You're saying kids shouldn't be exposed to all kinds of things that go on at concerts (eg. drugs, booze, violence, etc) as it could turn them into little scumbags and thugs. Will you stop smoking dope and drinking when you have kids? Will they not watch TV, movies, news where violence is rife? Will you not let them go to school before a certain age so they are not exposed to all kinds of bad things?
You mention a good night's sleep. It's not like people take their kids to gigs every night. A late night every once in a while doesn't hurt. As a kid, haven't your parents had parties at home that went on late? Maybe you should have been in bed, but as a kid, you're not really sleeping, are you? Have you never had a late night?
If a kid enjoys a gig (and not just saying yes to the parents), fair enough - at whatever age, as long as they are safe.
Though you tried to 'rephrase' things, I believe that your main problem is that it annoys you and you 'can't let your hair down' (smoke dope?). Not sure whether you worry about them - that's the parents' responsibility. They're just in your way.
Let me explain it to you like this.
I am an engineer and was on a contract recently where I saw an unsafe situation that had nothing to do with me but I approached the people responsible and told them my feelings, they in turn told me to get lost as it had nothing to do with me. I could not let it go as it was a disaster waiting to happen so I went to the very top and they agreed with me and rectified the situation, needless to say I was not very popular but nobody got hurt, a while later one of the people who had ridiculed me started making comments again to which I replied that just maybe I had saved somebodies life but we would never know. The world is littered with instances of accidents that could have been avoided, problem is when people who have an eye for these things speak up they get ignored until it is too late. Concord, space shuttle, BP, etc
You're saying kids shouldn't be exposed to all kinds of things that go on at concerts (eg. drugs, booze, violence, etc) as it could turn them into little scumbags and thugs. Will you stop smoking dope and drinking when you have kids? Will they not watch TV, movies, news where violence is rife? Will you not let them go to school before a certain age so they are not exposed to all kinds of bad things?
You mention a good night's sleep. It's not like people take their kids to gigs every night. A late night every once in a while doesn't hurt. As a kid, haven't your parents had parties at home that went on late? Maybe you should have been in bed, but as a kid, you're not really sleeping, are you? Have you never had a late night?
If a kid enjoys a gig (and not just saying yes to the parents), fair enough - at whatever age, as long as they are safe.
Though you tried to 'rephrase' things, I believe that your main problem is that it annoys you and you 'can't let your hair down' (smoke dope?). Not sure whether you worry about them - that's the parents' responsibility. They're just in your way.
Let me explain it to you like this.
I am an engineer and was on a contract recently where I saw an unsafe situation that had nothing to do with me but I approached the people responsible and told them my feelings, they in turn told me to get lost as it had nothing to do with me. I could not let it go as it was a disaster waiting to happen so I went to the very top and they agreed with me and rectified the situation, needless to say I was not very popular but nobody got hurt, a while later one of the people who had ridiculed me started making comments again to which I replied that just maybe I had saved somebodies life but we would never know. The world is littered with instances of accidents that could have been avoided, problem is when people who have an eye for these things speak up they get ignored until it is too late. Concord, space shuttle, BP, etc
And what has this to do with responsible parents taking their kids to gigs before an age you deem suitable and all your other arguements about this?
I think what matabele has been trying to do is to raise the issue of young people at gigs as a discussion point, firstly as a personal point, (which we are all rightly entitled to - whether everyone likes that opinion is another matter) and secondly as a concern for the potential safety of children at concerts. I personally think that although matabele's stance on this is the opposite of mine in many points, the fact that he has raised the point in the first place is the very reason I am comfortable taking youngsters to Pearl Jam shows. The majority of fans at Pearl Jam shows respect each other and more importantly look out for each other. As we all now the phrase Jamily isn't just a clever pun, its because of the number of great people the band attracts.
If someone who believes that youngsters below the age of 16 should not be allowed to shows wants to raise this as a discussion rather than simmer on it, it shows a true concern about the situation. Of course the OP finds it annoying because it is not the way they would do things, but I feel matabele has been fairly reasoned in this discussion and has conceded on points rather than ignore them if they don't fit in with his ideals.
I don't think that there is an issue with responsible parents and kids at gigs, but we all have different views - Personally I don't like to see children with their ears pierced but many others do, I have the right to stop my kids till they are older but it is , as always, up to the parents to make their own decisions for their own children.
I think especially regarding the significance of todays date that we should all take any discussion regarding safety at gigs seriously, and I for one have enjoyed the discussion on this subject.
I agree with the OP in the sense that all that PJ awesomeness may ruin the children for future non-PJ concerts
I had a similar experience. When I was a small child my family traveled down to California where we spent the American Bi-Centennial sitting on the beach in Santa Monica watching the massive fireworks display. I can honestly say that I have never been able to enjoy another fireworks display to the same degree. It was pure awesomeness
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And what has this to do with responsible parents taking their kids to gigs before an age you deem suitable and all your other arguements about this?[/quote]
redrock, to be honest I do not know why I even started this thread, I haven't been to a gig since last year and I haven't seen any reports of youngsters getting hurt or anything like that. I was reading the reviews of the recent London and Dublin gigs which contained worrying references to people in trouble (jumping off balconies in Dublin and people getting hauled out in tears at Hyde Park) and for some reason I started this thread, maybe it was for someone who was worried about taking their young one to a gig, I don't know.
The comments about Pearl Jam fans looking after each other stands good for the most part but I was at the Manchester 09 show, had a fantastic time (was positioned perfectly to see the missing guitar incident and the subsequent bottles sliding across the stage episode, now that's grunge in full flow). At the end of the show these two guys started getting into it, I did not see the outcome because I was heading for the exit but it could have been very nasty.
redrock, to be honest I do not know why I even started this thread, I haven't been to a gig since last year and I haven't seen any reports of youngsters getting hurt or anything like that. I was reading the reviews of the recent London and Dublin gigs which contained worrying references to people in trouble (jumping off balconies in Dublin and people getting hauled out in tears at Hyde Park) and for some reason I started this thread, maybe it was for someone who was worried about taking their young one to a gig, I don't know.
The comments about Pearl Jam fans looking after each other stands good for the most part but I was at the Manchester 09 show, had a fantastic time (was positioned perfectly to see the missing guitar incident and the subsequent bottles sliding across the stage episode, now that's grunge in full flow). At the end of the show these two guys started getting into it, I did not see the outcome because I was heading for the exit but it could have been very nasty.
I actually really applaud the sentiment and as a parent worry about the exact same things. I stated earlier in no way would I take my kids to a GA show and if I got a hint of issues like this, I would leave immediately. Maybe it was the fact that I grew up in the New York area and was used to crowds and seeing things that were unpleasent at an early age. However I was also exposed to concerts and large crowds (ie Simon and Garfunkel in Central Park) and my fear level is low.
As the band gets older and keeps touring, the fans are having kids and want to expose them to things they love. I know this is true in my case and have always found the surrounding crowds to be amazing. The most interesting part of the concerts has been the "salty" language especially from Eddie. Every time a curse word is said, the kids and I look at each other and smile. I know they hear this language at school and in society but we have made it a game and they know they can "hear" it but not "say" it. My oldest asked me before the last show he was at if he could say "shit in the hole" if they sung Supersonic. They did and you have not seen a kid enjoy singing more than he did
I hate to even get involved in this, but can't help myself. My 13 year old has seen PJ 5x since he was 11 and EV twice. He has also seen Neil Young 3x, The Who, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney 2x, Stevie Wonder 2x, maybe a couple of others I forget. My 15 year old kids have also been to similar numbers of concerts. These experiences have given my kids an incredible appreciation for what I think is pretty awesome music. The 13 year old can play just about anything by PJ on guitar and has a much greater appreciation for the subtleties of their music than I do. Why exactly should I be denying him this experience? Maybe you're right -- they should just wait until Ed is in a wheelchair to go see him. Also, I would far rather that they experience the dedication, musicianship, and joy of seeing PJ perform than say the prefab, auto-tuned, lip-synced, overly sexualized garbage that is shoved down pre-teens and teens throats and passes as popular music today.
As for drugs, alcohol, and other misbehavior there is nothing that they are unaware of or that they wouldn't encounter at a professional sports event either. And somehow I have 100% confidence that my kids have never indulged in any of these behaviors -- in fact I think they just look at the few people who let themselves go to extreme excess and take them for idiots. We have had lots of talks about Ed's drinking and especially his smoking and I think it has provided valuable discussion about people's imperfections and how people we admire in some ways are perfectly capable of behaviors that we don't condone. Again, a good life lesson and one that you can't miss by following the behavior of politicians, athletes, various entertainers, and also religious leaders, educators, and, oh, just about any human being.
Seeing Pearl Jam has brought my wife and I closer to our children and given us all some of the most pleasurable shared experiences we have ever had as a family and memories that I know we will all cherish for the rest of our lives. I would not trade that for anything and really cannot overstate how these experiences have served to bond us together and continue to do so. Other families share different hobbies, activities, interests, this is one of the primary ones that defines who our particular family is.
I have a few legitimate concerns about kids at concerts that have been mentioned but they have virtually nothing to do with the nonsense the OP brought up. I would never let my kids go to unassigned seating. I do worry about their hearing and, quite frankly, think that I have not done enough for them in that regard. I would not feel comfortable letting them go by themselves to a PJ concert, but I don't let them do much of anything that exposes them to thousands of strangers at once without adult supervision. Seems like an individual parental decision to me, but I think that for my kids at least, they overall appreciate that we are concerned about their well-being at all times, more than they resent having some limitations put on their independence.
Lastly, I worry about their being spoiled - they have been front row at PJ 2X, something I had never experienced at any concert until my 40s. They are tremendously appreciative of these experiences, but there is something to be said for working for things on your own in life. Again, this is more a result of the fact that they are able to reap the benefits of privileges we are able to give them in all aspects of their lives that our parents could not give us when we were children. At the same time, parenting has changed from my generation compared to my parents. Parents are much more friends and companions to their children than they were then -- I selfishly would not enjoy the experience of going to a PJ concert as much if I couldn't share it with my kids, just as I want to share it with my wife. In the end, there is no textbook for being a good parent. You just do what seems right for you and your children and hope that through some combination of love and good fortune that everything will work out OK.
My 10.5 year old has seen Ed solo (thought that was perfect for a 1st show - mellow - seated, etc). And I am taking him to see Green Day in August and he is super excited! I won't take him to PJ for a few more years because I think their shows are just too long for him and I would NOT be willing to leave early Kids have every right to hear live music, if they didn't, bands and venues would put restrictions on it. Many live sporting events are worse. Idiots are everywhere. He knows that.
When my wife and I saw PJ in Thunder Bay in 2005 we witnessed a very touching father daughter moment at the show. During the first set Ed's daughter (Olivia ?) came up to the side of the stage in her pyjamas wearing ear muffs, and carrying along an Elmo doll. Once Ed noticed hear he blew her a kiss an gave her a little wave. She blew him a kiss and waved back then left the side of the stage, Elmo in tow and was off to bed.
My wife was 7 months pregnant with our son when we saw them in 2000. He's now 10 years old and absolutely loves the band. He's been asking to see a live show since 2006 and we seriously considered letting him come to the Boston show. After a lot of discussion we decided that the next time they tour in our neck of the woods we would bring him to his first show. I guess what I'm saying is as a parent when YOU think it's the right time, it's the right time.
I am wondering how young is too young? I have an 8 and a 6 year old and would love to bring them. Just wondering when. Recommendations?
I started taking my lads to Reading Festival when they were 13 and 9 respectively...we camped for the three days and they got to see everything that went on...they will be 21 and 17 this year and have decided not to come with us this year...after 8 years of attending the festival they have reached the point when they no longer want to go...during those 8 years they have witnessed drunken behaviour on a monumental scale...more weed being smoked than at a Cheech & Chong convention and more amil nitrate being sniffed than Ozzie faced with a line of ants...nothing holds any fascination for them...in fact the eldest is tee total (and no he's not just pretending he really is)...neither smoke and as far as I know neither have dabbled in drugs.
I think 6 is a bit young because of the cleanliness issues...I learned fairly early on that if you feel something wet and warm on your neck...as a bottle whizzes by...it's not warm water :?...I carry a bottle of hand sanitiser all the time at gigs because you never know who has touched what you're touching and what they were doing before they touched it...eww and EWW again! :shock:
It makes much more sense to live in the present tense
What a croc of piss!! at Hyde Park which had the most amount of cocks there, my mate had a 8 yr old on his shoulders for 6 songs and the kid was in his element, as his parents stood beside him. Obviously your no where near the stage but do have to be for a 8 yr old to enjoy it.
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As the band gets older and keeps touring, the fans are having kids and want to expose them to things they love. I know this is true in my case and have always found the surrounding crowds to be amazing. The most interesting part of the concerts has been the "salty" language especially from Eddie. Every time a curse word is said, the kids and I look at each other and smile. I know they hear this language at school and in society but we have made it a game and they know they can "hear" it but not "say" it. My oldest asked me before the last show he was at if he could say "shit in the hole" if they sung Supersonic. They did and you have not seen a kid enjoy singing more than he did
Yeah, I think that's a big reason why my eleven-year-old is so crazy about "Rats" right now.
We've had the conversation about language (and, um, Mom has cursed like a sailor on more than one occasion :oops: ), and that's generally a non-issue. My personal opinion about "f@#k" is that it has been so thoroughly used and abused in our language that it has lost whatever meaning -- and most of the shock value -- that it originally had; but that's just me, and I went ahead and 'bleeped' it for all of you, anyway.
Listening to the Philly boots, I realized I had completely forgotten about the Philly 4 exchange between Ed and Mike about KISS and their moms. :shock: That was an interesting family car ride. Likewise, Ed's remark at Newark about the back of the arena -- "I think there's two people up there f@#king -- or maybe it's three" -- well, I was just happy that my thirteen-year-old is way too squeamish right now to ask me for an elaboration on that comment.
But at the same time, my boys would be going into sixth and ninth grade in the fall (they are homeschooled) -- and I am pretty sure that, were they in school, they would not need an explanation of "or maybe it's three."
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i went to my first show when i was 15... i don't think i would want to be much younger, cause honestly i have a hard time even remembering that... but 15 was just right
its the best age to OBSESSED with a band! you want something to claim as your own, you have a lot of disposable income, and it helps you decide who you really are and what you're about
on the other hand, it could just be a nice bonding moment for the younger kids... i can remember going to TONS of movies with my dad from 4 y.o. to now... don't remember the movies but i remember spending time with the old man
GA shows might be a different story... i still get my ass kicked in certain crowds... i would NEVER bring a kid or smaller girlfriend up front at a show like that... and shame on those that do and then start throwing elbows and bitching when things get too rough
on the other hand, it could just be a nice bonding moment for the younger kids... i can remember going to TONS of movies with my dad from 4 y.o. to now... don't remember the movies but i remember spending time with the old man
I've written about it elsewhere, but it was such a great experience that it's worth repeating: Our boys' first show was Mansfield 1 in 2008; they were nine and almost-twelve. My older son has a ton of special needs, and raising him has been a real challenge. When the crowd brought "Betterman" to a screaming halt, all four of us were pounding on the seats and screaming for all we were worth; I think that is the most fun we ever have had as a family.
I would not take my kids to GA shows. My younger son is very tall for his age, but he was freaked out by the crowd crush in the walkways at the Spectrum. I think he was very worried about being squashed; I was finding it hard to breathe at times myself, so I can understand how he felt. My older boy has issues with crowds and being touched, so GA also would be a very bad idea for him.
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I don't think I would bring my daughter to a PJ show yet (she is almost 10) as much as she wants to go (and knows and loves their music), but if I didn't/wouldn't bring her to an Ed Vedd show this would have never happened:
I don't even know how to put into words what happened last night.... Basically, me and my daughter Jenna waited around in the parking lot of the venue from 3:30 till 7:30 waiting to see Eddie. Finally at 7:20 I see a security guard walking away from the door he had been guarding all day heading down the street to alternative entrances, so we follow him. Two seconds later a man pulls up in a van with Eddie's bodyguard and Ed. Jenna and I start yelling to Eddie and waving,"Hi" to him, and he definitely spotted us. Before long people begin to assemble so the guard instructs them to drive around the building to the back entrance (where we had been waiting all day). So Jenna and I sprint around the entire venue chasing after Eddie's van. By the time I get to the backdoor Eddie is almost all the way in the door. I hurry to try to take a picture, when suddenly Eddie's bodyguard sternly reprimands me!! A few seconds later, Ed's bodyguard sees me looking in the opened door and he says something like, "You over here, come here"! I hesitated a few moments, as I thought he was going to take my tickets away from me. Next thing you know, Eddie pokes his head around the corner, and upon seeing me, he says, "Him, yes him, get him in here"! So again the bodyguard motions to me to come in, and after hearing Ed, I go walking in. Then Ed says to me, "Dude where is your daughter, get your daughter man"! I thought she was right behind me, so I turn around and notice someone had closed the door. I open the door and to my relief she is standing there with this woman she had been talking with all night. I yell to her, "Jenna, hurry up, come on, Eddie wants to meet you"!
Upon walking back in, Eddie is standing there waiting for us with his bodyguard. We talk for a little while, I take two pictures of him with my daughter, then Jenna takes two pictures of the two of us, Eddie autographs my PJ shirt,and then he reaches in his pocket and says to my daughter, "Sorry honey, I don't have a guitar pic with me". He then reaches to the back of his head and removes his hair tie, and gives this to her. After talking a few more minutes, he says, "It's been great meeting you Jenna and 'pops', but I have to go to work now"! Jenna and I then exit screaming and yelling to a round of cheers from the rest of the fans outside who witnessed what had just happened!
But that was just the beginning of an amazing night. After Eddie had sang nearly a dozen songs, he began telling the story of how he had met Jenna before the show and that this was the first concert she ever attended. He went on to say, "I don't know exactly where she is out there, but I now she is somewhere". Then a guy right next to us yells out, "Jenna is up here Eddie". Then Eddie commented that what he really wanted was for her to come down to the stage so he could sing a song just for her! I led Jenna to the stage, where we were greeted by Ed's bodyguard, who led us backstage. We then watched from there as Eddie performed "Drifting", after which Eddie made the announcement that Jenna had made it to the stage. Because Jenna was so nervous, Eddie set up TWO chairs on stage (one for her and one for me). Shortly after being seated the crowd began singing "Happy Birthday" to Jenna and Eddie said, "No,No,No...I have my own song for her". When the crowd continued to finish the song, Eddie played and sang the remainder of the song. Then he proceeded to sing "Forever Young" to her!! Once he finished he handed my daughter his pic saying, " I told you I would get you a pic before the night was through"! He then I believe, asked the crowd for applause for us and he gave Jenna a hug for the road!
I just want to extend a HUGE THANK YOU to Eddie for providing my daughter (and me) with a night we will NEVER, EVER forget!!! His hospitality to us was amazing!! This is all my daughter has been talking about since it happened!!! Truely an epic night!!! Oh and by the way, to the woman with 'Petunia', my daughter is already missing the both of ya'!! Hope I wasn't to wordy!!!! Peace and Keep On Rocking In The Free World !!!!
I don't think I would bring my daughter to a PJ show yet (she is almost 10) as much as she wants to go (and knows and loves their music), but if I didn't/wouldn't bring her to an Ed Vedd show this would have never happened:
I don't even know how to put into words what happened last night.... Basically, me and my daughter Jenna waited around in the parking lot of the venue from 3:30 till 7:30 waiting to see Eddie. Finally at 7:20 I see a security guard walking away from the door he had been guarding all day heading down the street to alternative entrances, so we follow him. Two seconds later a man pulls up in a van with Eddie's bodyguard and Ed. Jenna and I start yelling to Eddie and waving,"Hi" to him, and he definitely spotted us. Before long people begin to assemble so the guard instructs them to drive around the building to the back entrance (where we had been waiting all day). So Jenna and I sprint around the entire venue chasing after Eddie's van. By the time I get to the backdoor Eddie is almost all the way in the door. I hurry to try to take a picture, when suddenly Eddie's bodyguard sternly reprimands me!! A few seconds later, Ed's bodyguard sees me looking in the opened door and he says something like, "You over here, come here"! I hesitated a few moments, as I thought he was going to take my tickets away from me. Next thing you know, Eddie pokes his head around the corner, and upon seeing me, he says, "Him, yes him, get him in here"! So again the bodyguard motions to me to come in, and after hearing Ed, I go walking in. Then Ed says to me, "Dude where is your daughter, get your daughter man"! I thought she was right behind me, so I turn around and notice someone had closed the door. I open the door and to my relief she is standing there with this woman she had been talking with all night. I yell to her, "Jenna, hurry up, come on, Eddie wants to meet you"!
Upon walking back in, Eddie is standing there waiting for us with his bodyguard. We talk for a little while, I take two pictures of him with my daughter, then Jenna takes two pictures of the two of us, Eddie autographs my PJ shirt,and then he reaches in his pocket and says to my daughter, "Sorry honey, I don't have a guitar pic with me". He then reaches to the back of his head and removes his hair tie, and gives this to her. After talking a few more minutes, he says, "It's been great meeting you Jenna and 'pops', but I have to go to work now"! Jenna and I then exit screaming and yelling to a round of cheers from the rest of the fans outside who witnessed what had just happened!
But that was just the beginning of an amazing night. After Eddie had sang nearly a dozen songs, he began telling the story of how he had met Jenna before the show and that this was the first concert she ever attended. He went on to say, "I don't know exactly where she is out there, but I now she is somewhere". Then a guy right next to us yells out, "Jenna is up here Eddie". Then Eddie commented that what he really wanted was for her to come down to the stage so he could sing a song just for her! I led Jenna to the stage, where we were greeted by Ed's bodyguard, who led us backstage. We then watched from there as Eddie performed "Drifting", after which Eddie made the announcement that Jenna had made it to the stage. Because Jenna was so nervous, Eddie set up TWO chairs on stage (one for her and one for me). Shortly after being seated the crowd began singing "Happy Birthday" to Jenna and Eddie said, "No,No,No...I have my own song for her". When the crowd continued to finish the song, Eddie played and sang the remainder of the song. Then he proceeded to sing "Forever Young" to her!! Once he finished he handed my daughter his pic saying, " I told you I would get you a pic before the night was through"! He then I believe, asked the crowd for applause for us and he gave Jenna a hug for the road!
I just want to extend a HUGE THANK YOU to Eddie for providing my daughter (and me) with a night we will NEVER, EVER forget!!! His hospitality to us was amazing!! This is all my daughter has been talking about since it happened!!! Truely an epic night!!! Oh and by the way, to the woman with 'Petunia', my daughter is already missing the both of ya'!! Hope I wasn't to wordy!!!! Peace and Keep On Rocking In The Free World !!!!
Good point, I went to Soundgarden in Seattle without my parents when I was 13 and now I've gone to college, have a decent job, and couldn't even tell you what drugs are like, I have never tried them. That concert/environment sure screwed me over. :(
If only I/my parents had known better. :(
Yeah, what were they thinking??? I take my kid with me, it's an experience I want to share with him. Frankly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm just sick of hearing this argument. If you don't want to take your kids with you, leave them at home, but the rest of us are free to do with our children as we see fit. It's a personal parenting decision for a child's parents to make. There are concerts and festivals that I would not take my child to, but a PJ concert in a safe venue is ok in my opinion.
I took my 10 (Almost 11 year old) son to his first ever concert last October in LA, it was Pearl Jam. It was alos the night Chris Cornell came out... amazing experience. To the OP, really you just sound like you want to be as hedonistic as possible without feeling guilty about it... the rest of what you have said regarding kids beating a homeless man to death etc is rubbish... one thing has nothing to do with the other.
My son has been playing guitar since he was 6 and this night was magical for him, he loved watching Mike play and it really helped inspire him. After that show he came home the next day and finally started jamming with his 8 year old brother who plays drums, he understand the bigger picture of music and collaboration from it.
As for when they are old enough, that is a choice a parent should make carefully, I would not be inclined to take my son to a festival type setting for instance over safety concerns yet. But this was a great father son experience. I will take my 8 year old to his first show the next time Pearl Jam comes through town.
Under 16's should not be allowed into these concerts for a number of very simple reasons. If you go to the candy store and eat all the candy then there is nothing left to look forward to later on, things should come at us in stages. It is definitely not an environment for a 10 or 12 year old kid to be subjected to, I know that I will get flack over this but people complain about the behaviour of young adults, is it surprising after what they will go through at a concert before they are even 16, drugs, booze etc. Frankly it pisses me off, you go to a concert to let your hair down and there is a 10 year old kid getting under your feet.What I mean by this is that if they are near me I worry about their safety, I should have made it clearer.
I know that I am month late on this post, but really??? No one under 16??? C'mon give me a brake. I have met some of the nicest people at a Pearl Jam concert and I wouldn't hesitate on taking my "under 16" year old son to see Pearl Jam next time they come around. It's not the 1950's anymore buddy.
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To the OP, really you just sound like you want to be as hedonistic as possible without feeling guilty about it... the rest of what you have said regarding kids beating a homeless man to death etc is rubbish... one thing has nothing to do with the other.
Exactly, my husband doesn't get on here, but I was telling him about a couple of these threads. He had the same opinion that you do in that people feel a bit guilty in acting like wild party animals in front of young children and this is the cause for their complaint. However, although I realize that it is fun to let your hair down from time to time, I also believe that if you feel convicted about something maybe you should rethink it and possibly abstain from it. Any person that brings their child to a show it going to be watching their own kid and ensuring their safety (no different and actually probably way more closely than they would in a shopping mall or something), so as long as you are in control of yourself than there should be nothing to worry about. It's not up to you to be in control of somebody else's kid, but it is up to you to be in control of yourself and if you are doing something that could harm somebody else (not just a kid), you probably shouldn't be doing it period. I know adults who have been hurt at concerts b/c of irresponsible and selfish concert goers. Basically, what I'm saying is, if we all act decent and remember that we are in a public venue with others around, there should be no cause for concern no matter the age of the attendee.
my eleven years old daughter was with me in Arras and it was all fun, we had a great time and I was so happy to share it with her. It was her first PJ show and she wants more ASAP.
To the OP, really you just sound like you want to be as hedonistic as possible without feeling guilty about it... the rest of what you have said regarding kids beating a homeless man to death etc is rubbish... one thing has nothing to do with the other.
Exactly, my husband doesn't get on here, but I was telling him about a couple of these threads. He had the same opinion that you do in that people feel a bit guilty in acting like wild party animals in front of young children and this is the cause for their complaint. However, although I realize that it is fun to let your hair down from time to time, I also believe that if you feel convicted about something maybe you should rethink it and possibly abstain from it. Any person that brings their child to a show it going to be watching their own kid and ensuring their safety (no different and actually probably way more closely than they would in a shopping mall or something), so as long as you are in control of yourself than there should be nothing to worry about. It's not up to you to be in control of somebody else's kid, but it is up to you to be in control of yourself and if you are doing something that could harm somebody else (not just a kid), you probably shouldn't be doing it period. I know adults who have been hurt at concerts b/c of irresponsible and selfish concert goers. Basically, what I'm saying is, if we all act decent and remember that we are in a public venue with others around, there should be no cause for concern no matter the age of the attendee.
As a parent you don't worry about what shouldn't happen, you worry about what could happen.
To the OP, really you just sound like you want to be as hedonistic as possible without feeling guilty about it... the rest of what you have said regarding kids beating a homeless man to death etc is rubbish... one thing has nothing to do with the other.
Exactly, my husband doesn't get on here, but I was telling him about a couple of these threads. He had the same opinion that you do in that people feel a bit guilty in acting like wild party animals in front of young children and this is the cause for their complaint. However, although I realize that it is fun to let your hair down from time to time, I also believe that if you feel convicted about something maybe you should rethink it and possibly abstain from it. Any person that brings their child to a show it going to be watching their own kid and ensuring their safety (no different and actually probably way more closely than they would in a shopping mall or something), so as long as you are in control of yourself than there should be nothing to worry about. It's not up to you to be in control of somebody else's kid, but it is up to you to be in control of yourself and if you are doing something that could harm somebody else (not just a kid), you probably shouldn't be doing it period. I know adults who have been hurt at concerts b/c of irresponsible and selfish concert goers. Basically, what I'm saying is, if we all act decent and remember that we are in a public venue with others around, there should be no cause for concern no matter the age of the attendee.
As a parent you don't worry about what shouldn't happen, you worry about what could happen.
Very true. However, as a person who grew up with a mother who was way too over-protective, I try to protect my child, but within reason (if that makes sense). I took him to a PJ show this past tour and we all had a blast, but I have to admit that there are certain shows and venues that I would not take him to.
The only thing I would find annoying about kids being at a PJ show (and by kids I think of like 14 and under) is that I would feel a little awkward about doing the things I normally do at a rock concert. Thankfully I have never been sitting that close to any youngsters so it hasn't ever been an issue. But like probably most people on this forum I enjoy getting a little buzzed and smoke a few joints during the show. I dont get falling down drunk or anything (dont understand those people, dont you want to be able to remember the show??) but there is nothing wrong with getting a little loose at a PJ show.
If a kid was sitting in my vicinity I would definitely try to be more discreet about the weed but I would still enjoy myself as I normaly would. The way I look at it is if a parent is bringing their kid to a rock concert they must be ok with their child witnessing some weed being smoked. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought him/her. Is that assumption incorrect??
I wouldn't ever be worried over the safety of a kid at a PJ show though I think if something ever happened along those lines you would see dozens of jammers doing everything possible to help out.
The only thing I would find annoying about kids being at a PJ show (and by kids I think of like 14 and under) is that I would feel a little awkward about doing the things I normally do at a rock concert. Thankfully I have never been sitting that close to any youngsters so it hasn't ever been an issue. But like probably most people on this forum I enjoy getting a little buzzed and smoke a few joints during the show. I dont get falling down drunk or anything (dont understand those people, dont you want to be able to remember the show??) but there is nothing wrong with getting a little loose at a PJ show.
If a kid was sitting in my vicinity I would definitely try to be more discreet about the weed but I would still enjoy myself as I normaly would. The way I look at it is if a parent is bringing their kid to a rock concert they must be ok with their child witnessing some weed being smoked. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought him/her. Is that assumption incorrect??
I wouldn't ever be worried over the safety of a kid at a PJ show though I think if something ever happened along those lines you would see dozens of jammers doing everything possible to help out.
Kids under the 14 age range most likely wouldn't recognize it as weed. I can understand a few drinks to get buzzed (although I don't get why you would feel the need to smoke weed at the concert when you could before or after, that's just my opinion). I don't get those people who get fall down drunk either, I would think paying as much as you pay, you would want to remember the show. Also, although they serve drinks at concerts, it's not a bar, so there's nothing wrong with kids being there. And yes, you are correct in your assumption that us parents know what's going to be happening when we take out kids. However, I do think if some discretion never hut anyone. I can speak for myself, not just my child, when I say that I don't want to be around annoying drunks and it really pisses me off when they have better seats than me and spend most of the concert going to get drinks and to the bathroom.
The only thing I would find annoying about kids being at a PJ show (and by kids I think of like 14 and under) is that I would feel a little awkward about doing the things I normally do at a rock concert. Thankfully I have never been sitting that close to any youngsters so it hasn't ever been an issue. But like probably most people on this forum I enjoy getting a little buzzed and smoke a few joints during the show. I dont get falling down drunk or anything (dont understand those people, dont you want to be able to remember the show??) but there is nothing wrong with getting a little loose at a PJ show.
If a kid was sitting in my vicinity I would definitely try to be more discreet about the weed but I would still enjoy myself as I normaly would. The way I look at it is if a parent is bringing their kid to a rock concert they must be ok with their child witnessing some weed being smoked. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought him/her. Is that assumption incorrect??
I wouldn't ever be worried over the safety of a kid at a PJ show though I think if something ever happened along those lines you would see dozens of jammers doing everything possible to help out.
Kids under the 14 age range most likely wouldn't recognize it as weed. I can understand a few drinks to get buzzed (although I don't get why you would feel the need to smoke weed at the concert when you could before or after, that's just my opinion). I don't get those people who get fall down drunk either, I would think paying as much as you pay, you would want to remember the show. Also, although they serve drinks at concerts, it's not a bar, so there's nothing wrong with kids being there. And yes, you are correct in your assumption that us parents know what's going to be happening when we take out kids. However, I do think if some discretion never hut anyone. I can speak for myself, not just my child, when I say that I don't want to be around annoying drunks and it really pisses me off when they have better seats than me and spend most of the concert going to get drinks and to the bathroom.
I think you would be surprised about kids under 14 recognizing the smell of pot. I know I would have recognized it when I was 11 or so. As for why the need to smoke it during the show, well you know how long PJ plays for! By the 1st encore its time to burn another. Seriously its just the way I've always enjoyed live music. Really I have no problem with kids going to a show as long as the parents are responsible and are ok with it.
The only thing I would find annoying about kids being at a PJ show (and by kids I think of like 14 and under) is that I would feel a little awkward about doing the things I normally do at a rock concert. Thankfully I have never been sitting that close to any youngsters so it hasn't ever been an issue. But like probably most people on this forum I enjoy getting a little buzzed and smoke a few joints during the show. I dont get falling down drunk or anything (dont understand those people, dont you want to be able to remember the show??) but there is nothing wrong with getting a little loose at a PJ show.
If a kid was sitting in my vicinity I would definitely try to be more discreet about the weed but I would still enjoy myself as I normaly would. The way I look at it is if a parent is bringing their kid to a rock concert they must be ok with their child witnessing some weed being smoked. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought him/her. Is that assumption incorrect??
I wouldn't ever be worried over the safety of a kid at a PJ show though I think if something ever happened along those lines you would see dozens of jammers doing everything possible to help out.
Kids under the 14 age range most likely wouldn't recognize it as weed. I can understand a few drinks to get buzzed (although I don't get why you would feel the need to smoke weed at the concert when you could before or after, that's just my opinion). I don't get those people who get fall down drunk either, I would think paying as much as you pay, you would want to remember the show. Also, although they serve drinks at concerts, it's not a bar, so there's nothing wrong with kids being there. And yes, you are correct in your assumption that us parents know what's going to be happening when we take out kids. However, I do think if some discretion never hut anyone. I can speak for myself, not just my child, when I say that I don't want to be around annoying drunks and it really pisses me off when they have better seats than me and spend most of the concert going to get drinks and to the bathroom.
I think you would be surprised about kids under 14 recognizing the smell of pot. I know I would have recognized it when I was 11 or so. As for why the need to smoke it during the show, well you know how long PJ plays for! By the 1st encore its time to burn another. Seriously its just the way I've always enjoyed live music. Really I have no problem with kids going to a show as long as the parents are responsible and are ok with it.
I think kids 12+ know what to expect nowadays. They've seen drugs and booze in games and on TV, so seeing it in person shouldn't be that big of a deal. I know it wasn't for me. Sure, I wouldn't take a kid to certain concerts, but I think PJ would be a safe bet. That and no matter what happened, it'd still be worth it. I just know what it's like to not be able to go to concerts. I had to wait until I was 16 for my concert, a 311 show only an hour away from where I live. I knew what to expect (People who know 311 know what I'm talking about) and nothing went wrong. Since then (I'm 18 going on 19), I've been to 5 other shows, most recently, my first PJ in KC on 5/3. I hated that I had to wait until then but I'm hoping with the 20th anniversary next year, I'll get the opportunity to do some more road trippin' to PJ shows.
I think kids 12+ know what to expect nowadays. They've seen drugs and booze in games and on TV, so seeing it in person shouldn't be that big of a deal. I know it wasn't for me. Sure, I wouldn't take a kid to certain concerts, but I think PJ would be a safe bet. That and no matter what happened, it'd still be worth it. I just know what it's like to not be able to go to concerts. I had to wait until I was 16 for my concert, a 311 show only an hour away from where I live. I knew what to expect (People who know 311 know what I'm talking about) and nothing went wrong. Since then (I'm 18 going on 19), I've been to 5 other shows, most recently, my first PJ in KC on 5/3. I hated that I had to wait until then but I'm hoping with the 20th anniversary next year, I'll get the opportunity to do some more road trippin' to PJ shows.
I agree, it sucks to miss out on it b/c your parents won't let you. Also, as a parent, it's hard to tell your kid no and make them stay at home when you're going. You feel like not all of you is there. I know b/c I told my son no when he begged to go see Ed solo and I've regretted it since. So, when the 2010 tour was announced, I bought three tickets. We had a blast.
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I am an engineer and was on a contract recently where I saw an unsafe situation that had nothing to do with me but I approached the people responsible and told them my feelings, they in turn told me to get lost as it had nothing to do with me. I could not let it go as it was a disaster waiting to happen so I went to the very top and they agreed with me and rectified the situation, needless to say I was not very popular but nobody got hurt, a while later one of the people who had ridiculed me started making comments again to which I replied that just maybe I had saved somebodies life but we would never know. The world is littered with instances of accidents that could have been avoided, problem is when people who have an eye for these things speak up they get ignored until it is too late. Concord, space shuttle, BP, etc
And what has this to do with responsible parents taking their kids to gigs before an age you deem suitable and all your other arguements about this?
If someone who believes that youngsters below the age of 16 should not be allowed to shows wants to raise this as a discussion rather than simmer on it, it shows a true concern about the situation. Of course the OP finds it annoying because it is not the way they would do things, but I feel matabele has been fairly reasoned in this discussion and has conceded on points rather than ignore them if they don't fit in with his ideals.
I don't think that there is an issue with responsible parents and kids at gigs, but we all have different views - Personally I don't like to see children with their ears pierced but many others do, I have the right to stop my kids till they are older but it is , as always, up to the parents to make their own decisions for their own children.
I think especially regarding the significance of todays date that we should all take any discussion regarding safety at gigs seriously, and I for one have enjoyed the discussion on this subject.
I had a similar experience. When I was a small child my family traveled down to California where we spent the American Bi-Centennial sitting on the beach in Santa Monica watching the massive fireworks display. I can honestly say that I have never been able to enjoy another fireworks display to the same degree. It was pure awesomeness
And what has this to do with responsible parents taking their kids to gigs before an age you deem suitable and all your other arguements about this?[/quote]
redrock, to be honest I do not know why I even started this thread, I haven't been to a gig since last year and I haven't seen any reports of youngsters getting hurt or anything like that. I was reading the reviews of the recent London and Dublin gigs which contained worrying references to people in trouble (jumping off balconies in Dublin and people getting hauled out in tears at Hyde Park) and for some reason I started this thread, maybe it was for someone who was worried about taking their young one to a gig, I don't know.
The comments about Pearl Jam fans looking after each other stands good for the most part but I was at the Manchester 09 show, had a fantastic time (was positioned perfectly to see the missing guitar incident and the subsequent bottles sliding across the stage episode, now that's grunge in full flow). At the end of the show these two guys started getting into it, I did not see the outcome because I was heading for the exit but it could have been very nasty.
As the band gets older and keeps touring, the fans are having kids and want to expose them to things they love. I know this is true in my case and have always found the surrounding crowds to be amazing. The most interesting part of the concerts has been the "salty" language especially from Eddie. Every time a curse word is said, the kids and I look at each other and smile. I know they hear this language at school and in society but we have made it a game and they know they can "hear" it but not "say" it. My oldest asked me before the last show he was at if he could say "shit in the hole" if they sung Supersonic. They did and you have not seen a kid enjoy singing more than he did
My 10.5 year old has seen Ed solo (thought that was perfect for a 1st show - mellow - seated, etc). And I am taking him to see Green Day in August and he is super excited! I won't take him to PJ for a few more years because I think their shows are just too long for him and I would NOT be willing to leave early
I happen to agree that rock concerts are no place for kids.
But who am I to tell someone what is right for their children?
My wife was 7 months pregnant with our son when we saw them in 2000. He's now 10 years old and absolutely loves the band. He's been asking to see a live show since 2006 and we seriously considered letting him come to the Boston show. After a lot of discussion we decided that the next time they tour in our neck of the woods we would bring him to his first show. I guess what I'm saying is as a parent when YOU think it's the right time, it's the right time.
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I started taking my lads to Reading Festival when they were 13 and 9 respectively...we camped for the three days and they got to see everything that went on...they will be 21 and 17 this year and have decided not to come with us this year...after 8 years of attending the festival they have reached the point when they no longer want to go...during those 8 years they have witnessed drunken behaviour on a monumental scale...more weed being smoked than at a Cheech & Chong convention and more amil nitrate being sniffed than Ozzie faced with a line of ants...nothing holds any fascination for them...in fact the eldest is tee total (and no he's not just pretending he really is)...neither smoke and as far as I know neither have dabbled in drugs.
I think 6 is a bit young because of the cleanliness issues...I learned fairly early on that if you feel something wet and warm on your neck...as a bottle whizzes by...it's not warm water :?...I carry a bottle of hand sanitiser all the time at gigs because you never know who has touched what you're touching and what they were doing before they touched it...eww and EWW again! :shock:
Yeah, I think that's a big reason why my eleven-year-old is so crazy about "Rats" right now.
We've had the conversation about language (and, um, Mom has cursed like a sailor on more than one occasion :oops: ), and that's generally a non-issue. My personal opinion about "f@#k" is that it has been so thoroughly used and abused in our language that it has lost whatever meaning -- and most of the shock value -- that it originally had; but that's just me, and I went ahead and 'bleeped' it for all of you, anyway.
Listening to the Philly boots, I realized I had completely forgotten about the Philly 4 exchange between Ed and Mike about KISS and their moms. :shock: That was an interesting family car ride. Likewise, Ed's remark at Newark about the back of the arena -- "I think there's two people up there f@#king -- or maybe it's three" -- well, I was just happy that my thirteen-year-old is way too squeamish right now to ask me for an elaboration on that comment.
But at the same time, my boys would be going into sixth and ninth grade in the fall (they are homeschooled) -- and I am pretty sure that, were they in school, they would not need an explanation of "or maybe it's three."
its the best age to OBSESSED with a band! you want something to claim as your own, you have a lot of disposable income, and it helps you decide who you really are and what you're about
on the other hand, it could just be a nice bonding moment for the younger kids... i can remember going to TONS of movies with my dad from 4 y.o. to now... don't remember the movies but i remember spending time with the old man
GA shows might be a different story... i still get my ass kicked in certain crowds... i would NEVER bring a kid or smaller girlfriend up front at a show like that... and shame on those that do and then start throwing elbows and bitching when things get too rough
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I've written about it elsewhere, but it was such a great experience that it's worth repeating: Our boys' first show was Mansfield 1 in 2008; they were nine and almost-twelve. My older son has a ton of special needs, and raising him has been a real challenge. When the crowd brought "Betterman" to a screaming halt, all four of us were pounding on the seats and screaming for all we were worth; I think that is the most fun we ever have had as a family.
I would not take my kids to GA shows. My younger son is very tall for his age, but he was freaked out by the crowd crush in the walkways at the Spectrum. I think he was very worried about being squashed; I was finding it hard to breathe at times myself, so I can understand how he felt. My older boy has issues with crowds and being touched, so GA also would be a very bad idea for him.
I don't even know how to put into words what happened last night.... Basically, me and my daughter Jenna waited around in the parking lot of the venue from 3:30 till 7:30 waiting to see Eddie. Finally at 7:20 I see a security guard walking away from the door he had been guarding all day heading down the street to alternative entrances, so we follow him. Two seconds later a man pulls up in a van with Eddie's bodyguard and Ed. Jenna and I start yelling to Eddie and waving,"Hi" to him, and he definitely spotted us. Before long people begin to assemble so the guard instructs them to drive around the building to the back entrance (where we had been waiting all day). So Jenna and I sprint around the entire venue chasing after Eddie's van. By the time I get to the backdoor Eddie is almost all the way in the door. I hurry to try to take a picture, when suddenly Eddie's bodyguard sternly reprimands me!! A few seconds later, Ed's bodyguard sees me looking in the opened door and he says something like, "You over here, come here"! I hesitated a few moments, as I thought he was going to take my tickets away from me. Next thing you know, Eddie pokes his head around the corner, and upon seeing me, he says, "Him, yes him, get him in here"! So again the bodyguard motions to me to come in, and after hearing Ed, I go walking in. Then Ed says to me, "Dude where is your daughter, get your daughter man"! I thought she was right behind me, so I turn around and notice someone had closed the door. I open the door and to my relief she is standing there with this woman she had been talking with all night. I yell to her, "Jenna, hurry up, come on, Eddie wants to meet you"!
Upon walking back in, Eddie is standing there waiting for us with his bodyguard. We talk for a little while, I take two pictures of him with my daughter, then Jenna takes two pictures of the two of us, Eddie autographs my PJ shirt,and then he reaches in his pocket and says to my daughter, "Sorry honey, I don't have a guitar pic with me". He then reaches to the back of his head and removes his hair tie, and gives this to her. After talking a few more minutes, he says, "It's been great meeting you Jenna and 'pops', but I have to go to work now"! Jenna and I then exit screaming and yelling to a round of cheers from the rest of the fans outside who witnessed what had just happened!
But that was just the beginning of an amazing night. After Eddie had sang nearly a dozen songs, he began telling the story of how he had met Jenna before the show and that this was the first concert she ever attended. He went on to say, "I don't know exactly where she is out there, but I now she is somewhere". Then a guy right next to us yells out, "Jenna is up here Eddie". Then Eddie commented that what he really wanted was for her to come down to the stage so he could sing a song just for her! I led Jenna to the stage, where we were greeted by Ed's bodyguard, who led us backstage. We then watched from there as Eddie performed "Drifting", after which Eddie made the announcement that Jenna had made it to the stage. Because Jenna was so nervous, Eddie set up TWO chairs on stage (one for her and one for me). Shortly after being seated the crowd began singing "Happy Birthday" to Jenna and Eddie said, "No,No,No...I have my own song for her". When the crowd continued to finish the song, Eddie played and sang the remainder of the song. Then he proceeded to sing "Forever Young" to her!! Once he finished he handed my daughter his pic saying, " I told you I would get you a pic before the night was through"! He then I believe, asked the crowd for applause for us and he gave Jenna a hug for the road!
I just want to extend a HUGE THANK YOU to Eddie for providing my daughter (and me) with a night we will NEVER, EVER forget!!! His hospitality to us was amazing!! This is all my daughter has been talking about since it happened!!! Truely an epic night!!! Oh and by the way, to the woman with 'Petunia', my daughter is already missing the both of ya'!! Hope I wasn't to wordy!!!! Peace and Keep On Rocking In The Free World !!!!
Yeah, what were they thinking??? I take my kid with me, it's an experience I want to share with him. Frankly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I'm just sick of hearing this argument. If you don't want to take your kids with you, leave them at home, but the rest of us are free to do with our children as we see fit. It's a personal parenting decision for a child's parents to make. There are concerts and festivals that I would not take my child to, but a PJ concert in a safe venue is ok in my opinion.
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My son has been playing guitar since he was 6 and this night was magical for him, he loved watching Mike play and it really helped inspire him. After that show he came home the next day and finally started jamming with his 8 year old brother who plays drums, he understand the bigger picture of music and collaboration from it.
As for when they are old enough, that is a choice a parent should make carefully, I would not be inclined to take my son to a festival type setting for instance over safety concerns yet. But this was a great father son experience. I will take my 8 year old to his first show the next time Pearl Jam comes through town.
I know that I am month late on this post, but really??? No one under 16??? C'mon give me a brake. I have met some of the nicest people at a Pearl Jam concert and I wouldn't hesitate on taking my "under 16" year old son to see Pearl Jam next time they come around. It's not the 1950's anymore buddy.
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Exactly, my husband doesn't get on here, but I was telling him about a couple of these threads. He had the same opinion that you do in that people feel a bit guilty in acting like wild party animals in front of young children and this is the cause for their complaint. However, although I realize that it is fun to let your hair down from time to time, I also believe that if you feel convicted about something maybe you should rethink it and possibly abstain from it. Any person that brings their child to a show it going to be watching their own kid and ensuring their safety (no different and actually probably way more closely than they would in a shopping mall or something), so as long as you are in control of yourself than there should be nothing to worry about. It's not up to you to be in control of somebody else's kid, but it is up to you to be in control of yourself and if you are doing something that could harm somebody else (not just a kid), you probably shouldn't be doing it period. I know adults who have been hurt at concerts b/c of irresponsible and selfish concert goers. Basically, what I'm saying is, if we all act decent and remember that we are in a public venue with others around, there should be no cause for concern no matter the age of the attendee.
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I am at peace with my lust.....for Eddie.
As a parent you don't worry about what shouldn't happen, you worry about what could happen.
Very true. However, as a person who grew up with a mother who was way too over-protective, I try to protect my child, but within reason (if that makes sense). I took him to a PJ show this past tour and we all had a blast, but I have to admit that there are certain shows and venues that I would not take him to.
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If a kid was sitting in my vicinity I would definitely try to be more discreet about the weed but I would still enjoy myself as I normaly would. The way I look at it is if a parent is bringing their kid to a rock concert they must be ok with their child witnessing some weed being smoked. Otherwise they wouldn't have brought him/her. Is that assumption incorrect??
I wouldn't ever be worried over the safety of a kid at a PJ show though I think if something ever happened along those lines you would see dozens of jammers doing everything possible to help out.
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Kids under the 14 age range most likely wouldn't recognize it as weed. I can understand a few drinks to get buzzed (although I don't get why you would feel the need to smoke weed at the concert when you could before or after, that's just my opinion). I don't get those people who get fall down drunk either, I would think paying as much as you pay, you would want to remember the show. Also, although they serve drinks at concerts, it's not a bar, so there's nothing wrong with kids being there. And yes, you are correct in your assumption that us parents know what's going to be happening when we take out kids. However, I do think if some discretion never hut anyone.
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I think you would be surprised about kids under 14 recognizing the smell of pot. I know I would have recognized it when I was 11 or so. As for why the need to smoke it during the show, well you know how long PJ plays for! By the 1st encore its time to burn another. Seriously its just the way I've always enjoyed live music. Really I have no problem with kids going to a show as long as the parents are responsible and are ok with it.
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Agreed.
I agree, it sucks to miss out on it b/c your parents won't let you. Also, as a parent, it's hard to tell your kid no and make them stay at home when you're going. You feel like not all of you is there. I know b/c I told my son no when he begged to go see Ed solo and I've regretted it since. So, when the 2010 tour was announced, I bought three tickets. We had a blast.
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I am at peace with my lust.....for Eddie.