The ideal diet

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  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    he still stands wrote:
    I haven't seen any health professional say to NOT eat 5 or 6 small meals a day. That is universally accepted. It doesn't have to be "square" meals... the 2 or 3 extras can be "full" snacks like a cup of yogurt, a hard boiled egg, and some veggies. Or a handful of nuts, a cup of fruit and a 1/2 pint of skim milk. Those are my typical mid day "meals" and I also have a protein shake after my daily workout. Bowl of cereal and juice in the morning. Turkey or chicken (sometimes beef) at night with a starch (usually potatoes) and lots of vegetables. Nothing pre-packaged (well, except for the yogurt, nuts, etc) or with added sugar (don't get the fruit in a cup).

    When you eat 2-3 meals a day you're going to have crashing sugar levels and spikes which exacerbate stored body fat. Not to mention your energy levels are going to be shit.

    The other 50% of being healthy is exercise. Even if it is just a 2-3 mile walk and some pushups, sit ups.
    THey say that because people have piss poor diets and tend to snack throughout the day. My point which no one seems to get is that you get the exact same fat loss or muscle gains from eating 5-7 meals a day as well as 3 meals a day. I already recognized the fact that eating 5-7 meals does have better insulin management. But that is all. I played college football for 4 years and never had an energy problem eating 3 meals a day. The only reason i switched to 5 meals is because i consume 4,500 cals a day now and Its to much to put into 3 meals. There is no science to 5-7 meals, its a trend and it seems to work for people because its easy to eat smaller meals throughout the day to satisfy your hunger. The ideal diet is whas your body is comfortable with.
  • Blockhead
    Blockhead Posts: 1,538
    redrock wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Your right it is about the ideal diet "health". But many people here seem to think that the ideal diet is 5-7 meals. I am telling you that there is no proof that it does anything but spread your meals throughout the day.
    and why is 3000 cal a meal not a healthy way to eat once a day assuming that all the food we are talking about is healthy.
    Due to major health issues I have had to look at how and what we eat (issues are not due to food, ie obesity, etc.). My husband is followed by a dietician and nutritionist (amongst other health professionals). It would seem the consensus IS 5 'meals' a day, for reasons I already explained and that he still stands reiterated in the post further below. And, yes, it does spread those meals throughout the day - that's the point. No self respecting nutritionist would say eating once a day is healthy, even if the foods are.
    You do realize that nutritionists base all their studies off what the body or persons results are, Right. Nutritionists learn from us, not the otherway around. Explain to me how if you are eating the right foods, eating one meal a day is bad. Would i do it, no... but people do and see great results. If you want i can post pictues of my physique off eating 3 meals a day. They provide people with the 5 meal a day plan because people have binge eating problems and can go more than a few hours without eating, so they adopted this smaller meal plan. But people that do have some will power concerning snacking dont' need to follow this bro-science that is 5 meals a day. 3 is suffice, and was also a staple of all great bodybuilders in the golden age, such as arnold, reg park, columbo, dave draper, etc.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    I'm thinking this thread should have been in the AET. I guess there isn't anyway to avoid arguments instead of giving general recommendations in the Moving Train.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    HeidiJam wrote:
    You do realize that nutritionists base all their studies off what the body or persons results are, Right. Nutritionists learn from us, not the otherway around. Explain to me how if you are eating the right foods, eating one meal a day is bad. Would i do it, no... but people do and see great results. If you want i can post pictues of my physique off eating 3 meals a day. They provide people with the 5 meal a day plan because people have binge eating problems and can go more than a few hours without eating, so they adopted this smaller meal plan. But people that do have some will power concerning snacking dont' need to follow this bro-science that is 5 meals a day. 3 is suffice, and was also a staple of all great bodybuilders in the golden age, such as arnold, reg park, columbo, dave draper, etc.

    I think the why has been explained a few times already. Again, we are not talking about binge eating, will power, etc. but the chemistry that happens in your body with food intake. Legit health professionals (whether they are called dieticians, nutritionists, clinicians or doctors) know what is going on in the body and how everything interacts. They don't 'learn' from us, they have the knowledge before. Hey, I had a great body, skipping breakfast (only drinking coffee), crap lunch, coffee after coffee during the day, 3-course meal at restaurants most nights, plenty of alcohol. Looked good but was my body healthy? Nope. You mention the body builders of the golden age - not a 'normal' diet by all means! Not to mention 'extras'. Not a good example of healthy eating.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    a few pointers...

    1. drink a LOT of water. water will make you feel full so you are not as hungry after your last meal of the day.
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    3. eat on a schedule at fixed times throughout the day. this will let your body know it can burn all the calories from your last meal and your body will know when to expect more fuel.
    4. supplement with protein shakes. protein helps preserve muscle and feed the muscles. the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism so you burn fat easier. if you lift weights, protein shakes are essential.

    i can add more later if you like, but these are the big ones.

    Truth have you ever heard of food combining ? if so what do you think of it ?

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    a few pointers...

    1. drink a LOT of water. water will make you feel full so you are not as hungry after your last meal of the day.
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    3. eat on a schedule at fixed times throughout the day. this will let your body know it can burn all the calories from your last meal and your body will know when to expect more fuel.
    4. supplement with protein shakes. protein helps preserve muscle and feed the muscles. the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism so you burn fat easier. if you lift weights, protein shakes are essential.

    i can add more later if you like, but these are the big ones.

    Truth have you ever heard of food combining ? if so what do you think of it ?

    Godfather.

    i have heard of it and have read a few studies on it. from what i recall it had no significant impact on weight loss, but did improve overall digestive function. this was maybe 7 or 8 years ago though so there might be more recent studies out there that i have not seen.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    a few pointers...

    1. drink a LOT of water. water will make you feel full so you are not as hungry after your last meal of the day.
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    3. eat on a schedule at fixed times throughout the day. this will let your body know it can burn all the calories from your last meal and your body will know when to expect more fuel.
    4. supplement with protein shakes. protein helps preserve muscle and feed the muscles. the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism so you burn fat easier. if you lift weights, protein shakes are essential.

    i can add more later if you like, but these are the big ones.

    Truth have you ever heard of food combining ? if so what do you think of it ?

    Godfather.

    i have heard of it and have read a few studies on it. from what i recall it had no significant impact on weight loss, but did improve overall digestive function. this was maybe 7 or 8 years ago though so there might be more recent studies out there that i have not seen.

    As opposed to specific food combinations, it's more about food groups. A good balance of protein/carb is great. Too high protein meals in the long run increase risk of certain cancers. Associate them with 'good' carbs (and your veggies!), it diminishes these risks and stablises sugars. Same thing with a few nuts or seeds on with fruit. It's logical, all about balance. One cannot just eliminate a food group from their diet (some people do - they won't eat carbs....).
  • mikalina
    mikalina Posts: 7,206
    If you just want ideas - don't make it a diet. More of a healthy lifestyle....

    smaller portions, (much smaller)

    more fruits and veggies

    eliminate all/most junk food - especially snacking

    lots of water

    treat yourself to whatever you like ( once in awhile )

    and exercise- You will see quite a difference and lose weight. Good luck
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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    So just to recap the several small meals debate... it seems like everyone agrees that this method generally leads to people 1) eat less crap, and 2) have more energy to do things like exercise (not to mention the other health benefits people have seen - like, for me, it helps with migraines). So why wouldn't someone want to do this? :?
  • sensi
    sensi Posts: 73
    Don't deny yourself anything (within reason) if you want chocolate freeze a bar of dark chocolate (broken into chunks) and have a couple of chunks at night...I've found that helps see off any sweet cravings.

    Over the last 12 months I've lost 5st and I did it with a meal replacement programme...a milk based shake breakfast and lunch...three small 100 cal snacks between meals and an evening meal of 600 cals...I drank/drink two litres of water a day and incorporate almonds and brazil nuts in my 100 cal snack...I exercise by way of walking.

    I have a problem with the discs in my spine...they prolapse easily and I'm currently waiting on an op to remove a disc in my neck...I had one removed in my lower back in 2007...I've struggled for many years to walk and exercise but losing the weight has enabled me to get around...when I saw Pearl Jam at Reading Festival in 2006 I could hardly walk...I couldn't dance for fear of throwing another disc out of place...I was miserable and it took from my enjoyment...move on 4 years and I was dancing like a loon at Hyde Park...OK I could hardly move the following day and I had to up the pain relief but it was worth it.

    Losing weight benefits you in so many other ways :D
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Well, my personal ideal diet that has me feeling the best throughout the day and maintaining a healthy weight is as follows:
    Breakfast:
    2 Eggs, 2 Turkey sausage links, and a light portion of oatmeal or some other whole grain based food. Also usually drink some skim milk with breakfast.
    Midmorning:
    Greek yogurt with some walnuts or almonds...(i do sometimes miss or "skip" my midmorning due to busy schedule).
    Lunch example:
    Really anything...but usually not over 400 or 500 cals...I usually don't eat any fried stuff and stick with whole grains and good protein with lowfat, such as fish, chicken, or deli lean roast beef.
    Mid-afternoon:
    Greek yogurt...love that stuff.
    Supper:
    Typical example might be grilled chicken and some baked sweet potato "fries", black beans, vegies. Really don't limit myself hardcore on supper, just don't stuff myself and stick with whole foods and hadly ever eat any "fried" anything...
    Before bed:
    1/2 cup of lowfat or no fat cottage cheese, or snack on some good natural peanut butter :)

    I also drink whey protein after lifting and drink probably 80 oz of water a day in some form. I still have my morning coffee, but haven't had a soda in probably over a year (don't miss them). If you're trying to lose weight, I would suggest cutting out drinks with a lot of sugar, including apple juice, orange juice, etc...eat an apple or orange instead. Some studies have even shown that "diet drinks" that have artificial sweetners cause major insulin spikes and caused people to gain weight FASTER than with regular suger drinks (not going to look up source right now)...This is what works for ME and my workout routine and works very well. I don't feel starved or limited and am in very good shape :)
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    sensi wrote:
    Don't deny yourself anything (within reason) if you want chocolate freeze a bar of dark chocolate (broken into chunks) and have a couple of chunks at night...I've found that helps see off any sweet cravings.

    Pudding helps with my sweet tooth. Fat-free, sugar-free, chocolate pudding. :D

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