TO SEE ED AGAIN ... and you write "Racism, Discrimination, Idiocy" .... I'll mail you on Tuesday with my review of the show ... assuming my car isn't stolen or I'm not shot. Is that the reaction you were digging for. Actually what was the purpose of your post in the first place ? You're dealing with a W-Heights transplant so be careful.

i think the purpose of her post was to call out all of those that are starting threads complaining about how ed is picking such a "shit" area to play in. when us locals taking slight offense to those comments.

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

at last!

but looking for better

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

i assume you got your tickets for the show?

12345AGNST1 · August 2008

Never ONCE have I noticed racism here. This forum is rated G compared to other forums.

xavier mcdaniel · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

at last!

but looking for better

as long as you're in the house, i'll be there tomorrow night.

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

woohoo! another person that can read!

local? I like you already!

singularity wrote:

i think the purpose of her post was to call out all of those that are starting threads complaining about how ed is picking such a "shit" area to play in. when us locals taking slight offense to those comments.

ehcanc · August 2008

I'll get my tix at 4:30 ... where should I go to eat/drink after that? The 10C party is a Coogen's but was looking for other ideas.

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

hmm

u almost got the point

but no

ehcanc wrote:

seem to be the young (ignorant) single ones from down town ... they don't have cars and taking a subway that far uptown is foreign to them .... funny stuff if you ask me. They are going to give long hard lives without that kind of common sense.

xavier mcdaniel · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

hmm

u almost got the point

but no

on the topic sort of, how far is fort tryon park? i remember going there a few years ago and it was near the 190th street stop on the A?

rival. · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

woohoo! another person that can read!

local? I like you already!

i lived in manhattan for a few years with my ex. i am now in fort lee, nj. my apartment is literally on the GWB. i mapquested my apartment to the venue.... 2.2 miles. i am thinking of walking tomorrow PM.

ehcanc · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

woohoo! another person that can read!

local? I like you already!

Woo-hoo, Another person who can read !

Local? I like you already.

(Since we're getting technical)

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

o no, resort to correcting posts

aww u r cute

exactly what do u mean by we?

ehcanc wrote:

Woo-hoo, Another person who can read !

Local? I like you already.

(Since we're getting technical)

ehcanc · August 2008

LeilaMoonTurtle wrote:

o no, resort to correcting posts

aww u r cute

exactly what do u mean by we?

And now I see you and X are arguing on another thread about WH. I feel so cheated. I thought you were my thread combatant. I feel so slighted. Anyhow, I never once held any harsh feeling against WH and I hope you didn't think I did.

xavier mcdaniel · August 2008

ehcanc wrote:

And now I see you and X are arguing on another thread about WH. I feel so cheated. I thought you were my thread combatant. I feel so slighted. Anyhow, I never once held any harsh feeling against WH and I hope you didn't think I did.

I don't think you'd call it arguing. I think it's me explaining that I know little about the area due to my infrequency of visiting the area, which has nothing to do with preconceived ideas.

rival. · August 2008

can't we all get along?

where is everyone going for a preshow beers?

LeilaMoonTurtle · August 2008

haha

u r very smart, defuse fast!

I am not targeting anyone in specific, I honestly don't understand the fear of new, different things/places.

If one is so uncomfortable in a new place why bother? If one does not know about this new place just ask in a non-judgemental manner. Is that very hard to do?

Or just stay the fuck away, let me get better tickets.

ehcanc wrote:

And now I see you and X are arguing on another thread about WH. I feel so cheated. I thought you were my thread combatant. I feel so slighted. Anyhow, I never once held any harsh feeling against WH and I hope you didn't think I did.

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