U.S. troops charged with murder of Afghan civilians

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  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Godfather. wrote:
    judging by the footage on the news when we see people over there dragging our dead solders through the streets or what the radicals have done to american civilians in their country...are we the only country that "plays by the rules" ??? I'm not saying that these mens alleged actions are ok but we really don't know the circumstances or the whole truth of the matter, these men could be good men and good solders that have tolerated a large amount of violence from the people they're there to help..maybe it's hard to tell who the enemy is when one is in a war area..what that old saying about walking a mile in another mans shoes ? lets give our solders a chance to tell their side of the story,lets listen to what they have to say before you guys too judgmental on them.

    Godfather.

    I see what you are saying. War is hell and it must do awful things to the mind. Maybe these guys went a little off the deep end from what they have been through and it might be unfair to criticize these guys from our living rooms, especially before they have been given their due process. Due process is an American hallmark. However, we cannot ask anone else to play by the rules if we don't. It is as simple as that. It cannot be an eye for an eye. We must try as hard as possible to always do the right thing, even if it seems unfair, or we are no better.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    markin ball wrote:
    War is hell and it must do awful things to the mind. Maybe these guys went a little off the deep end from what they have been through and it might be unfair to criticize these guys from our living rooms, especially before they have been given their due process. Due process is an American hallmark. However, we cannot ask anone else to play by the rules if we don't. It is as simple as that. It cannot be an eye for an eye. We must try as hard as possible to always do the right thing, even if it seems unfair, or we are no better.

    And maybe those on the receiving end of America's wars can also be excused for going off the deep end too? Like those people who dragged the dead bodies of Americans through the streets, for example.
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    Byrnzie wrote:
    markin ball wrote:
    War is hell and it must do awful things to the mind. Maybe these guys went a little off the deep end from what they have been through and it might be unfair to criticize these guys from our living rooms, especially before they have been given their due process. Due process is an American hallmark. However, we cannot ask anone else to play by the rules if we don't. It is as simple as that. It cannot be an eye for an eye. We must try as hard as possible to always do the right thing, even if it seems unfair, or we are no better.

    And maybe those on the receiving end of America's wars can also be excused for going off the deep end too? Like those people who dragged the dead bodies of Americans through the streets, for example.

    Just to make myself clear I was not excusing anybody for anything.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    are we the only country that "plays by the rules" ???

    Please explain how bombing and occupying Afghanistan and then invading and occupying Iraq constitute playing by the rules? The Iraq war was illegal under international law. just as funding Latin American death squads from the money made by selling weapons to Iran was illegal, as was instigating the overthrow of the democractically elected Chilean government on 9/11. The bombing of Cambodia was also illegal which is why the crook in charge at the time tried to cover it up. Also, selling arms to Israel which it uses to maintain an occupation and slaughter civilians is illegal too.

    The U.S government plays by it's own rules. Period. Which is why you qualify as a rogue state.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    are we the only country that "plays by the rules" ???

    Please explain how bombing and occupying Afghanistan and then invading and occupying Iraq constitute playing by the rules? The Iraq war was illegal under international law. just as funding Latin American death squads from the money made by selling weapons to Iran was illegal, as was instigating the overthrow of the democractically elected Chilean government on 9/11. The bombing of Cambodia was also illegal which is why the crook in charge at the time tried to cover it up. Also, selling arms to Israel which it uses to maintain an occupation and slaughter civilians is illegal too.

    The U.S government plays by it's own rules. Period. Which is why you qualify as a rogue state.

    all you really know is what you read on the news and if you claim to know more than that you're just blowing hot air, but your comment was good " The U.S government plays by it's own rules. Period" maybe if we played by everyone Else's rules there would be stoning deaths for adultery or public exaction for white collar crimes
    or prison sentences or death penalty's for speaking out against the government public or private....

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    btw what I meant in the first part of my statement is that there is always more to the story then we are told.

    Godfather.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Godfather. wrote:
    all you really know is what you read on the news and if you claim to know more than that you're just blowing hot air

    So anyone who aquires knowledge from books, or by reading source material is just blowing hot-air when they present a fact or opinion?

    Godfather. wrote:
    maybe if we played by everyone Else's rules there would be stoning deaths for adultery or public exaction for white collar crimes or prison sentences or death penalty's for speaking out against the government public or private....

    Godfather.

    Why? Is this what happens in Luxembourg?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    all you really know is what you read on the news and if you claim to know more than that you're just blowing hot air

    So anyone who aquires knowledge from books, or by reading source material is just blowing hot-air when they present a fact or opinion?

    ""when it comes to national security yes....the public will never get the whole truth..sad but true.""
    Godfather.

    Godfather. wrote:
    maybe if we played by everyone Else's rules there would be stoning deaths for adultery or public exaction for white collar crimes or prison sentences or death penalty's for speaking out against the government public or private....

    Godfather.

    Why? Is this what happens in Luxembourg?

    dunno ?

    Godfather.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    are we the only country that "plays by the rules" ???

    Please explain how bombing and occupying Afghanistan and then invading and occupying Iraq constitute playing by the rules? The Iraq war was illegal under international law. just as funding Latin American death squads from the money made by selling weapons to Iran was illegal, as was instigating the overthrow of the democractically elected Chilean government on 9/11. The bombing of Cambodia was also illegal which is why the crook in charge at the time tried to cover it up. Also, selling arms to Israel which it uses to maintain an occupation and slaughter civilians is illegal too.

    The U.S government plays by it's own rules. Period. Which is why you qualify as a rogue state.

    no rogue states do what they want and are a threat. were just spreading the democracy and freedom. ;)
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    catefrances wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    are we the only country that "plays by the rules" ???

    Please explain how bombing and occupying Afghanistan and then invading and occupying Iraq constitute playing by the rules? The Iraq war was illegal under international law. just as funding Latin American death squads from the money made by selling weapons to Iran was illegal, as was instigating the overthrow of the democractically elected Chilean government on 9/11. The bombing of Cambodia was also illegal which is why the crook in charge at the time tried to cover it up. Also, selling arms to Israel which it uses to maintain an occupation and slaughter civilians is illegal too.

    The U.S government plays by it's own rules. Period. Which is why you qualify as a rogue state.

    no rogue states do what they want and are a threat. were just spreading the democracy and freedom. ;)

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    Godfather.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    whenever they say civilian casualties were "accidents" or "collateral damage" its not entirely true. going into war you can guarantee civilians will be killed, as such "accident" is misleading.



    same with stories like this. not only should the individuals involved be punished, but justice need be sought at the highest level, those that led us into this fucked up war.

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