I dont get it...whats is the deal with ARC?

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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    ii44 wrote:
    It might not be a song, but it's music, incredibly meaningful music.
    Its not really a song, its an intro. more of a hym. That is what makes it so special.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    jesus christ people, back off.

    just because a "song" has meaning for someone, doesn't mean everyone else has to like it. I also don't like Arc and don't think it's a song. I can't stand listening to it, but I respect the meaning it might have for Ed (or whoever), although I'm not going to fall all over it. I hear people talk about how Come Back has so much meaning for them...I simply cannot stand that song. I personally love Footsteps and it has meaning to me, but I am not going to bitch someone out for "not understanding the meaning" or throw them overboard because they disagree.

    I think the original poster has the right to post that he thinks it sucks JUST as much as you people have to give your opinions against it. But don't go making him look like a bad guy or insensitive because he doesn't know why the non-song was written or what.

    sometimes people can be so mean. maybe he just didn't know.


    Comeback stinks.
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  • blueeyedevil
    blueeyedevil Posts: 173
    Just throwing this out to those people who feel that a negative opinion towards "Arc" is such an insult:

    In the wake of 9/11, there were MANY, MANY, MANY songs that dealt directly with the attack. Honestly, 95% or more of them were terrible. Just because one respects the emotional input a writer has for their topic, doesn't mean they are obligated to like the song itself. There is nothing "negative" about not enjoying a song. It's a matter of taste, and to each his own.

    EXAMPLE: That Alan Jackson song (I'm not sure of the title) where he asks "Where were you when the world stopped turning?"........ I think the guy put an honest and emotional effort in creaitng a tribute to those that passed away. The track was a huge hit, and I'm sure many people found it moving. Yet, I think the song is shit. Am I insensitive towards 9/11? Nope. Just think the song itself sucks.

    Now, is "Arc" a song? Of course. Saying that an instrumental, or a chant makes it less of a song does show some limited appreciation of music. Music without lyrics is a pretty old concept, ya' know?
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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    over_bends wrote:
    You have the right to hold the opinion that Arc sucks. But you don't have the right to hold the opinion that it is not a song, because that's not an opinion. That's a narrow-minded stupid as fuck thought process that has no reason to ever be verbalized or in this case typed out. Arc is a song. That's a fact.


    I don't have the "RIGHT to hold that it is not a song" HAAAAA Thank you for letting me know how to think.

    It's not a song. that is my opinion, take it or leave it. It isn't narrow-minded. I've given it thought. Perhaps you're so unreasonable that you can't even consider that I gave thought to my post. get over yourself and stop telling me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

    you're an idiot. That's a fact.
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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    Comeback stinks.


    i KNEW i wasn't the only one who doesn't like Comeback :-)
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  • washedinblack91
    washedinblack91 Posts: 3,079
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    I don't have the "RIGHT to hold that it is not a song" HAAAAA Thank you for letting me know how to think.

    It's not a song. that is my opinion, take it or leave it. It isn't narrow-minded. I've given it thought. Perhaps you're so unreasonable that you can't even consider that I gave thought to my post. get over yourself and stop telling me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

    you're an idiot. That's a fact.

    hey, arc IS a song. it's as much a song as red dot and stupid mop.
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  • over bends
    over bends Posts: 1,568
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    I don't have the "RIGHT to hold that it is not a song" HAAAAA Thank you for letting me know how to think.

    It's not a song. that is my opinion, take it or leave it. It isn't narrow-minded. I've given it thought. Perhaps you're so unreasonable that you can't even consider that I gave thought to my post. get over yourself and stop telling me what I'm allowed to have an opinion on.

    you're an idiot. That's a fact.

    No it's not your opinion. It's not an opinion based belief. Whether something is a song or not is not an opinion. You stating "it's not a song" cannot be an opinion. It's wrong. And thus you have no right to call it such. That's as flat out as I can say. Your "opinion" is wrong.

    You trying to say that the song is not one shows you have a limited understanding about music.
    You trying to provide a euphemism for your wrong statement as an opinion shows you have a limited understanding about words.

    Way to go!
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  • IAmMyself
    IAmMyself Posts: 671
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    jesus christ people, back off.

    just because a "song" has meaning for someone, doesn't mean everyone else has to like it. I also don't like Arc and don't think it's a song. I can't stand listening to it, but I respect the meaning it might have for Ed (or whoever), although I'm not going to fall all over it. I hear people talk about how Come Back has so much meaning for them...I simply cannot stand that song. I personally love Footsteps and it has meaning to me, but I am not going to bitch someone out for "not understanding the meaning" or throw them overboard because they disagree.

    I think the original poster has the right to post that he thinks it sucks JUST as much as you people have to give your opinions against it. But don't go making him look like a bad guy or insensitive because he doesn't know why the non-song was written or what.

    sometimes people can be so mean. maybe he just didn't know.

    Read again dear, The original poster didn't just say they didn't like the song, if that was all they said, oh well big deal-I'm on with my day. What the original poster said was: the song is garbage, trash-isn't even a song!!!
    That is over the top and this is not the right place, all I said was go somewhere else, you asshole. And I'm sticking to it!
    And YES, I know people say things to get your panties in a bunch, but my panties are just fine. I just like to stick up for what I believe in! As I said before I don't even care that pulaski didn't even know the meaning of the song. It just seems extrememly disrespectful to come onto the PJ message board and start calling songs TRASH, I have to correct that person and let them know where they are.
    What I really don't understand, is when "you" don't like the song, why is it not even a song at that point-JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT? Who the hell are you, to get to decide if it IS a song or not. I can't even imagine thinking that highly of myself?
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  • HuntingtonBeachNick
    HuntingtonBeachNick Posts: 80
    it is the most amazing song live. Saw and heard it in San Diego in 02 and the track on Riot Act is crap compared to the live version.
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  • IAmMyself
    IAmMyself Posts: 671
    blueeyedevil wrote:
    Just throwing this out to those people who feel that a negative opinion towards "Arc" is such an insult:

    In the wake of 9/11, there were MANY, MANY, MANY songs that dealt directly with the attack. Honestly, 95% or more of them were terrible. Just because one respects the emotional input a writer has for their topic, doesn't mean they are obligated to like the song itself. There is nothing "negative" about not enjoying a song. It's a matter of taste, and to each his own.

    EXAMPLE: That Alan Jackson song (I'm not sure of the title) where he asks "Where were you when the world stopped turning?"........ I think the guy put an honest and emotional effort in creaitng a tribute to those that passed away. The track was a huge hit, and I'm sure many people found it moving. Yet, I think the song is shit. Am I insensitive towards 9/11? Nope. Just think the song itself sucks.

    Now, is "Arc" a song? Of course. Saying that an instrumental, or a chant makes it less of a song does show some limited appreciation of music. Music without lyrics is a pretty old concept, ya' know?

    I'm not going to go onto Mr. Alan Jackson's fanclub website and start telling anyone who will listen that the song is shit. Why is this so hard to understand?
    "Please help me to help you, help yourself." EV
  • TheDudeisaPJfan
    TheDudeisaPJfan Posts: 124
    pulaski wrote:
    why is everyone so crazy about this song? its garbage, trash, its not even a song. why does everyone make a big deal about it?

    i dont get it


    It's called music dude...next time you buy something for yourself, get a clue to go along with it

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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    over_bends wrote:
    No it's not your opinion. It's not an opinion based belief. Whether something is a song or not is not an opinion. You stating "it's not a song" cannot be an opinion. It's wrong. And thus you have no right to call it such. That's as flat out as I can say. Your "opinion" is wrong.

    You trying to say that the song is not one shows you have a limited understanding about music.
    You trying to provide a euphemism for your wrong statement as an opinion shows you have a limited understanding about words.

    Way to go!

    Congrats to me...I've succeed in pissing you off...BIG F'ING DEAL! you're opinion of me shows that you're an asshole whose goal is to put others down. Go you...you should be proud of yourself.

    By definition, Arc is a song...but I believe a song is more than just noise. To me, Arc is noise...as is Wolf (ITW) and i don't consider them "songs." I also don't consider Rap "music" and tons of people do.

    I never claimed to have an intimate understanding about music, by the way.
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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    irieinindy wrote:
    Read again dear, The original poster didn't just say they didn't like the song, if that was all they said, oh well big deal-I'm on with my day. What the original poster said was: the song is garbage, trash-isn't even a song!!!
    That is over the top and this is not the right place, all I said was go somewhere else, you asshole. And I'm sticking to it!
    And YES, I know people say things to get your panties in a bunch, but my panties are just fine. I just like to stick up for what I believe in! As I said before I don't even care that pulaski didn't even know the meaning of the song. It just seems extrememly disrespectful to come onto the PJ message board and start calling songs TRASH, I have to correct that person and let them know where they are.
    What I really don't understand, is when "you" don't like the song, why is it not even a song at that point-JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT? Who the hell are you, to get to decide if it IS a song or not. I can't even imagine thinking that highly of myself?

    If he thinks it's trash, let him think that...i don't think it's disrespectful--he's not saying anything about the families of and those who died at Rothsklide.

    see my last post about songs. Thinking highly of myself has nothing to do with my opinion of crappy music with annoying noise. that's not my idea of a song.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    i KNEW i wasn't the only one who doesn't like Comeback :-)

    Make it three of us. Maybe it's the South Jersey roots we all have in common. ;)
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  • pearljgirl2010
    pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    Solat13 wrote:
    Make it three of us. Maybe it's the South Jersey roots we all have in common. ;)

    lol...it's true.
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  • share
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    this thread is hilarious.
    In a sad sort of way.
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  • sennin
    sennin Posts: 2,146
    pulaski wrote:
    why is everyone so crazy about this song? its garbage, trash, its not even a song. why does everyone make a big deal about it?

    i dont get it

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  • Brez
    Brez Posts: 570
    pulaski wrote:
    why is everyone so crazy about this song? its garbage, trash, its not even a song. why does everyone make a big deal about it?

    i dont get it

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  • IAmMyself
    IAmMyself Posts: 671
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    If he thinks it's trash, let him think that...i don't think it's disrespectful--he's not saying anything about the families of and those who died at Rothsklide.

    see my last post about songs. Thinking highly of myself has nothing to do with my opinion of crappy music with annoying noise. that's not my idea of a song.


    I guess that is the main reason why we disagree. I do find it disrespectful, not to the families. I don't think any of this has anything to do with the families.
    Don't you think by calling PJ music crap on a PJ message board is just a tad disrespectful? There are so many other ways to get your opinion across.
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    washedinblack91 wrote:
    hey, arc IS a song. it's as much a song as red dot and stupid mop.
    It really isnt.

    Those other songs have structure and instruments

    arc is all hym and hum

    stupidmop is striclty taped production
    red dot is an instrumenta.

    Why the fuck do you people arguE shit that is not right, its such a waste of time. Its not that I am smart or any kind aof a musiican, its that people like you try to enlighten us to your level of thinking, like you know something we dont.

    ARC IS A HYM, LIKE SOMETHING A CHOIR WOULD DO.
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