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matabelematabele Posts: 277
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Any ideas people, and keep enjoyment in mind.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    1. Chicken or some kind of meat
    2. Nuts or (fish oil, olive oil) - a good fat.
    3. Veggies
    4. Some type of carb, usually pasta
    5. exercise/weight lifting
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    just to get started;cut your food intake in half and don't eat after 6pm then take a walk around the block every day.....stay away from junk food places like burger king mc Donald's etc....and no alcohol. then follow what your body is telling you.
    it's not as painful as it sounds.

    Godfather.
  • matabelematabele Posts: 277
    Great replies, thanks, bit worried about the 6pm cut off point, I'd probably end up emptying the fridge sleep eating.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    I did the P90X workout program last year and they actually provided a very nice guideline for eating, as well as some very tasty recipes that would fit the program. It's not really a diet but instead it is a guideline that if followed will let you lose weight naturally and get to an ideal weight that you can maintain. Most diets offer great results quickly, but I bet 95% of people on diets fall into their old habits quickly and gain it back within a year.

    A great thing about the P90X program is that it requires you to eat more often. That way you stay full and avoid binging on a large calorie filled meal. I created an excel spreadsheet that let me easily track my intake. My plan was based on 2,500 calories a day, and to be honest I had trouble eating enough each day to hit that mark . . . except when my friends would bring a 12-pack over to tempt me :evil: .

    The only problem is that beer is apparently not good for you in excess :cry: . My spreadsheet would look great until the weekend hit.

    So my advice is to avoid any plan that advertises itself as a "Diet" and make a lifestyle change that avoids the processed foods and fast-food joints and focuses on eating healthy and natural food. Once you are on a program like that for several weeks, stuff from McDonalds looks revolting . . . except for their crispy chicken nuggets ;) .
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    According to WebMD, these are the top ten “Super Foods”

    Low fat yogurt
    Eggs
    Nuts
    Kiwis
    Quinoa (I have no idea what the hell this stuff is. Perhaps bat droppings?)
    Beans
    Salmon
    Broccoli
    Sweet Potatoes
    Berries
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    a few pointers...

    1. drink a LOT of water. water will make you feel full so you are not as hungry after your last meal of the day.
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    3. eat on a schedule at fixed times throughout the day. this will let your body know it can burn all the calories from your last meal and your body will know when to expect more fuel.
    4. supplement with protein shakes. protein helps preserve muscle and feed the muscles. the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism so you burn fat easier. if you lift weights, protein shakes are essential.

    i can add more later if you like, but these are the big ones.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i just wanted to add, proper diet depends on your goals, weight loss, weight gain, etc...if you want to lose weight, you MUST include an exercise program and burn more calories than you take in.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    quote]
    This isn't entirely true. This is something that was perpetuated by the supplement companies so you would buy their protein supplements as meal replacements throughout the day. Although protein shakes are great for you and they are a part of my diet, the whole 7 meals a day thing was mainly made up so they could sell their products. You need to find out how many calories you need to intake a day, and split that up however you like, if you need 5-6 meals because you are starving throughout the day then do 5-6 meals. If you can go 3 meals a day, do 3 meals.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Jason P wrote:
    Quinoa (I have no idea what the hell this stuff is. Perhaps bat droppings?)

    It's a small, roundish seed. You can use it instead of couscous or rice.
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    matabele wrote:
    Any ideas people, and keep enjoyment in mind.

    The above advice is okay... mostly true... but my first question would be: what are your goals? Are you trying to lose weight, or are you just wanting to start a healthy lifestyle?
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    Another great idea is to get a pedometer. Omron offers two great models for around $30 that let you keep the pedometer in your pocket instead of a clip on your belt. If you walk 10,000 steps each day, you will see a dramatic change over several months. And 10,000 is not nearly as hard as it seems. A lazy person will average about 3,000 steps a day.

    Soon, you will find yourself parking in the furthest spot away so you can get some extra steps. You can add a 10 minute walk during lunch. Just little things. You can't get better unless you keep score.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    HeidiJam wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    quote]
    This isn't entirely true. This is something that was perpetuated by the supplement companies so you would buy their protein supplements as meal replacements throughout the day. Although protein shakes are great for you and they are a part of my diet, the whole 7 meals a day thing was mainly made up so they could sell their products. You need to find out how many calories you need to intake a day, and split that up however you like, if you need 5-6 meals because you are starving throughout the day then do 5-6 meals. If you can go 3 meals a day, do 3 meals.
    if that was made up by supplement companies why do so many elite athletes and body builders and LEAN healthy people subscribe to this diet then? it works for me so i can say with utmost confidence that i am speaking truth in my situation. my shakes are mainly for recovery after a workout, and it is very difficult to get the proper amount of protein by eating chicken and steak all day every day. the shakes are good because they are low calorie, fast, easy, and they tide you over for a few hours between your main meals.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    quote]
    This isn't entirely true. This is something that was perpetuated by the supplement companies so you would buy their protein supplements as meal replacements throughout the day. Although protein shakes are great for you and they are a part of my diet, the whole 7 meals a day thing was mainly made up so they could sell their products. You need to find out how many calories you need to intake a day, and split that up however you like, if you need 5-6 meals because you are starving throughout the day then do 5-6 meals. If you can go 3 meals a day, do 3 meals.
    if that was made up by supplement companies why do so many elite athletes and body builders and LEAN healthy people subscribe to this diet then? it works for me so i can say with utmost confidence that i am speaking truth in my situation. my shakes are mainly for recovery after a workout, and it is very difficult to get the proper amount of protein by eating chicken and steak all day every day. the shakes are good because they are low calorie, fast, easy, and they tide you over for a few hours between your main meals.
    I agree. They are excellent after a hard workout.

    In regards to eating plans, to each their own. I try to follow the 3 meal plan with 2-3 healthy snacks during the day so that I'm not starving at each meal.
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  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    matabele wrote:
    Any ideas people, and keep enjoyment in mind.
    take me down, to sushi town.

    yum.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    if that was made up by supplement companies why do so many elite athletes and body builders and LEAN healthy people subscribe to this diet then? it works for me so i can say with utmost confidence that i am speaking truth in my situation. my shakes are mainly for recovery after a workout, and it is very difficult to get the proper amount of protein by eating chicken and steak all day every day. the shakes are good because they are low calorie, fast, easy, and they tide you over for a few hours between your main meals.
    Because those Athletes and Bodybuilders that say that are paid by the supplement companies.I played for Major D1 school (football) and we had fridges of free protein (whey) but we never had these absurd diet plans. That said I do use shakes in my diet daily. And it is very easy to get the proper ammount of protein by eating meat and nuts. Quit reading the bodybuilding mags that say you need 1.5 grams of portein per Lb.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    HeidiJam wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    if that was made up by supplement companies why do so many elite athletes and body builders and LEAN healthy people subscribe to this diet then? it works for me so i can say with utmost confidence that i am speaking truth in my situation. my shakes are mainly for recovery after a workout, and it is very difficult to get the proper amount of protein by eating chicken and steak all day every day. the shakes are good because they are low calorie, fast, easy, and they tide you over for a few hours between your main meals.
    Because those Athletes and Bodybuilders that say that are paid by the supplement companies.I played for Major D1 school (football) and we had fridges of free protein (whey) but we never had these absurd diet plans. That said I do use shakes in my diet daily. And it is very easy to get the proper ammount of protein by eating meat and nuts. Quit reading the bodybuilding mags that say you need 1.5 grams of portein per Lb.
    i don't read the bodybuilding mags. i train mma and used to fight. stop making assumptions please...i am trying to help out the OP, you are nitpicking me.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    if that was made up by supplement companies why do so many elite athletes and body builders and LEAN healthy people subscribe to this diet then? it works for me so i can say with utmost confidence that i am speaking truth in my situation. my shakes are mainly for recovery after a workout, and it is very difficult to get the proper amount of protein by eating chicken and steak all day every day. the shakes are good because they are low calorie, fast, easy, and they tide you over for a few hours between your main meals.
    Because those Athletes and Bodybuilders that say that are paid by the supplement companies.I played for Major D1 school (football) and we had fridges of free protein (whey) but we never had these absurd diet plans. That said I do use shakes in my diet daily. And it is very easy to get the proper ammount of protein by eating meat and nuts. Quit reading the bodybuilding mags that say you need 1.5 grams of portein per Lb.
    i don't read the bodybuilding mags. i train mma and used to fight. stop making assumptions please...i am trying to help out the OP, you are nitpicking me.
    Sorry, you are right, I am nitpicking you. It is solid advice, I just know that you can get great results eating 3 big meals a day as well as eating 5-7 meals a day, As long as your eating the right foods consistantly as well as training.
  • matabelematabele Posts: 277
    he still stands wrote:
    matabele wrote:
    Any ideas people, and keep enjoyment in mind.

    The above advice is okay... mostly true... but my first question would be: what are your goals? Are you trying to lose weight, or are you just wanting to start a healthy lifestyle?
    You people are the best, all the answers are here and I'm going to make sure I save a copy for future reference. I started the thread not because of trying to lose weight but more to do with sensible healthy eating, I know there are a lot of healthy eating tips out there but most of them are very boring, what I have picked up from this thread is the importance of healthy snacking. My diet is pretty good, I eat a lot of veg and fruit but eat at set times with nothing in between so I end up grabbing junk food when I'm on the run, now I know about the healthy snacks I will be more prepared.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    matabele wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    matabele wrote:
    Any ideas people, and keep enjoyment in mind.

    The above advice is okay... mostly true... but my first question would be: what are your goals? Are you trying to lose weight, or are you just wanting to start a healthy lifestyle?
    You people are the best, all the answers are here and I'm going to make sure I save a copy for future reference. I started the thread not because of trying to lose weight but more to do with sensible healthy eating, I know there are a lot of healthy eating tips out there but most of them are very boring, what I have picked up from this thread is the importance of healthy snacking. My diet is pretty good, I eat a lot of veg and fruit but eat at set times with nothing in between so I end up grabbing junk food when I'm on the run, now I know about the healthy snacks I will be more prepared.
    i'm glad we could help out. good luck.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    a few pointers...

    1. drink a LOT of water. water will make you feel full so you are not as hungry after your last meal of the day.
    2. eat about 5 or 6 small meals throughout the day. do not let your body get into starvation mode because when you do finally eat your body will store those calories as fat instead of burn them. by small meals i mean a handfull of trailmix or mixed nuts, high in protein and good fat. nuts will give you energy throughout the whole day and you will not feel as hungry. do not forget your veggies, raw broccoli is great.
    3. eat on a schedule at fixed times throughout the day. this will let your body know it can burn all the calories from your last meal and your body will know when to expect more fuel.
    4. supplement with protein shakes. protein helps preserve muscle and feed the muscles. the more muscle you have the higher your metabolism so you burn fat easier. if you lift weights, protein shakes are essential.

    i can add more later if you like, but these are the big ones.


    Ahem... if I may. This is 100% GOSPEL.

    I'm one of those guys that sets his alarm so that I don't go 8 hours without eating. I'll wake up say 2am and grab a handful of almonds or a bit of cottage cheese with some water. You need to get your body into a efficient mode, keeping the fuel constantly flowing it what gets that done.

    I also go every six months and have blood work done and get all of my levels checked.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    I totally recommend Body for Life as a diet plan. Even if you don't want to do any exercise, it tells you how to eat healthfully. And you can drink red wine. :D

    And I 100% agree with eating several small, healthy meals at intervals throughout the day. If you do this well you shouldn't need to count calories. I also completely agree with drinking lots of water, whether you feel thirsty or not.

    If you're looking for more interesting healthy things to eat, I'm all excited about this honey-smoked salmon I recently discovered in the deli section at Costco. (Gotta love those sample ladies!) It's the best fucking salmon I've ever had! I'm eating it on everything. And it's so tasty that when I put it on salad I don't even need any dressing. Mmmm.... :P

    Good luck! Let us know what you find out.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i agree with unsung and scb.

    a great analogy i have heard is that your metabolism is like a fire. when you are starving yourself it is like the fire is going out and you do not want that to happen. fuel the fire with small and light meals. just enough to keep the fire raging. don't let yourself starve because nothing good comes from a fire that has gone out.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i agree with unsung and scb.

    a great analogy i have heard is that your metabolism is like a fire. when you are starving yourself it is like the fire is going out and you do not want that to happen. fuel the fire with small and light meals. just enough to keep the fire raging. don't let yourself starve because nothing good comes from a fire that has gone out.

    It makes sense, and we can (or at least I can) see that it's true from our experience, right? When I eat this way, I feel much better and am in much better shape. When I don't, I feel like shit and gain weight. And I've never read a bodybuilding magazine in my life.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    scb wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i agree with unsung and scb.

    a great analogy i have heard is that your metabolism is like a fire. when you are starving yourself it is like the fire is going out and you do not want that to happen. fuel the fire with small and light meals. just enough to keep the fire raging. don't let yourself starve because nothing good comes from a fire that has gone out.

    It makes sense, and we can (or at least I can) see that it's true from our experience, right? When I eat this way, I feel much better and am in much better shape. When I don't, I feel like shit and gain weight. And I've never read a bodybuilding magazine in my life.
    i'm the same way. the less i eat the more weight i gain and it makes me feel really crappy and fat. but unfortunately the last few weeks my diet has really gone to shit. i have been working out more but i have not been hungry really and have been having to force myself to eat at times and have been allowing myself more "cheat days", which is a hard habit to break. as a result i feel like crap and my body feels like it is not recovering well from my workouts. slacking on the diet is definitely counterproductive, and summertime is when you absolutely DON"T want to feel and look bad, right? i will get it all straightened out soon enough though. once i eat right for a only a few days it becomes routine again.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I don't know if anybody has reconmended this yet but look up food combining,your body process's different food's differently or slower or faster and when you mix certain food together in your meal they will not proses or digest well together and spend more time in your body turning to fat,anyway it's real interesting check it out.

    Godfather.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    The question is about an ideal diet - Some of you are passing off BS that you have heard or what is trendy. The whole 5-7 meal is best, is a complete and total MYTH! Quit passing it on as gospel. Your metabolism does not changes as long as total calories are the same, regardless of meal frequency, if you think that please show me Scientific studies. The only thing that eating 5-7 meals provides is better insulin management which means your energy level is up. Your metabolism is controlled by caloric total! People advocate 5-7 meals because in essence it cuts our your snacking, and turns what you would eat as a snack into a healthy meal. The reason people like Bodybuilders and athletes eat like this is beacuse they have to consume huge amounts of calories in a day, and it is extremely hard to eat healthy and eat 1,000 to 1,500 calories in a meal. So they spilt these meals up throughout the day. I do eat about 5 meals a day but that is because i consume around 4,500 calories a day. The OP asked about ideal diet, You guys are providing some good info but don't say its ideal to eat 5-7 meals a day when there is no different in eating 3 meals, and saying things like it makes your metabolism work faster. That is a lie. Please see attached like, I have trained with the man and has a PHD. Look at his section on meal frequency.
    http://alanaragon.com/an-objective-look ... sting.html
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    HeidiJam wrote:
    The question is about an ideal diet - Some of you are passing off BS that you have heard or what is trendy. The whole 5-7 meal is best, is a complete and total MYTH! Quit passing it on as gospel. Your metabolism does not changes as long as total calories are the same, regardless of meal frequency, if you think that please show me Scientific studies. The only thing that eating 5-7 meals provides is better insulin management which means your energy level is up. Your metabolism is controlled by caloric total! People advocate 5-7 meals because in essence it cuts our your snacking, and turns what you would eat as a snack into a healthy meal. The reason people like Bodybuilders and athletes eat like this is beacuse they have to consume huge amounts of calories in a day, and it is extremely hard to eat healthy and eat 1,000 to 1,500 calories in a meal. So they spilt these meals up throughout the day. I do eat about 5 meals a day but that is because i consume around 4,500 calories a day. The OP asked about ideal diet, You guys are providing some good info but don't say its ideal to eat 5-7 meals a day when there is no different in eating 3 meals, and saying things like it makes your metabolism work faster. That is a lie. Please see attached like, I have trained with the man and has a PHD. Look at his section on meal frequency.
    http://alanaragon.com/an-objective-look ... sting.html
    difference of opinions. you present one article and if i were so inclined i could post several different ones spouting the virtues of different philosophies. i will not waste my time doing that though. you believe what you want and i will stick what works for me. the OP asked for basic suggestions and that is what the rest of us have given him/her. i stated what works for ME, and it makes sense to ME and it appears to be working for other people as well. i eat about 3000 calories per day and i work out very hard and spar and drill very hard. i am always hungry when i am working out, so the small meals cut out my snacking.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    HeidiJam wrote:
    The question is about an ideal diet - Some of you are passing off BS that you have heard or what is trendy. The whole 5-7 meal is best, is a complete and total MYTH! Quit passing it on as gospel. Your metabolism does not changes as long as total calories are the same, regardless of meal frequency, if you think that please show me Scientific studies. The only thing that eating 5-7 meals provides is better insulin management which means your energy level is up. Your metabolism is controlled by caloric total! People advocate 5-7 meals because in essence it cuts our your snacking, and turns what you would eat as a snack into a healthy meal. The reason people like Bodybuilders and athletes eat like this is beacuse they have to consume huge amounts of calories in a day, and it is extremely hard to eat healthy and eat 1,000 to 1,500 calories in a meal. So they spilt these meals up throughout the day. I do eat about 5 meals a day but that is because i consume around 4,500 calories a day. The OP asked about ideal diet, You guys are providing some good info but don't say its ideal to eat 5-7 meals a day when there is no different in eating 3 meals, and saying things like it makes your metabolism work faster. That is a lie. Please see attached like, I have trained with the man and has a PHD. Look at his section on meal frequency.
    http://alanaragon.com/an-objective-look ... sting.html
    LIES!!! :o

    It's not really 5-7 meals in what I was trying to describe. It's adding healthy snacks between major meals so that you eat smaller portions during the major meals and avoid binging. For example, this would be a typical day for me:

    Breakfast: Bowl of cereal; 1 hard boiled egg
    9:30 am - V-8 Low Sodium; 2 servings raw carrots; 2 egg whites
    Lunch: Ham & Cheese sandwich on whole grain bread; Apple; Low-fat crackers
    3:00 pm - Handful almonds or energy bar; Jerky
    Supper: Chicken breast; Salad
    Evening: if hungry I will eat a 100 cal bag of popcorn or some pretzels

    This is somewhere in the 2,500 cal range.

    If I follow that eating pattern I don't find myself getting hungry or tempted to gorge on a bag of Doritos. I don't consider the above pattern to be a "diet". I consider it to be more of a lifestyle change. But I've been following it for a year and have not gained any of the 20 lbs back that I lost since starting it. And I have tons more energy.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    Excuse me? what did i say was a lie?
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,158
    I would also recommend spending $12 for the book, "Eat This, Not That!". The author has a good sense of humor, and while the book doesn't go into extreme details, it will give you a good idea on what you should avoid eating. The book covers all the major restaurants, grocery store items, and holiday meals.

    I repeat, it is not a diet book but it is a fun read (sort of like a magazine) and will give you good tips. For instance, at Arby's, one of the worst items you can get is the Market Fresh BLT Sandwich (850 cal; 46 g fat; 1700 mg Sodium) while the Arby Melt is one of the best to choose (320 cal; 11 g fat; 900 mg sodium). But that is all the info they give on Arbys to help give you an idea how the book is set up.

    It also opened my eyes to the false connotation that Arbys is implying with their "Market Fresh" campaign (which I would associate with being more healthy). If you look up Arbys nutrition facts, the "Market Fresh" sandwiches are some of the most unhealthy things on the menu.

    Anywho, I think this is a good coffee table book.
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