Mosque-Issippi Burning..

BamaPJFan wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

BamaPJFan wrote:

McVeigh wasn't a Christian. He was a professed atheist.

A better analogy for this multi-purpose mosque in Manhattan might be thinking that a memorial should be placed at Pearl Harbor to honor the Japanese military.

If the proponents of the mosque were really about healing and showing compassion toward the victims of 9/11, then they wouldn't have a problem in finding a more appropriate site for the facility. In the end, it's going to be hard to find a construction company (and construction workers) that's willing to build the mosque (if the location isn't changed).

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Your 'better' analogy would fit... if it were Al Qaeda sponsoring a community center. Al Qaeda was responsible for the attack, not the religion of Islam. The Japanese Imperial Navy was responsible for the Pearl Harbor attack, not the entire Buddhist Religion.
In order for your analogy to fit... if you are opposed to a Muslim Center with a prayer center near the site of the World Trade Centers... then, you are opposed to a Buddhist prayer center near Pearl Harbor.

I never said anything about the Buddhist religion; you're still trying to cause unnecessary confusion over this issue but I see you for what you are. The Buddhist philosophy/religion obviously had nothing to do with the Pearl Harbor attack (who ever said that it did?). To be applicable, an analogy concerning the Ground Zero mosque does not have to have anything to do with religion. I stick by my Japanese military memorial at Pearl Harbor analogy. It makes perfect sense in that it would be very hurtful to the United States and the U.S. military families who were affected if the Japense wanted to memorialize the Japenese attackers at Pearl Harbor. You and your ilk can continue to be on the wrong side of this issue and continue to criticize those with a mainstream, sensible viewpoint. I predict that there will be a compromise and this facility will be built somewhere else.

Wow. Way to completely miss the point. You're the one attaching Islam to those behind 9/11. Buddhism could just as well be attached to the Japanese military by that logic. How is that unclear to you?

Regardless of how confused you may be, the fact is that to prevent this so called mosque being built would be unconstitutional... or as you may know it "letting the terrorists win". I love how you claim to have a sensible viewpoint. What is so sacred about a fucking coat factory anyway? People like you embarass me as an American.

BamaPJFan wrote:

I never said anything about the Buddhist religion; you're still trying to cause unnecessary confusion over this issue but I see you for what you are. The Buddhist philosophy/religion obviously had nothing to do with the Pearl Harbor attack (who ever said that it did?). To be applicable, an analogy concerning the Ground Zero mosque does not have to have anything to do with religion. I stick by my Japanese military memorial at Pearl Harbor analogy. It makes perfect sense in that it would be very hurtful to the United States and the U.S. military families who were affected if the Japense wanted to memorialize the Japenese attackers at Pearl Harbor. You and your ilk can continue to be on the wrong side of this issue and continue to criticize those with a mainstream, sensible viewpoint. I predict that there will be a compromise and this facility will be built somewhere else.

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Let me try to put your logic as simply as possible...
You say, placing a Mosque near the place where the World Trade Centers once stood... would be the same as the Japanese military put a monument near Pearl Harbor.
Your perception is:
Mosque = Memorial to Mohammed Atta and crew
Islam = Japanese Military pilots or
Islamic Mosque = Japanese Military memorial monument
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I am pointing out that your basic premise is incorrect.
Fact is:
Al Qaeda Mosque = Japanese Military memorial monument
based upon the fact that Al Qaeda carried out the September 11, 2001 attack and the Japanese Imperial Navy carried out the attack on Pearl Harbor.
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So, in order for your analogy to fit, you would need to equate the Islamic Religion with the perdominant religion of Japan, Buddhism... because religion equals Religion... not Religion equal Navy.
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So, we would agree that if Al Qaeda were putting a monument that supports the ideology of Al Qaeda would not be right... and i would oppose that.

murphyJammer wrote:

BamaPJFan wrote:

A better analogy for this multi-purpose mosque in Manhattan might be thinking that a memorial should be placed at Pearl Harbor to honor the Japanese military.

Did I miss the part where the world trade center had become an American military base?

The two are not equivalent. Pearl Harbor was one military attacking another. 9/11 was civilians being attacked not by a military, but by a small group of people who were (by comparison to a major, organized military) working alone.

oh youre forgetting the part where afghanistan provided sanctuary for al qaeda... thats why we invaded their country. so not quite so alone.