Retire at age 70?
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inmytree wrote:This thread is funny...it's amazing to me how many will argue against their own interest...
I guess lots of folks want to work until they are 70...
Personally, I think they should lower the retirement age to 60...
in unions and larger companies as most of you probably know retirement is based on credits or years of service
so if you don't work you don't get a retirement check,SS seems to make the rules up as they go along.
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Godfather. wrote:I'm 50 and have been paying into SS since I was 16 and paper rout before that, I have paid my fair share into SS like everybody else...well most everybody else :roll: ,then the government wants to change the rules and make me work another 5+ years and then spend my money on bullshit like these illegal immigrants that want drivers lic. welfare etc...and some people wonder why so many other people are pissed off over crap like this retirement age deal and the way our money is spent. :x :x
Godfather.
haha. It's the Mexicans fault!0 -
Smellyman wrote:Godfather. wrote:I'm 50 and have been paying into SS since I was 16 and paper rout before that, I have paid my fair share into SS like everybody else...well most everybody else :roll: ,then the government wants to change the rules and make me work another 5+ years and then spend my money on bullshit like these illegal immigrants that want drivers lic. welfare etc...and some people wonder why so many other people are pissed off over crap like this retirement age deal and the way our money is spent. :x :x
Godfather.
haha. It's the Mexicans fault!
actually I wonder where NObama keeps getting the money to spend since he's bullshitted his way into office.
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To take a more abstract view on this whole subject, let's consider how the elderly have been treated over the centuries in different civilizations.
The most basic and primitive tribes treated their elderly with respect and valued their wisdom. The tribe took care of their elderly, provided food and water and shelter, and the elderly had the most decision-making power for the tribes. Once you couldn't hunt any longer/take care of children/cook/etc... you were taken care of by the younger tribesmen and women.
Today, our elderly are working into their 60s/70s and sometimes longer, they are neglected, they are put into old person asylums and never visited, and they rot away in a bed with noone who cares for them except a nurse tech who changes their bed pan and feeds them a meal.
This disgusting situation is obviously regressive. We have lost our way as a society if we can put chunks of metal into space every day but forget to take care of our elderly and provide for them as a "tribe."Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
he still stands wrote:To take a more abstract view on this whole subject, let's consider how the elderly have been treated over the centuries in different civilizations.
The most basic and primitive tribes treated their elderly with respect and valued their wisdom. The tribe took care of their elderly, provided food and water and shelter, and the elderly had the most decision-making power for the tribes. Once you couldn't hunt any longer/take care of children/cook/etc... you were taken care of by the younger tribesmen and women.
Today, our elderly are working into their 60s/70s and sometimes longer, they are neglected, they are put into old person asylums and never visited, and they rot away in a bed with noone who cares for them except a nurse tech who changes their bed pan and feeds them a meal.
This disgusting situation is obviously regressive. We have lost our way as a society if we can put chunks of metal into space every day but forget to take care of our elderly and provide for them as a "tribe."
so if the retirement age goes to 70, where do you cut people off from the age 65 eligibility? i'm 35 and i am planning on working another 26-30 years. if someone told me i would have to wait til 70 for medicare and SS i would be extremely pissed because i have been paying in since age 16. do we say people born after 1990 have to wait until 70? do we make it later than that or sooner than that? those born in 1990 are 20 now and may have been paying intot he system for 3-4 years. it would not be fair to them to make them work longer for the same benefits the rest of us are entitled to.
it is a convenient argument to state that "people should be saving more"....as if people choose not to save money for retirement...has anyone noticed that cost of living is going up and that wages for those of us lucky enough to have a job are stagnant yet again? home values are down and people have more debt now. people in their 50s, 60s and 70s used to be guaranteed pensions, now the younger workers are forced into 401ks, 403 bs, whatever, and are losing their ass without employer matching and most saving accounts yield only 2-4% interest, so any money that is actually saved accrues at a VERY slow pace. our seniors have been taken advantage of, reverse mortgages, etc..if you work your whole life and pay into social security it should be of paramount importance to get out of it what you have paid into it."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Well, you could stop underfunding SS instead, and start paying more into it to keep it going as before. But that would probably piss off people that think people should pay into their own private plans rather than have a public alternative...
Peace
Dan"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
OutOfBreath wrote:Well, you could stop underfunding SS instead, and start paying more into it to keep it going as before. But that would probably piss off people that think people should pay into their own private plans rather than have a public alternative...
Peace
Dan"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487I'd rather have a private plan, although the feds would find a way to get their hands on that too. Take what I have contributed and give me my own 401k. I don't expect SS to be there when I get to that age, which will be 87 by the time I'm eligible.
You need to set up your own accounts and not depend on the government to help. Because if you do rely upon them you may be working forever.0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:OutOfBreath wrote:Well, you could stop underfunding SS instead, and start paying more into it to keep it going as before. But that would probably piss off people that think people should pay into their own private plans rather than have a public alternative...
Peace
Dan
Peace
Dan"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
unsung wrote:I'd rather have a private plan, although the feds would find a way to get their hands on that too. Take what I have contributed and give me my own 401k. I don't expect SS to be there when I get to that age, which will be 87 by the time I'm eligible.
You need to set up your own accounts and not depend on the government to help. Because if you do rely upon them you may be working forever.
Peace
Dan"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 19650 -
suck my nuts.
retire @ 70?
that is a complete joke.
work till the day you die.
that's what they want, that's what is happening, that's what we have done to ourselves.
i'd rather be dirt poor than bust my nuts for the man my entire life.
thank god i am the #1 author in the universe.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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btw,
about the death penalty thread.
i will be glad to pull the lever or fire the bullet well up into my 70's.
there would be no need in retiring from that gig anytime soon.
i can't use the needle though i am no Dr.
fuckers.......for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
chadwick wrote:btw,
about the death penalty thread.
i will be glad to pull the lever or fire the bullet well up into my 70's.
there would be no need in retiring from that gig anytime soon.
i can't use the needle though i am no Dr.
fuckers......."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
OutOfBreath wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:OutOfBreath wrote:Well, you could stop underfunding SS instead, and start paying more into it to keep it going as before. But that would probably piss off people that think people should pay into their own private plans rather than have a public alternative...
Peace
Dan
Peace
Dan"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
OutOfBreath wrote:unsung wrote:I'd rather have a private plan, although the feds would find a way to get their hands on that too. Take what I have contributed and give me my own 401k. I don't expect SS to be there when I get to that age, which will be 87 by the time I'm eligible.
You need to set up your own accounts and not depend on the government to help. Because if you do rely upon them you may be working forever.
Peace
Dan"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:chadwick wrote:btw,
about the death penalty thread.
i will be glad to pull the lever or fire the bullet well up into my 70's.
there would be no need in retiring from that gig anytime soon.
i can't use the needle though i am no Dr.
fuckers.......
it is true though.
when i am a senior citizen i would enjoy pulling the lever for the roasting.
again, why retire from such a rewarding gig?for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
chadwick wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:chadwick wrote:btw,
about the death penalty thread.
i will be glad to pull the lever or fire the bullet well up into my 70's.
there would be no need in retiring from that gig anytime soon.
i can't use the needle though i am no Dr.
fuckers.......
it is true though.
when i am a senior citizen i would enjoy pulling the lever for the roasting.
again, why retire from such a rewarding gig?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:i don't appreciate it. now please go back to your mockery of a thread and stop making a mockery of this one.for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce0 -
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