death by stoning
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what's with the recent obsession about death by stoning? am I supposed to believe that lethal injection is the humanitarian way to put someone to death?
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Also, there is outrage because many of the cases that i've heard of involve stuff like the lady in Iran that was accused of adultery (I think), and she must pay by being buried up to her chest and smashed to death with rocks. A little harsh i'd say.
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has there really been an obsession or people talking about this one case. yes, lethal injection is not that humanitarian but we don't do that for adultery
it certainly would solve the overpopulation 'problem' if we did.
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Good point. Think we should make everyone watch a lethal injection or electricution without the hood.
my point is we need to stop claiming moral superiority. just because lethal injection is more technologically advanced it doesn't makes it any less barbaric. is killing someone with a gun any less horrible than stabbing someone to death?
if you do it right its possibly less messy and more efficient.
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Lucky for me, I don't think I'll ever have to worry about getting sentenced to death.
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
This is for a woman who is not a virgin on her weding night:
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
This one will solve the problem of those unruly kids of yours:
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
This is for anyone who curses the name of the Lord:
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16
This is for working on the Sabbath Day (I'm looking at you, the National Football League and NASCAR):
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
I know, people will say, "But these are ancient Jewish Laws from the Old Testament". These Laws do not apply to the New Testament. Yet, homosexuality is found... in the Old Testament (Leviticus).
Something else found in the Old Testament... Creation.
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Remember, many of the Middle Eastern countries are Theocracies that base their laws upon laws written in the Holy Texts.
Aren't you GLAD that we do not base our laws on what is written in the Bible? I am.
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I think it's hypocritical for all to critisise it on this board however, as many here seem to be regularly stoned.
this depends on where you shoot someone. level of torture. if you shoot someone in the foot and than in the ankle and then move on to every part of the body before actually killing the person the level of torture is very high but if you shoot someone right damm smack in the temple like an old mob hit that maybe less torture. but i don't know as i have never been shot anywhere including an old mob hit.
but i am not for the death penalty.
That's funny... because you are right. Stoning is from the Fred Flinstone days... they goota come up with something that, at the very least, isn't so Neanderthal.
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And yes... I oppose capital punishment because I do not have 100% faith in our justice system. I think they get it right most of the time... but, most of the time isn't all of the time. Killing an innocent person by the state I am a part of... makes me (and all of us) an accomplice to murder. I'm not willing to take that risk.
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Iran accuses US of double standards over woman's execution
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani's sentence to death by stoning for adultery compared to Virginia's plans to execute Teresa Lewis
* Saeed Kamali Dehghan
* guardian.co.uk, Monday 20 September 2010
Iran accused the US of human rights violations today over plans by the state of Virginia to execute a woman for the first time in nearly 100 years, despite claims that she has severe learning difficulties.
Iran's state-sponsored media has devoted considerable coverage to reports about Teresa Lewis, who is scheduled to die by lethal injection on Thursday for arranging the murder of her husband and stepson in 2002.
The parliamentary human rights committee said her case reflected "the double standards" of the American government, comparing her case to that of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a 43-year-old Iranian woman sentenced to death by stoning for adultery.
"We will file an official complaint to the international community against the US if the sentence is administered," Hossein Naghavi, an Iranian MP and the spokesman for the committee, told the semi-official Fars news agency. Several Iranian MPs have expressed concerns over Lewis's execution and have asked the US for her sentence to be commuted.
America was one of the several countries to express outrage over Ashtiani's case, which has embarrassed the Iranian government after receiving considerable international attention. Iran has since suspended the stoning sentence, although Ashtiani is still being held in jail and her family fear for her life.
In Virginia, governor Robert McDonnell refused an appeal for clemency for Lewis, who lawyers say has an IQ of 72. The supreme court has ruled that anyone with an IQ below 70 may not be executed. She has one last chance of appealing to the US supreme court ahead of her scheduled execution. The men who carried out the killings – one of whom was Lewis's lover – received life sentences.
Iranian news agencies highlighted similarities between the cases, reporting that Lewis, like Ashtiani, had been convicted of "having an extramarital relationship". MPs criticised the US for sentencing Lewis to death while sparing the lives of the killers – as happened in Ashtiani's case.
The Fars news agency criticised the US media for "being silent in the past seven years Lewis has been kept in jail". "On her execution day she'll wish for a better country whose judiciary would listen to its people rather than intervening in the internal affairs of other countries," it said.
"It's not been a long time since the American media attacked Iran over the case of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani … Lewis's case has similarities with Mohammadi Ashtiani's case with the difference that Sakineh has been found guilty for the crime she committed but there are lots of ambiguities in Teresa's case. The US and the American media tried their best to make a symbol of human rights out of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani because of the background of their atrocities towards Iran but after seven years, human rights organisations have been silent for Teresa. This shows their double standard in relation to other counties."
Iranian MPs Zohreh Elahian and Salman Zaker also condemned the US over Lewis's sentence which they say is "contradictory to international standards". They have called for a judicial review.
In an interview with ABC last weekend in New York, Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denied Ashtiani had ever been given a death sentence by stoning.
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It all depends on how you look at it, I suppose. If you believed in the Bible... Adultery and Murder are both in the Ten Commmandments.
Exodus 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery."
Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."
Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."
Leviticus 21:9 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
We just got used to ignoring the Bible as law and accepted adultery as an everyday occurance of our biology.
Aren't you glad you don't believe in the Bible?
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not that you asked but..
All religions deal with abrogation issues...It really isn't an issue of "ignoring the bible" as much as it is that the new testament doesn't really teach the same things as these old verses you brought out. Too many people with no real knowledge of the bible point to these old verses as the reason to do things in the name of religion that are completely against the later teachings (westboro baptists for one)...and it is also these contradictions many point to in order to discredit religion as a whole. interesting dilemma in the religious community that rarely is discussed.
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I understand what you are saying... and agree it to be true... but, from the New Testament, we get:
Matthew 5:17-18 "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished."
Matthew 23:1-3 "Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.'"
Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
Mark 10:11 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."
Mark 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."
Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
When Jesus gave the above laws, he gave them during the time when he spoke highly of the Old Testament's Law... doesn't that include the part about killing adulterers?
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I also hear modern day Christians say they dismiss the Old Testament as being 'Ancient Jewish law'... but, isn't the fact that the Ten Commandments ARE the Ancient Jewish laws? I can understand their point about Leviticus and Deuteronomy... but, the law regarding homosexuality is from Leviticus and that law is almost always trotted out and presented as justification aganist Gays. And if we discount the Old Testament... why are the Ten Commandments and Creation so highly valued? Both are found in the Old Testament.
It is the modern society that accepts adultery because adultery happens. And of course, modern day law makers give adultery a break because if we were to kill all adulterers, there would be no politicians.
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i wouldn't imagine that public execution by beheadings would be pleasant to watch. or that amputations of hands or feet for robbery would be so great either.
i wonder if the same people will complain while their own government supports the thing they complain about, doesn't make any rational sense to me at all.
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what's a few heads, feet and hands between friends? right. :roll:
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