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gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
edited July 2010 in The Porch
A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded. I know it goes against the grain here, but I agree, that is one song from the early days I wish they'd left alone. It definitely would have sounded out of place in the newer remixed version on the Singles soundtrack. You can't improve upon perfection.
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  • StraitlineStraitline Posts: 77
    I like them both.....but if I HAD to choose....the original is better.
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  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    I prefer the original.

    I willingly listen to either version, but the original is better in my opinion.
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  • Come Back in BlackCome Back in Black Posts: 659
    Of course the original is better. The original is the official studio version. The SOLAT on the Ten reissue isn't a remixed version. Read the liner notes. It's an early demo. I like it for what it is. The drums have a distinct "garage" sound to them.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Come Back in Black wrote:
    Of course the original is better. The original is the official studio version. The SOLAT on the Ten reissue isn't a remixed version. Read the liner notes. It's an early demo. I like it for what it is. The drums have a distinct "garage" sound to them.

    Yeah but the vocals have a distinct "echoey over-engineered ass" sound to them, IMO.
  • JoJo Posts: 2,098
    Come Back in Black wrote:
    Of course the original is better. The original is the official studio version. The SOLAT on the Ten reissue isn't a remixed version. Read the liner notes. It's an early demo. I like it for what it is. The drums have a distinct "garage" sound to them.

    This is the version we love, and I think PJ do thier best to replicate it live. Awesome, awesome live :D
  • False_BeliefFalse_Belief Cardiff Posts: 763
    I was listening to the latest All That's Sacred podcast last night and there was a rough version of SOLAT on there that I'm pretty sure isn't the Ten reissue version (although I could be wrong - i was pretty tired and wasn't paying full attention). I'd be interested to know the origin of this version - anyone know?

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  • unlost dogsunlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    Jo wrote:
    Come Back in Black wrote:
    Of course the original is better. The original is the official studio version. The SOLAT on the Ten reissue isn't a remixed version. Read the liner notes. It's an early demo. I like it for what it is. The drums have a distinct "garage" sound to them.

    This is the version we love, and I think PJ do thier best to replicate it live. Awesome, awesome live :D

    +1, the Ten reissue is by far my favorite studio version.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    The version with Dave is best. Tons of energy, lots of energy, a comfortable speed,and lots of dynamic and nuance on the drums.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8GCVYa3_pE


    The Redux version sounds like a practice session which just draaaags, and has boring drums.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q387_rZISs

    Redux version sounds too simple, like this:
    monkey_cymbal.gif
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  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    CJMST3K wrote:
    The version with Dave is best. Tons of energy, lots of energy, a comfortable speed,and lots of dynamic and nuance on the drums.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8GCVYa3_pE


    The Redux version sounds like a practice session which just draaaags, and has boring drums.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q387_rZISs

    Redux version sounds too simple, like this:
    monkey_cymbal.gif

    I agree there, but I was actually referring to the different studio versions.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    gabers wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    The version with Dave is best. Tons of energy, lots of energy, a comfortable speed,and lots of dynamic and nuance on the drums.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8GCVYa3_pE


    The Redux version sounds like a practice session which just draaaags, and has boring drums.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q387_rZISs

    Redux version sounds too simple, like this:
    monkey_cymbal.gif


    I agree there, but I was actually referring to the different studio versions.


    Gotcha! ...my comments are identical for the studio version too. :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q1XZJMdRi4


    ...though less echo and such would be nice. :)
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,319
    I was under the impression that the singles version was the de facto superior version. It's quintessential punk-rocking Pearl Jam: fast and awesome. The Ten Redux version is called a demo, and is just meant to be a different version, right?
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  • Come Back in BlackCome Back in Black Posts: 659
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    I was under the impression that the singles version was the de facto superior version. It's quintessential punk-rocking Pearl Jam: fast and awesome. The Ten Redux version is called a demo, and is just meant to be a different version, right?

    That is my understanding. They threw in a demo version as a bonus. Not really something to complain about as if this is the "new" and/or "better" version.
  • Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    gabers wrote:
    A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded.

    Are you talking about the Ten Redux version or the Rearviewmirror version? Both are vintage mixes (not remixes) and neither are as good as the Singles Soundtrack mix.
  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded.

    Are you talking about the Ten Redux version or the Rearviewmirror version? Both are vintage mixes (not remixes) and neither are as good as the Singles Soundtrack mix.

    Agreed, Singles mix is the best.
  • ForceofNature101ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,284
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded.

    Are you talking about the Ten Redux version or the Rearviewmirror version? Both are vintage mixes (not remixes) and neither are as good as the Singles Soundtrack mix.
    I thought that the Singles version and the Rearviewmirror version were the same version of SOLAT?
  • Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    ForceofNature101 wrote:
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded.

    Are you talking about the Ten Redux version or the Rearviewmirror version? Both are vintage mixes (not remixes) and neither are as good as the Singles Soundtrack mix.
    I thought that the Singles version and the Rearviewmirror version were the same version of SOLAT?

    Same version, different (and inferior) mix.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded.

    Are you talking about the Ten Redux version or the Rearviewmirror version? Both are vintage mixes (not remixes) and neither are as good as the Singles Soundtrack mix.

    I was referring to the original version on Singles and the version on Rearviewmirror. I guess I didn't realize the RVM version is different yet from the Ten Redux and that both were early mix versions. I was under the impression those two were a newer mix from Brendan O'Brian. Now that I've thoroughly confused everyone including myself...

    I think you all know what I was getting at though, right?
  • Evacuation RulesEvacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    gabers wrote:
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    gabers wrote:
    A friend and fellow PJ megafan commented how bad he thought the remixed version of State of Love and Trust sounded.

    Are you talking about the Ten Redux version or the Rearviewmirror version? Both are vintage mixes (not remixes) and neither are as good as the Singles Soundtrack mix.

    I was referring to the original version on Singles and the version on Rearviewmirror. I guess I didn't realize the RVM version is different yet from the Ten Redux and that both were early mix versions. I was under the impression those two were a newer mix from Brendan O'Brian. Now that I've thoroughly confused everyone including myself...

    I think you all know what I was getting at though, right?

    The RVM mix is the mix used in the original film. I can't imagine why they used it, considering that it is swamped in reverb, and they just spent all that time remixing the Ten songs to remove reverb! Strange. Maybe they wanted to give us something different and didn't feel like remixing it.
  • ForceofNature101ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,284
    Ill have to look into the Singles soundtrack so I can listen to the "best" mix of SOLAT.

    I love the song too much lol
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