Increasing immigrant populations = DECREASE in violent crime
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Just stumbled across two interesting articles about immigrants and crime:
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
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I feel the Arizona issue is more about jobs. They're really not interested in decreasing crime at all.0
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marcos wrote:I feel the Arizona issue is more about jobs. They're really not interested in decreasing crime at all.
Yeah AZ is full of innocent folks who just want jobs.... they have no other motives....
How about AZ and Martin Luther King??
A song Public Enemy recorded about AZ (i've never actually heard the song- just came across it) - i think it's related to jobs.... :?
I'm countin' down to the day deservin'
Fittin' for a king
I'm waitin' for the time when I can
Get to Arizona
'Cause my money's spent on
The goddamn rent
Neither party is mine not the
Jackass or the elephant
20.000 nig niggy nigas in the corner
Of the cell block but they come
From California
Population none in the desert and sun
Wit' a gun cracker
Runnin' things under his thumb
Starin' hard at the postcards
Isn't it odd and unique?
Seein' people smile wild in the heat
120 degree
'Cause I wanna be free
What's a smilin' fact
When the whole state's racist
Why want a holiday F--k it 'cause I wanna
So what if I celebrate it standin' on a corner
I ain't drinkin' no 40
I B thinkin' time wit' a nine
Until we get some land
Call me the trigger man
Looki lookin' for the governor
Huh he ain't lovin' ya
But here to trouble ya
He's rubbin' ya wrong
Get the point come along
An he can get to the joint
I urinated on the state
While I was kickin' this song
Yeah, he appear to be fair
The cracker over there
He try to keep it yesteryear
The good ol' days
The same ol' ways
That kept us dyin'
Yes, you me myself and I'ndeed
What he need is a nosebleed
Read between the lines
Then you see the lie
Politically planned
But understand that's all she wrote
When we see the real side
That hide behind the vote
They can't understand why he the man
I'm singin' 'bout a king
They don't like it
When I decide to mike it
Wait I'm waitin' for the date
For the man who demands respect
'Cause he was great c'mon
I'm on the one mission
To get a politician
To honor or he's a gonner
By the time I get to Arizona
I got 25 days to do it
If a wall in the sky
Just watch me go thru it
'Cause I gotta do what I gotta do
PE number one
Gets the job done
When it's done and over
Was because I drove'er
Thru all the static
Not stick but automatic
That's the way it is
He gotta get his
Talin' MLK
Gonna find a way
Make the state pay
Lookin' for the day
Hard as it seems
This ain't no damn dream
Gotta know what I mean
It's team against team
Catch the light beam
So I pray
I pray everyday
I do and praise jah the maker
Lookin' for culture
I got but not here
From jah maker
Pushin' and shakin' the structure
Bringin' down the babylon
Hearin' the sucker
That make it hard for the brown
The hard Boulova
I need now
More than ever now
Who's sittin' on my freedah'
Opressor people beater
Piece of the pick
We picked a piece
Of land that we deservin' now
Reparation a piece of the nation
And damn he got the nerve
Another niga they say and classify
We want too much
My peep plus the whole nine is mine
Don't think I even double dutch
Here's a brother my attitude hit 'em
Hang 'em high
Blowin' up the 90s started tickin' 86
When the blind get a mind
Better start and earn while we sing it
Now
There will be the day we know those down and who will go0 -
You really should listen to more Public Enemy.tonifig8 wrote:marcos wrote:I feel the Arizona issue is more about jobs. They're really not interested in decreasing crime at all.
Yeah AZ is full of innocent folks who just want jobs.... they have no other motives....
How about AZ and Martin Luther King??
A song Public Enemy recorded about AZ (i've never actually heard the song- just came across it) - i think it's related to jobs.... :?
I'm countin' down to the day deservin'
Fittin' for a king
I'm waitin' for the time when I can
Get to Arizona
'Cause my money's spent on
The goddamn rent
Neither party is mine not the
Jackass or the elephant
20.000 nig niggy nigas in the corner
Of the cell block but they come
From California
Population none in the desert and sun
Wit' a gun cracker
Runnin' things under his thumb
Starin' hard at the postcards
Isn't it odd and unique?
Seein' people smile wild in the heat
120 degree
'Cause I wanna be free
What's a smilin' fact
When the whole state's racist
Why want a holiday F--k it 'cause I wanna
So what if I celebrate it standin' on a corner
I ain't drinkin' no 40
I B thinkin' time wit' a nine
Until we get some land
Call me the trigger man
Looki lookin' for the governor
Huh he ain't lovin' ya
But here to trouble ya
He's rubbin' ya wrong
Get the point come along
An he can get to the joint
I urinated on the state
While I was kickin' this song
Yeah, he appear to be fair
The cracker over there
He try to keep it yesteryear
The good ol' days
The same ol' ways
That kept us dyin'
Yes, you me myself and I'ndeed
What he need is a nosebleed
Read between the lines
Then you see the lie
Politically planned
But understand that's all she wrote
When we see the real side
That hide behind the vote
They can't understand why he the man
I'm singin' 'bout a king
They don't like it
When I decide to mike it
Wait I'm waitin' for the date
For the man who demands respect
'Cause he was great c'mon
I'm on the one mission
To get a politician
To honor or he's a gonner
By the time I get to Arizona
I got 25 days to do it
If a wall in the sky
Just watch me go thru it
'Cause I gotta do what I gotta do
PE number one
Gets the job done
When it's done and over
Was because I drove'er
Thru all the static
Not stick but automatic
That's the way it is
He gotta get his
Talin' MLK
Gonna find a way
Make the state pay
Lookin' for the day
Hard as it seems
This ain't no damn dream
Gotta know what I mean
It's team against team
Catch the light beam
So I pray
I pray everyday
I do and praise jah the maker
Lookin' for culture
I got but not here
From jah maker
Pushin' and shakin' the structure
Bringin' down the babylon
Hearin' the sucker
That make it hard for the brown
The hard Boulova
I need now
More than ever now
Who's sittin' on my freedah'
Opressor people beater
Piece of the pick
We picked a piece
Of land that we deservin' now
Reparation a piece of the nation
And damn he got the nerve
Another niga they say and classify
We want too much
My peep plus the whole nine is mine
Don't think I even double dutch
Here's a brother my attitude hit 'em
Hang 'em high
Blowin' up the 90s started tickin' 86
When the blind get a mind
Better start and earn while we sing it
Now
There will be the day we know those down and who will goThe poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08
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a friend of mine who lives i phoenix went to see a show and public enemy was the opening act and they played only one song, and it was "by the time i get to arizona" that you listed above, then they threw down their equipment and walked off the stage. my friend said it was the coolest and angriest thing he had ever seen...i can't remember the headliner, i want to say it was either anthrax or rage against the machine...i will find out this weekend when i talk to him...tonifig8 wrote:marcos wrote:I feel the Arizona issue is more about jobs. They're really not interested in decreasing crime at all.
Yeah AZ is full of innocent folks who just want jobs.... they have no other motives....
How about AZ and Martin Luther King??
A song Public Enemy recorded about AZ (i've never actually heard the song- just came across it) - i think it's related to jobs.... :?
I'm countin' down to the day deservin'
Fittin' for a king
I'm waitin' for the time when I can
Get to Arizona
'Cause my money's spent on
The goddamn rent
Neither party is mine not the
Jackass or the elephant
20.000 nig niggy nigas in the corner
Of the cell block but they come
From California
Population none in the desert and sun
Wit' a gun cracker
Runnin' things under his thumb
Starin' hard at the postcards
Isn't it odd and unique?
Seein' people smile wild in the heat
120 degree
'Cause I wanna be free
What's a smilin' fact
When the whole state's racist
Why want a holiday F--k it 'cause I wanna
So what if I celebrate it standin' on a corner
I ain't drinkin' no 40
I B thinkin' time wit' a nine
Until we get some land
Call me the trigger man
Looki lookin' for the governor
Huh he ain't lovin' ya
But here to trouble ya
He's rubbin' ya wrong
Get the point come along
An he can get to the joint
I urinated on the state
While I was kickin' this song
Yeah, he appear to be fair
The cracker over there
He try to keep it yesteryear
The good ol' days
The same ol' ways
That kept us dyin'
Yes, you me myself and I'ndeed
What he need is a nosebleed
Read between the lines
Then you see the lie
Politically planned
But understand that's all she wrote
When we see the real side
That hide behind the vote
They can't understand why he the man
I'm singin' 'bout a king
They don't like it
When I decide to mike it
Wait I'm waitin' for the date
For the man who demands respect
'Cause he was great c'mon
I'm on the one mission
To get a politician
To honor or he's a gonner
By the time I get to Arizona
I got 25 days to do it
If a wall in the sky
Just watch me go thru it
'Cause I gotta do what I gotta do
PE number one
Gets the job done
When it's done and over
Was because I drove'er
Thru all the static
Not stick but automatic
That's the way it is
He gotta get his
Talin' MLK
Gonna find a way
Make the state pay
Lookin' for the day
Hard as it seems
This ain't no damn dream
Gotta know what I mean
It's team against team
Catch the light beam
So I pray
I pray everyday
I do and praise jah the maker
Lookin' for culture
I got but not here
From jah maker
Pushin' and shakin' the structure
Bringin' down the babylon
Hearin' the sucker
That make it hard for the brown
The hard Boulova
I need now
More than ever now
Who's sittin' on my freedah'
Opressor people beater
Piece of the pick
We picked a piece
Of land that we deservin' now
Reparation a piece of the nation
And damn he got the nerve
Another niga they say and classify
We want too much
My peep plus the whole nine is mine
Don't think I even double dutch
Here's a brother my attitude hit 'em
Hang 'em high
Blowin' up the 90s started tickin' 86
When the blind get a mind
Better start and earn while we sing it
Now
There will be the day we know those down and who will go"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
scb wrote:Just stumbled across two interesting articles about immigrants and crime:
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
That makes sense. If I came to this country to make a better life for myself and my family (illegally), you'd better believe I would try and stay out of trouble and under the radar.
I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If this country can't figure out how to make legal immigration easier in the next few years, the rest of us should UNDOCUMENT ourselves-- work off the books, and throw out our social security numbers all together.
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VINNY GOOMBA wrote:I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If this country can't figure out how to make legal immigration easier in the next few years, the rest of us should UNDOCUMENT ourselves-- work off the books, and throw out our social security numbers all together.
LMAO
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?0 -
it's pretty obvious state officials are wagging the dog here ... the economy sucks so - let's blame it on the easy targets ... a group that would fit into the prejudices of the local population ...0
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Cue South Park: "They're taking our joooobs"marcos wrote:I feel the Arizona issue is more about jobs. They're really not interested in decreasing crime at all.
Peace
Dan"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
next time any PJ fans are in Philly and want a cheese steak, don't go to Geno's. The owner, Joe Vento, held a rally last night in Philly with the local station that plays idiots like Limbaugh, to raise money to support the Arizona law. He's the guy that has a sign at his store window that says "Speak English Only". The cheese steaks are not that good to begin with and why is he so worried about things going on in Arizona when Philly has too numerous problems to list. Now I get that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but he just seems like a guy that is against foriegn people in general and now does not seem the time to promote division.0
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Yes, stop paying taxes and apply for food stamps and medicaid, I'm with ya! Seriously, though, this social security thing is absolute bullshit. I think Bush handled this whole "build the wall" thing all wrong too. He should have just paid a bunch of illegal immigrants half of minimum wage to build it and it would have been up from Texas to California in a matter of months!arq wrote:VINNY GOOMBA wrote:I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If this country can't figure out how to make legal immigration easier in the next few years, the rest of us should UNDOCUMENT ourselves-- work off the books, and throw out our social security numbers all together.
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scb wrote:Just stumbled across two interesting articles about immigrants and crime:
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
Guess what? Crime can't decrease with an influx of illegal immigrants, because each one is committing a crime 24/7. hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:scb wrote:Just stumbled across two interesting articles about immigrants and crime:
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
Guess what? Crime can't decrease with an influx of illegal immigrants, because each one is committing a crime 24/7.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbup:
Godfather.0 -
cincybearcat wrote:Guess what? Crime can't decrease with an influx of illegal immigrants, because each one is committing a crime 24/7.
uhhhh ... the title says VIOLENT crime ... thanks for coming out tho ... 0 -
polaris_x wrote:cincybearcat wrote:Guess what? Crime can't decrease with an influx of illegal immigrants, because each one is committing a crime 24/7.
uhhhh ... the title says VIOLENT crime ... thanks for coming out tho ...
Hahaha....solid point.
I still can't support someone breaking a law just because they haven't killed anyone though. hippiemom = goodness0 -
Thanks for the information...I Love This GUY! He stands up for what he believes....I don't think he has anything against foreigners he just wants them to acclimate to America.....and he believes in the rule of lawmarcos wrote:next time any PJ fans are in Philly and want a cheese steak, don't go to Geno's. The owner, Joe Vento, held a rally last night in Philly with the local station that plays idiots like Limbaugh, to raise money to support the Arizona law. He's the guy that has a sign at his store window that says "Speak English Only". The cheese steaks are not that good to begin with and why is he so worried about things going on in Arizona when Philly has too numerous problems to list. Now I get that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but he just seems like a guy that is against foriegn people in general and now does not seem the time to promote division.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
VINNY GOOMBA wrote:scb wrote:Just stumbled across two interesting articles about immigrants and crime:
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
That makes sense. If I came to this country to make a better life for myself and my family (illegally), you'd better believe I would try and stay out of trouble and under the radar.
I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If this country can't figure out how to make legal immigration easier in the next few years, the rest of us should UNDOCUMENT ourselves-- work off the books, and throw out our social security numbers all together.
UNdocument ourselves?? I've never heard that one before. Awesome!0 -
scb wrote:VINNY GOOMBA wrote:scb wrote:Just stumbled across two interesting articles about immigrants and crime:
Immigrants and Crime: Perception vs. Reality
Headless bodies and other immigration tall tales in Arizona
Apparently, crime decreases with an influx of immigrants (legal & illegal). Also, U.S.-born men are WAY MORE likely to commit crime than foreign-born men in the U.S.
Furthermore, looks like all those AZ politicians are basically full of fear-mongering shit with their stories of their state being under siege by undocumented immigrants. No wonder all my friends in AZ didn't know what the hell they (the politicians) were talking about.
That makes sense. If I came to this country to make a better life for myself and my family (illegally), you'd better believe I would try and stay out of trouble and under the radar.
I say, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If this country can't figure out how to make legal immigration easier in the next few years, the rest of us should UNDOCUMENT ourselves-- work off the books, and throw out our social security numbers all together.
UNdocument ourselves?? I've never heard that one before. Awesome!
I just made it up! It's funny, but I am kind of serious. Feel free to use it wherever... ya never know how far the idea can spread 0 -
His only beefmarcos wrote:next time any PJ fans are in Philly and want a cheese steak, don't go to Geno's. The owner, Joe Vento, held a rally last night in Philly with the local station that plays idiots like Limbaugh, to raise money to support the Arizona law. He's the guy that has a sign at his store window that says "Speak English Only". The cheese steaks are not that good to begin with and why is he so worried about things going on in Arizona when Philly has too numerous problems to list. Now I get that everyone is entitled to their own opinion but he just seems like a guy that is against foriegn people in general and now does not seem the time to promote division.
should be in the sandwiches. 8-)
Sad attempt, I know. lol
but its better than "RA RA he's upholding the law! :clap:"live pearl jam is best pearl jam0
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