But if you don't take your 2 year olds and hold them up and block everyone's view, how else can you get Ed's attention and hope for a tambourine?
this is becomming way too popular if you ask me... it's one thing to bring your kid bc she actually likes the music, but its sad when you see 2 yrs olds half asleep being waved around on some guys shoulders in a glittery "i eddie vedder" t-shit...
and when i was in hartford there was a 10 yr old in the seat in front of me with his parents - when metamorphasis 2 came on he started jumping up and down waving his arms in the air he was so excited... there is no reason he should not be allowed in a pj concert
I hate to even get involved in this, but can't help myself. My 13 year old has seen PJ 5x since he was 11 and EV twice. He has also seen Neil Young 3x, The Who, U2, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney 2x, Stevie Wonder 2x, maybe a couple of others I forget. My 15 year old kids have also been to similar numbers of concerts. These experiences have given my kids an incredible appreciation for what I think is pretty awesome music. The 13 year old can play just about anything by PJ on guitar and has a much greater appreciation for the subtleties of their music than I do. Why exactly should I be denying him this experience? Maybe you're right -- they should just wait until Ed is in a wheelchair to go see him. Also, I would far rather that they experience the dedication, musicianship, and joy of seeing PJ perform than say the prefab, auto-tuned, lip-synced, overly sexualized garbage that is shoved down pre-teens and teens throats and passes as popular music today.
As for drugs, alcohol, and other misbehavior there is nothing that they are unaware of or that they wouldn't encounter at a professional sports event either. And somehow I have 100% confidence that my kids have never indulged in any of these behaviors -- in fact I think they just look at the few people who let themselves go to extreme excess and take them for idiots. We have had lots of talks about Ed's drinking and especially his smoking and I think it has provided valuable discussion about people's imperfections and how people we admire in some ways are perfectly capable of behaviors that we don't condone. Again, a good life lesson and one that you can't miss by following the behavior of politicians, athletes, various entertainers, and also religious leaders, educators, and, oh, just about any human being.
Seeing Pearl Jam has brought my wife and I closer to our children and given us all some of the most pleasurable shared experiences we have ever had as a family and memories that I know we will all cherish for the rest of our lives. I would not trade that for anything and really cannot overstate how these experiences have served to bond us together and continue to do so. Other families share different hobbies, activities, interests, this is one of the primary ones that defines who our particular family is.
I have a few legitimate concerns about kids at concerts that have been mentioned but they have virtually nothing to do with the nonsense the OP brought up. I would never let my kids go to unassigned seating. I do worry about their hearing and, quite frankly, think that I have not done enough for them in that regard. I would not feel comfortable letting them go by themselves to a PJ concert, but I don't let them do much of anything that exposes them to thousands of strangers at once without adult supervision. Seems like an individual parental decision to me, but I think that for my kids at least, they overall appreciate that we are concerned about their well-being at all times, more than they resent having some limitations put on their independence.
Lastly, I worry about their being spoiled - they have been front row at PJ 2X, something I had never experienced at any concert until my 40s. They are tremendously appreciative of these experiences, but there is something to be said for working for things on your own in life. Again, this is more a result of the fact that they are able to reap the benefits of privileges we are able to give them in all aspects of their lives that our parents could not give us when we were children. At the same time, parenting has changed from my generation compared to my parents. Parents are much more friends and companions to their children than they were then -- I selfishly would not enjoy the experience of going to a PJ concert as much if I couldn't share it with my kids, just as I want to share it with my wife. In the end, there is no textbook for being a good parent. You just do what seems right for you and your children and hope that through some combination of love and good fortune that everything will work out OK.
But if you don't take your 2 year olds and hold them up and block everyone's view, how else can you get Ed's attention and hope for a tambourine?
this is becomming way too popular if you ask me... it's one thing to bring your kid bc she actually likes the music, but its sad when you see 2 yrs olds half asleep being waved around on some guys shoulders in a glittery "i eddie vedder" t-shit...
I agree. When I took my two year old, it was for the experience of seeing the show and thinking she might enjoy it, which she did. Did we wave at Eddie? Yes! But we were in the 8th row and he waved back. Never did I have to put her on my shoulders, dress her in an "I heart Eddie" shirt or anything(she wore her stickman onesie--thanks TC), etc. Also, bringing a child to score something from Eddie is just kinda silly. While I've never won the lottery or sat closer than row 3, I think it's something that's saved for those who score that front row ticket and rock out during the show. Not because you bring your kid to the concert. Just my take.
I like all the points everyone is making, but if we put a 16 and younger rule on these shows. We must also put a maximum age as well. And I think 35 is a great age to start. When I am at a show, I cant help but worry about how many people are at risk during these shows, especially you people 35 and older. At the Chicago shows last year, I saw people in the upper deck front row sitting down, those poor people cant even stand up to watch a concert. I was considering getting a security guard or seeking medical attention for them. I was so worried because I thought something was wrong with them, and that was the exact moment I knew that people 35 and older shouldnt be allowed to shows. They also do stuff like drink and bring drugs into concerts which is no ideal environment for the people around them, especially those who arent even old to enough to drink alcohol. Also men 40 and up are extremely liable to have heart attacks and it bothers me to a drastic level during the show, that what would happen if someone had a heart attack because the music is too loud? I actually canceled my midwest tour plans this spring because I was so bothered by how annoying older adults are at concerts, and I just couldnt handle it.
So Im with all of you, we should have a minimum age of 16 and a maximum age of 35.
Problem with the max age is that the most talented artists are well over this age so they would not be allowed in to play for you.
I can understand the 13,14, 15 arguments but when the really young ones get taken to shows it kind of reminds me of the parents entering their children in these beauty pageants. How does a 2 year old child enjoy Pearl Jam or even a 10 year old and yes of course they will say they do because they love their parents and want to hang out with them. Please be careful with your young ones people, there are a lot of lunatics about.
I like all the points everyone is making, but if we put a 16 and younger rule on these shows. We must also put a maximum age as well. And I think 35 is a great age to start. When I am at a show, I cant help but worry about how many people are at risk during these shows, especially you people 35 and older. At the Chicago shows last year, I saw people in the upper deck front row sitting down, those poor people cant even stand up to watch a concert. I was considering getting a security guard or seeking medical attention for them. I was so worried because I thought something was wrong with them, and that was the exact moment I knew that people 35 and older shouldnt be allowed to shows. They also do stuff like drink and bring drugs into concerts which is no ideal environment for the people around them, especially those who arent even old to enough to drink alcohol. Also men 40 and up are extremely liable to have heart attacks and it bothers me to a drastic level during the show, that what would happen if someone had a heart attack because the music is too loud? I actually canceled my midwest tour plans this spring because I was so bothered by how annoying older adults are at concerts, and I just couldnt handle it.
So Im with all of you, we should have a minimum age of 16 and a maximum age of 35.
Problem with the max age is that the most talented artists are well over this age so they would not be allowed in to play for you.
I can understand the 13,14, 15 arguments but when the really young ones get taken to shows it kind of reminds me of the parents entering their children in these beauty pageants. How does a 2 year old child enjoy Pearl Jam or even a 10 year old and yes of course they will say they do because they love their parents and want to hang out with them. Please be careful with your young ones people, there are a lot of lunatics about.
ha i think matabele completly missed the sarcasm in the post he quoted
I like all the points everyone is making, but if we put a 16 and younger rule on these shows. We must also put a maximum age as well. And I think 35 is a great age to start. When I am at a show, I cant help but worry about how many people are at risk during these shows, especially you people 35 and older. At the Chicago shows last year, I saw people in the upper deck front row sitting down, those poor people cant even stand up to watch a concert. I was considering getting a security guard or seeking medical attention for them. I was so worried because I thought something was wrong with them, and that was the exact moment I knew that people 35 and older shouldnt be allowed to shows. They also do stuff like drink and bring drugs into concerts which is no ideal environment for the people around them, especially those who arent even old to enough to drink alcohol. Also men 40 and up are extremely liable to have heart attacks and it bothers me to a drastic level during the show, that what would happen if someone had a heart attack because the music is too loud? I actually canceled my midwest tour plans this spring because I was so bothered by how annoying older adults are at concerts, and I just couldnt handle it.
So Im with all of you, we should have a minimum age of 16 and a maximum age of 35.
Problem with the max age is that the most talented artists are well over this age so they would not be allowed in to play for you.
I can understand the 13,14, 15 arguments but when the really young ones get taken to shows it kind of reminds me of the parents entering their children in these beauty pageants. How does a 2 year old child enjoy Pearl Jam or even a 10 year old and yes of course they will say they do because they love their parents and want to hang out with them. Please be careful with your young ones people, there are a lot of lunatics about.
ha i think matabele completly missed the sarcasm in the post he quoted
I was having a laugh with it, I think you missed mine.
While I mentioned bringing my daughter to two shows, I would not have brought her to a show where I didn't have a seat. I believe most(if not all) European shows are GA, and I'd never do that. In a seated area, she can sit or stand with me, and we're perfectly safe.
Although 10c tickets are GA in Europe other than festival shows there will be seats in the venue as well. At non festival GA shows venues tend to have an age restriction on who can be allowed on the floor. Typical in the UK is no unaccompanied under 16s, no under 14s at all so any under 14s would have to be in the seats.
Wasn't the case when I was a kid as my first show was me and a couple of friends 3rd row on the floor at 12. Friend's mum waiting in the car park for us ... we had a blast
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So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
I was 13 when I attended my first show... I went with my dad. We had seats so there was nobody bumping into me. Everyone that greeted me before the show was very happy that I was a "little jammer" . I have to disagree and say that if I didn't go to that show, I might like rap/pop/country.... yuck..
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First off - it's already been said, and I would hope that the OP would be reasonable enough to understand that every parent is different, as is every child.
Second - the bad behaviour visible at a concert, in my opinion, pales in comparison to the bad behaviour visible in every-day life - be it through television, video games, or just life in general.
Third - having developed a great passion for concerts and all the good that comes from them over the years, I can tell you that as a child, if I knew I was being denied the ability to participate in a meaningful experience because a bunch of adults couldn't behave themselves, this would have probably extended my anti-authoritarian binge I went through as a young teen, and also would've taken away a release a depressed teen really, really needed at the time. I have full confidence that more damage would have been done to me from the point I started seeing concerts (at 13) had I been prevented from seeing shows, rather than being encouraged to experience concerts. In fact, I can tell you I've had nothing but positive experiences at concerts, though I've seen my fair share of poor behaviour.
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I took my 10 year old daughter to her 1st pj concert in Dublin. We had seated tickets so she didn't get under anyones feet. She had a fantastic time singing and dancing with all the fans. One girl in particular came across to say how cool it was that we had come to the concert. Even at 10 my daughter is well aware of the dangers of drugs, alcohol and teenage pregnancy. Its down to the individual. My daughters choice is to enjoy a fantastic concert listening to the best band in the world with parents who love her.
the only thing I told my son (15) when I took him to his first PJ concert (this year in Hartford)was that other bands he sees after will pale in comparison. Before taking him, he thought Pearl Jam was "ok"....now he wants all my cd's and wants to know more about them........shame on me;)
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Just thought I'd add this as a talking point. This is from yesterday's Sun newspaper:
GIG KILLING
A man of 38 was stabbed to death after a performance in the park by the Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra. He is thought to have been walking to his car with his family when a row broke out with a group of men after the Rotary Club event in Southend, Essex on Saturday night. Police were yesterday quizzing two men aged 18 and 19.
I think that this is a tragedy, but it does show that you cannot put restrictions on certain kinds of performances. Who would have thought that the Royal Philharmonic would be the show that this kind of a thing would happen after. I know that this is not the OP point in anyway, but feel that it is relevant to the idea of not allowing types of people to go to gigs on the off chance of bad things happening. We could all be run over tomorrow and that would not be changed by having youngsters being chaperoned correctly at a rock show. We need to help educate the younger people in our society on how to behave. My neices and nephew were all very impressed on Friday about the fact we were no where near front, but when Ed asked everyone to take three steps back they did at by us as well. This is important to see at a young age because they will learn to respect people around them. Our youngsters that were with us have all said that the experiance was one of the best in their life so far and they cannot wait for PJ to come back.
I think that this has been a great thread and am very impressed with the lack of flaming. Hats of to all contributers!!!!!1
I have taken each of my boys to 3 shows each. I would not take them to a GA show (they wanted to go to Europe). EVERYONE around us was terrific to them and I made sure not to spoil someone else's good time either. I got questions on what is that smell, was even offered to take a hit or two (thanks kindly but I stopped that with fatherhood). I know my kids and they are appropriate to go to shows (as a matter of fact my 7 year old knows more about the band than I do, he did his first grade full year report on the band). If I did not think they could handle it I would not take them. A tremendous bonding experience as we have traveled all over together to see the band.
But this is a parental decision and also as a parent you should know that others don't behave like you do and you have to accept it. I do at PJ shows but there are some bands and arenas that I would not take them to.
I have taken each of my boys to 3 shows each. I would not take them to a GA show (they wanted to go to Europe). EVERYONE around us was terrific to them and I made sure not to spoil someone else's good time either. I got questions on what is that smell, was even offered to take a hit or two (thanks kindly but I stopped that with fatherhood). I know my kids and they are appropriate to go to shows (as a matter of fact my 7 year old knows more about the band than I do, he did his first grade full year report on the band). If I did not think they could handle it I would not take them. A tremendous bonding experience as we have traveled all over together to see the band.
But this is a parental decision and also as a parent you should know that others don't behave like you do and you have to accept it. I do at PJ shows but there are some bands and arenas that I would not take them to.
So I shouldn't be telling them that our venues have seats too ... you know you want to bring them to Europe
So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
I have taken each of my boys to 3 shows each. I would not take them to a GA show (they wanted to go to Europe). EVERYONE around us was terrific to them and I made sure not to spoil someone else's good time either. I got questions on what is that smell, was even offered to take a hit or two (thanks kindly but I stopped that with fatherhood). I know my kids and they are appropriate to go to shows (as a matter of fact my 7 year old knows more about the band than I do, he did his first grade full year report on the band). If I did not think they could handle it I would not take them. A tremendous bonding experience as we have traveled all over together to see the band.
But this is a parental decision and also as a parent you should know that others don't behave like you do and you have to accept it. I do at PJ shows but there are some bands and arenas that I would not take them to.
So I shouldn't be telling them that our venues have seats too ... you know you want to bring them to Europe
I don't agree with taking your kid for your own sake... meaning if you don't take them, you can't go so you drag them along even though they clearly do not want to be there/can't handle the noise/etc. That's just selfish.
BUT... if I had an 8-year-old or something who was a Pearl Jam fan or fan of any other band I liked and I knew they could handle that environment and enjoy it, heck yes I would take them! I've seen little kids rockin' out at shows (most recently MSG II) and was thinking I couldn't wait to have my own kids and get to expose them to awesome music. Hopefully PJ will still be around by that time ha!
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Oh plus my about to be 10 year old wants a guitar for his birthday and the 7 year old wants to play bass like Jeff... They both have tried their hand at writing their own lyrics too...
My son (13) has been to festivals, concerts big and small. He now hates any music I like (especially PJ) and wants me to take him to see Owl City - will have to look them up, not sure who they are :? .
My son (13) has been to festivals, concerts big and small. He now hates any music I like (especially PJ) and wants me to take him to see Owl City - will have to look them up, not sure who they are :? .
As long as you keep your kids safe it's fine.
He'll come around... My first concert was Nickelback when I was thirteen, and by fifteen I was seeing artists like Pearl Jam, David Gilmour, Buddy Guy.
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I think it should be up to the parent on how young is too young for a show. Did anyone critisize Ed when he had his oldest daughter on tour a few years back? I think not. My parents started taking my brother and I to shows when I believe I was no more than 6 or 7 years old and I'm forever grateful to them for those memories. As long as the child is mature enough to sit, behave and enjoy what's the big friggin deal folks???
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Like I said I knew I would get flack over this but the point is being missed entirely. Read the recent reviews of the PJ concerts, bottles being thrown, people jumping from balconies and all the rest of the ignorant behaviour. While some of you might have been taken to concerts when you were young and have turned out to be productive members of society the fact of the matter is that a 2, 6 or 10 year old should be in bed getting a good nights sleep. It always amazes me when it comes to parents and the my kid is fine attitude, if everybody's kids are being brought up well where are all these little scumbags coming from, just yesterday two 15 year olds were arrested for beating a homeless man to death and the direction society is heading backs my argument up. But forget all that because my main point is about life coming at us in stages, I am so glad my parents did not take me to see bands when I was that young, it was a brand new world opening up at what I feel was the right age. The first music show I saw was the Last Waltz with my buddies in a movie theater at the age of 15, my first live concert was at the age of 17 and I cherished it because I could almost understand what was going on, talent of the Pearl Jam scale is a lot to take in. I know a great many fans are in agreement with me over this but will not post because God help you if you criticize peoples parenting skills.
these are kids that cant find any sort of outlet usually. music was my biggest most helpful outlet. music kept me out of trouble and kept me sane. and concerts just helped expand my love for music
I think it should be up to the parent on how young is too young for a show. Did anyone critisize Ed when he had his oldest daughter on tour a few years back? I think not. My parents started taking my brother and I to shows when I believe I was no more than 6 or 7 years old and I'm forever grateful to them for those memories. As long as the child is mature enough to sit, behave and enjoy what's the big friggin deal folks???
i feel like the obvious point in these threads is that the OP is annoyed wtih kids that were not sitting and behaving... i doubt he would feel the need to comment on the issue otherwise...
I think it should be up to the parent on how young is too young for a show. Did anyone critisize Ed when he had his oldest daughter on tour a few years back? I think not. My parents started taking my brother and I to shows when I believe I was no more than 6 or 7 years old and I'm forever grateful to them for those memories. As long as the child is mature enough to sit, behave and enjoy what's the big friggin deal folks???
i feel like the obvious point in these threads is that the OP is annoyed wtih kids that were not sitting and behaving... i doubt he would feel the need to comment on the issue otherwise...
As I have said on more than one occasion the main concern is the safety of these young ones and as to the OP comments, I am a couple of years older than the band members so was not around with the dinosaurs. I would like to add that if you took the majority of under 10's to a Milly Vinilly concert they would jump up and down and have a good time. Again, any place where alcohol is being consumed in copious amounts is no place for young children.
No but get on with them really well, for some reason the young ones and animals trust me, my friends are amazed how their youngsters take to me and when we walk down the street little ones always wave and say hi, people laugh, I've given up wondering about it.
You're saying kids shouldn't be exposed to all kinds of things that go on at concerts (eg. drugs, booze, violence, etc) as it could turn them into little scumbags and thugs. Will you stop smoking dope and drinking when you have kids? Will they not watch TV, movies, news where violence is rife? Will you not let them go to school before a certain age so they are not exposed to all kinds of bad things?
You mention a good night's sleep. It's not like people take their kids to gigs every night. A late night every once in a while doesn't hurt. As a kid, haven't your parents had parties at home that went on late? Maybe you should have been in bed, but as a kid, you're not really sleeping, are you? Have you never had a late night?
If a kid enjoys a gig (and not just saying yes to the parents), fair enough - at whatever age, as long as they are safe.
Though you tried to 'rephrase' things, I believe that your main problem is that it annoys you and you 'can't let your hair down' (smoke dope?). Not sure whether you worry about them - that's the parents' responsibility. They're just in your way.
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this is becomming way too popular if you ask me... it's one thing to bring your kid bc she actually likes the music, but its sad when you see 2 yrs olds half asleep being waved around on some guys shoulders in a glittery "i
As for drugs, alcohol, and other misbehavior there is nothing that they are unaware of or that they wouldn't encounter at a professional sports event either. And somehow I have 100% confidence that my kids have never indulged in any of these behaviors -- in fact I think they just look at the few people who let themselves go to extreme excess and take them for idiots. We have had lots of talks about Ed's drinking and especially his smoking and I think it has provided valuable discussion about people's imperfections and how people we admire in some ways are perfectly capable of behaviors that we don't condone. Again, a good life lesson and one that you can't miss by following the behavior of politicians, athletes, various entertainers, and also religious leaders, educators, and, oh, just about any human being.
Seeing Pearl Jam has brought my wife and I closer to our children and given us all some of the most pleasurable shared experiences we have ever had as a family and memories that I know we will all cherish for the rest of our lives. I would not trade that for anything and really cannot overstate how these experiences have served to bond us together and continue to do so. Other families share different hobbies, activities, interests, this is one of the primary ones that defines who our particular family is.
I have a few legitimate concerns about kids at concerts that have been mentioned but they have virtually nothing to do with the nonsense the OP brought up. I would never let my kids go to unassigned seating. I do worry about their hearing and, quite frankly, think that I have not done enough for them in that regard. I would not feel comfortable letting them go by themselves to a PJ concert, but I don't let them do much of anything that exposes them to thousands of strangers at once without adult supervision. Seems like an individual parental decision to me, but I think that for my kids at least, they overall appreciate that we are concerned about their well-being at all times, more than they resent having some limitations put on their independence.
Lastly, I worry about their being spoiled - they have been front row at PJ 2X, something I had never experienced at any concert until my 40s. They are tremendously appreciative of these experiences, but there is something to be said for working for things on your own in life. Again, this is more a result of the fact that they are able to reap the benefits of privileges we are able to give them in all aspects of their lives that our parents could not give us when we were children. At the same time, parenting has changed from my generation compared to my parents. Parents are much more friends and companions to their children than they were then -- I selfishly would not enjoy the experience of going to a PJ concert as much if I couldn't share it with my kids, just as I want to share it with my wife. In the end, there is no textbook for being a good parent. You just do what seems right for you and your children and hope that through some combination of love and good fortune that everything will work out OK.
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I can understand the 13,14, 15 arguments but when the really young ones get taken to shows it kind of reminds me of the parents entering their children in these beauty pageants. How does a 2 year old child enjoy Pearl Jam or even a 10 year old and yes of course they will say they do because they love their parents and want to hang out with them. Please be careful with your young ones people, there are a lot of lunatics about.
Although 10c tickets are GA in Europe other than festival shows there will be seats in the venue as well. At non festival GA shows venues tend to have an age restriction on who can be allowed on the floor. Typical in the UK is no unaccompanied under 16s, no under 14s at all so any under 14s would have to be in the seats.
Wasn't the case when I was a kid as my first show was me and a couple of friends 3rd row on the floor at 12. Friend's mum waiting in the car park for us ... we had a blast
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Second - the bad behaviour visible at a concert, in my opinion, pales in comparison to the bad behaviour visible in every-day life - be it through television, video games, or just life in general.
Third - having developed a great passion for concerts and all the good that comes from them over the years, I can tell you that as a child, if I knew I was being denied the ability to participate in a meaningful experience because a bunch of adults couldn't behave themselves, this would have probably extended my anti-authoritarian binge I went through as a young teen, and also would've taken away a release a depressed teen really, really needed at the time. I have full confidence that more damage would have been done to me from the point I started seeing concerts (at 13) had I been prevented from seeing shows, rather than being encouraged to experience concerts. In fact, I can tell you I've had nothing but positive experiences at concerts, though I've seen my fair share of poor behaviour.
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I love this... who would we watch... the band couldn't get in the door. LOL... and yes I know (hope) you were being facetious.
GIG KILLING
A man of 38 was stabbed to death after a performance in the park by the Royal Philharmonic Concert Orchestra. He is thought to have been walking to his car with his family when a row broke out with a group of men after the Rotary Club event in Southend, Essex on Saturday night. Police were yesterday quizzing two men aged 18 and 19.
I think that this is a tragedy, but it does show that you cannot put restrictions on certain kinds of performances. Who would have thought that the Royal Philharmonic would be the show that this kind of a thing would happen after. I know that this is not the OP point in anyway, but feel that it is relevant to the idea of not allowing types of people to go to gigs on the off chance of bad things happening. We could all be run over tomorrow and that would not be changed by having youngsters being chaperoned correctly at a rock show. We need to help educate the younger people in our society on how to behave. My neices and nephew were all very impressed on Friday about the fact we were no where near front, but when Ed asked everyone to take three steps back they did at by us as well. This is important to see at a young age because they will learn to respect people around them. Our youngsters that were with us have all said that the experiance was one of the best in their life so far and they cannot wait for PJ to come back.
I think that this has been a great thread and am very impressed with the lack of flaming. Hats of to all contributers!!!!!1
But this is a parental decision and also as a parent you should know that others don't behave like you do and you have to accept it. I do at PJ shows but there are some bands and arenas that I would not take them to.
So I shouldn't be telling them that our venues have seats too
BUT... if I had an 8-year-old or something who was a Pearl Jam fan or fan of any other band I liked and I knew they could handle that environment and enjoy it, heck yes I would take them! I've seen little kids rockin' out at shows (most recently MSG II) and was thinking I couldn't wait to have my own kids and get to expose them to awesome music. Hopefully PJ will still be around by that time ha!
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i feel like the obvious point in these threads is that the OP is annoyed wtih kids that were not sitting and behaving... i doubt he would feel the need to comment on the issue otherwise...
You mention a good night's sleep. It's not like people take their kids to gigs every night. A late night every once in a while doesn't hurt. As a kid, haven't your parents had parties at home that went on late? Maybe you should have been in bed, but as a kid, you're not really sleeping, are you? Have you never had a late night?
If a kid enjoys a gig (and not just saying yes to the parents), fair enough - at whatever age, as long as they are safe.
Though you tried to 'rephrase' things, I believe that your main problem is that it annoys you and you 'can't let your hair down' (smoke dope?). Not sure whether you worry about them - that's the parents' responsibility. They're just in your way.