death by stoning

fuck
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edited September 2010 in A Moving Train
what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?
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  • JonnyPistachio
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    I guess it is just considered more barbaric. its bloody and kinda disgusting. Plus, in most countries where this is practiced, they don't play a lot of baseball or sports that require throwing accuracy -- I'll bet it takes a few days for them to end up without a pulse. in the end, it all results in death, so its pathetic in my book anyhow.

    Also, there is outrage because many of the cases that i've heard of involve stuff like the lady in Iran that was accused of adultery (I think), and she must pay by being buried up to her chest and smashed to death with rocks. A little harsh i'd say.
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  • Shawshank
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    Although I have heard the rules state that if you can dig your way out of the hole they bury you in, you get to live. :?
  • edvedderrocks
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    She is being stoned for adultery, and her husband probably has 8 other wives. But that's ok... :oops:
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?

    has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery
  • catefrances
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    fife wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?

    has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery

    it certainly would solve the overpopulation 'problem' if we did. ;)
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  • callen
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    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?

    Good point. Think we should make everyone watch a lethal injection or electricution without the hood.
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  • LikeAnOcean
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    I'd rather be injected or electricuted. Stoning could be a horrible way to go, assuming one of the first few rocks don't knock you out.
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    fife wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?

    has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery
    no, we don't sentence people to death for adultery, but rather for crimes they didn't commit. (WM3)

    my point is we need to stop claiming moral superiority. just because lethal injection is more technologically advanced it doesn't makes it any less barbaric. is killing someone with a gun any less horrible than stabbing someone to death?
  • catefrances
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    _outlaw wrote:
    fife wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?

    has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery
    no, we don't sentence people to death for adultery, but rather for crimes they didn't commit. (WM3)

    my point is we need to stop claiming moral superiority. just because lethal injection is more technologically advanced it doesn't makes it any less barbaric. is killing someone with a gun any less horrible than stabbing someone to death?

    if you do it right its possibly less messy and more efficient.
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  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    catefrances wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    fife wrote:

    has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery
    no, we don't sentence people to death for adultery, but rather for crimes they didn't commit. (WM3)

    my point is we need to stop claiming moral superiority. just because lethal injection is more technologically advanced it doesn't makes it any less barbaric. is killing someone with a gun any less horrible than stabbing someone to death?

    if you do it right its possibly less messy and more efficient.
    lol, ok, but I'm not trying to discuss 'if' scenarios, I'm talking about this from an ethical standpoint. hence my 'we can't claim moral superiority' sentence that precedes it.
  • Godfather.
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    good thing we live in the USA otherwise some of us would be stoned to death. :lol:

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  • Jason P
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    If I was forced to pick my execution, death by having stones thrown at me would be pretty low on the list of methods. It would be ahead of being buried alive near an ant hill and behind a public beheading. True, the end result is the same but unless the jury panel includes a bunch of ex-MLB pitchers it would be a bad way to go.

    Lucky for me, I don't think I'll ever have to worry about getting sentenced to death.
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  • Cosmo
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    edited September 2010
    This is the Law for a woman that is raped, but failed to scream loud enough:
    If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

    This is for a woman who is not a virgin on her weding night:
    If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

    This one will solve the problem of those unruly kids of yours:
    If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    This is for anyone who curses the name of the Lord:
    And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16

    This is for working on the Sabbath Day (I'm looking at you, the National Football League and NASCAR):
    They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56

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  • nuffingman
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    Countries that stone people to death will never be regarded as civilised.

    I think it's hypocritical for all to critisise it on this board however, as many here seem to be regularly stoned.
  • Byrnzie
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    I'd like to be covered in bird feed and then pecked to death by pigeons. At least that way the pigeons get something out of it. And it would probably look pretty funny too so some people would get a kick out of it. It'd be a massive hit on Youtube.
  • nuffingman
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'd like to be covered in bird feed and then pecked to death by pigeons. At least that way the pigeons get something out of it. And it would probably look pretty funny too so some people would get a kick out of it. It'd be a massive hit on Youtube.
    Don't forget to send us the link. :lol:
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    _outlaw wrote:
    fife wrote:
    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?

    has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery
    no, we don't sentence people to death for adultery, but rather for crimes they didn't commit. (WM3)

    my point is we need to stop claiming moral superiority. just because lethal injection is more technologically advanced it doesn't makes it any less barbaric. is killing someone with a gun any less horrible than stabbing someone to death?

    this depends on where you shoot someone. level of torture. if you shoot someone in the foot and than in the ankle and then move on to every part of the body before actually killing the person the level of torture is very high but if you shoot someone right damm smack in the temple like an old mob hit that maybe less torture. but i don't know as i have never been shot anywhere including an old mob hit.

    but i am not for the death penalty.
  • Commy
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    _outlaw wrote:
    what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?
    not that i am for capital punishment, for any reason, giving the state power to murder you is idiocy at its finest....but stoning? that's something else. that's from BC man, get in this century for once.
  • Cosmo
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    Commy wrote:
    not that i am for capital punishment, for any reason, giving the state power to murder you is idiocy at its finest....but stoning? that's something else. that's from BC man, get in this century for once.
    ...
    That's funny... because you are right. Stoning is from the Fred Flinstone days... they goota come up with something that, at the very least, isn't so Neanderthal.
    ...
    And yes... I oppose capital punishment because I do not have 100% faith in our justice system. I think they get it right most of the time... but, most of the time isn't all of the time. Killing an innocent person by the state I am a part of... makes me (and all of us) an accomplice to murder. I'm not willing to take that risk.
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  • Byrnzie
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/se ... f-comments

    Iran accuses US of double standards over woman's execution

    Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani's sentence to death by stoning for adultery compared to Virginia's plans to execute Teresa Lewis

    * Saeed Kamali Dehghan
    * guardian.co.uk, Monday 20 September 2010


    Iran accused the US of human rights violations today over plans by the state of Virginia to execute a woman for the first time in nearly 100 years, despite claims that she has severe learning difficulties.

    Iran's state-sponsored media has devoted considerable coverage to reports about Teresa Lewis, who is scheduled to die by lethal injection on Thursday for arranging the murder of her husband and stepson in 2002.

    The parliamentary human rights committee said her case reflected "the double standards" of the American government, comparing her case to that of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a 43-year-old Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery.

    "We will file an official complaint to the international community against the US if the sentence is administered," Hossein Naghavi, an Iranian MP and the spokesman for the committee, told the semi-official Fars news agency. Several Iranian MPs have expressed concerns over Lewis's execution and have asked the US for her sentence to be commuted.

    America was one of the several countries to express outrage over Ashtiani's case, which has embarrassed the Iranian government after receiving considerable international attention. Iran has since suspended the stoning sentence, although Ashtiani is still being held in jail and her family fear for her life.

    In Virginia, governor Robert McDonnell refused an appeal for clemency for Lewis, who lawyers say has an IQ of 72. The supreme court has ruled that anyone with an IQ below 70 may not be executed. She has one last chance of appealing to the US supreme court ahead of her scheduled execution. The men who carried out the killings – one of whom was Lewis's lover – received life sentences.

    Iranian news agencies highlighted similarities between the cases, reporting that Lewis, like Ashtiani, had been convicted of "having an extramarital relationship". MPs criticised the US for sentencing Lewis to death while sparing the lives of the killers – as happened in Ashtiani's case.

    The Fars news agency criticised the US media for "being silent in the past seven years Lewis has been kept in jail". "On her execution day she'll wish for a better country whose judiciary would listen to its people rather than intervening in the internal affairs of other countries," it said.

    "It's not been a long time since the American media attacked Iran over the case of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani … Lewis's case has similarities with Mohammadi Ashtiani's case with the difference that Sakineh has been found guilty for the crime she committed but there are lots of ambiguities in Teresa's case. The US and the American media tried their best to make a symbol of human rights out of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani because of the background of their atrocities towards Iran but after seven years, human rights organisations have been silent for Teresa. This shows their double standard in relation to other counties."

    Iranian MPs Zohreh Elahian and Salman Zaker also condemned the US over Lewis's sentence which they say is "contradictory to international standards". They have called for a judicial review.

    In an interview with ABC last weekend in New York, Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denied Ashtiani had ever been given a death sentence by stoning.

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