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If the US ever got involved, you can bet your ass that they're profiting somehow from it. If not, then why not go into darfur? Why let that genocide happen. Aren't they humans? Dnt tell me ,"oh, why should the US play savior for the world?" Why? Because we CAN and SHOULD. We preach human degnity and put on a mask of caring to the world. Well, let's leed by example. Let's HELP because we want to not because we're a corporation now. Maybe if we change the worlds Ora to positive, then possibly the world would be a better place for all of us.........dnt hold your breath.0
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seems most of the rest of the world wouldnt be too keen on your idea. just read your first sentence. most would assume the same and act accordingly. and remember Somalia? that didnt go so well.badbrains wrote:If the US ever got involved, you can bet your ass that they're profiting somehow from it. If not, then why not go into darfur? Why let that genocide happen. Aren't they humans? Dnt tell me ,"oh, why should the US play savior for the world?" Why? Because we CAN and SHOULD. We preach human degnity and put on a mask of caring to the world. Well, let's leed by example. Let's HELP because we want to not because we're a corporation now. Maybe if we change the worlds Ora to positive, then possibly the world would be a better place for all of us.........dnt hold your breath.0 -
no you didn't. get pissed at me all you want, you didnt answer his question.[/quote]MrSmith wrote:I answered the fucking question. I suggest you open your fucking eyes, genius.
This was his question:rebornFixer wrote:How did the US prevent African nations from taking action, exactly?
And this was my answer:Byrnzie wrote:Many African nations supported the Hutu's.
The U.S didn't prevent African nations from taking action, because most African nations had no interest in taking any action in the first place, for various reasons associated with regional differences and Africa's colonial past. The onus was therefore on the U.N to intervene, which the U.S prevented it from doing, despite the U.N Peacekeepers on the ground asking for permission to act.
And, yes, I read the article. Did you? It shows Bill Clinton's reluctance to offer any assistance, and how he chose to ignore the warnings and advice from those involved.0 -
Mr smith, dude, you know I'm right. You can't be that big of a sheep. I hope to believe that everybody wouldn't be so blind towards there leaders. I'm not saying agree with everything I post but please tell me you know te truth. Or atleast a little of it....0
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im not saying you're wrong. but i think you are naive to think we wouldnt be blamed for the thousands of deaths that would be caused if they decided to fight back like in Somalia. people like Bymzie would jump all over it.badbrains wrote:Mr smith, dude, you know I'm right. You can't be that big of a sheep. I hope to believe that everybody wouldn't be so blind towards there leaders. I'm not saying agree with everything I post but please tell me you know te truth. Or atleast a little of it....0 -
MrSmith wrote:seems most of the rest of the world wouldnt be too keen on your idea.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwanda
'The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.'0 -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwandaByrnzie wrote:MrSmith wrote:seems most of the rest of the world wouldnt be too keen on your idea.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/31/usa.rwanda
'The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.'
'The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.0 -
MrSmith wrote:im not saying you're wrong. but i think you are naive to think we wouldnt be blamed for the thousands of deaths that would be caused if they decided to fight back like in Somalia. people like Bymzie would jump all over it.
Nobody was asking for U.S troops to go in to Rwanada, genius. There were already U.N troops on the ground there, mostly Dutch if I'm not mistaken.
Stop twisting things in your desperate attempt to attack me.Post edited by Byrnzie on0 -
MrSmith wrote:'The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.
Like I said, no one was asking the U.S to intervene, but to allow the U.N to do it's job. Get it?
Also, you can't really take the issue of Somalia too seriously when you take into account the U.S's later zealousness in attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Kind of blows the notion that they weren't willing to get sucked into another regional conflict out of the water.0 -
dont you mean, as your posted article states, "the token force of overwhelmed UN peacekeepers "?Byrnzie wrote:MrSmith wrote:im not saying you're wrong. but i think you are naive to think we wouldnt be blamed for the thousands of deaths that would be caused if they decided to fight back like in Somalia. people like Bymzie would jump all over it.
Nobody was asking for U.S troops to go in to Rwanada, genius. There were already U.N troops on the ground there, mostly Dutch if I'm not mistaken.
Stop twisting things in your desperate attempt to attack me.
of course American troops would need to be involved. like i said before, and you argued against, American military almost always used when the UN or NATO needs something, which is why many European countries can afford not keep large armies.
and i dont have to twist anything to expose you. you are a mini George Bush. you see the world in black and white, good and evil. being a contrarian makes you no more objective than a foxnews watching sheep. you arent capable of objectivity.0 -
different president, different public support, different mission.Byrnzie wrote:MrSmith wrote:'The administration did not want to repeat the fiasco of US intervention in Somalia, where US troops became sucked into fighting. It also felt the US had no interests in Rwanda, a small central African country with no minerals or strategic value.
Like I said, no one was asking the U.S to intervene, but to allow the U.N to do it's job. Get it?
Also, you can't really take the issue of Somalia too seriously when you take into account the U.S's later zealousness in attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Kind of blows the notion that they weren't willing to get sucked into another regional conflict out of the water.
you seem to be under the impression that im some sort of flag waving go team America type. just because i dont think the US is the great Satan doesnt mean i think we are the shining beacon of freedom either. the Iraq war is a despicable illegal action and people should be in jail for it, and Afghanistan is, at best, pointless. Israel sucks (but its not like that place hasnt been forcefully occupied by different nations a million times, including the ones who were doing it before WWII, so they are hardly unique) There is no war on terror. i know you like to make broad generalizations of people, as either good or evil, especially Americans, but you really have no idea what you are talking about most of the time.0 -
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im not saying you're wrong. but i think you are naive to think we wouldnt be blamed for the thousands of deaths that would be caused if they decided to fight back like in Somalia. people like Bymzie would jump all over it.badbrains wrote:Mr smith, dude, you know I'm right. You can't be that big of a sheep. I hope to believe that everybody wouldn't be so blind towards there leaders. I'm not saying agree with everything I post but please tell me you know te truth. Or atleast a little of it....
I think you got byrnzie wrong. That dude cares, I think because he wears his passion on his sleeve, some people take it the wrong way. He's always putting information out for all to read. Info that the media DECIDES to ommit. It's up to you to do with it as you please. I think byrnzie just wants people to read between the lines. To use your brain and to search for the truth. You may not think everything he writes is right but atleast he gets you to use your mind. Byrnzies' a good guy, cares for humans, and it doesn't matter what religion you are to him. Wrong is wrong, wether you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, and or atheist.0 -
i hope you're right. i gotta get back to work now.badbrains wrote:MrSmith wrote:
im not saying you're wrong. but i think you are naive to think we wouldnt be blamed for the thousands of deaths that would be caused if they decided to fight back like in Somalia. people like Bymzie would jump all over it.badbrains wrote:Mr smith, dude, you know I'm right. You can't be that big of a sheep. I hope to believe that everybody wouldn't be so blind towards there leaders. I'm not saying agree with everything I post but please tell me you know te truth. Or atleast a little of it....
I think you got byrnzie wrong. That dude cares, I think because he wears his passion on his sleeve, some people take it the wrong way. He's always putting information out for all to read. Info that the media DECIDES to ommit. It's up to you to do with it as you please. I think byrnzie just wants people to read between the lines. To use your brain and to search for the truth. You may not think everything he writes is right but atleast he gets you to use your mind. Byrnzies' a good guy, cares for humans, and it doesn't matter what religion you are to him. Wrong is wrong, wether you're a Christian, Jew or Muslim, and or atheist.
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MrSmith wrote:you seem to be under the impression that im some sort of flag waving go team America type. just because i dont think the US is the great Satan doesnt mean i think we are the shining beacon of freedom either. the Iraq war is a despicable illegal action and people should be in jail for it, and Afghanistan is, at best, pointless. i know you like to make broad generalizations of people, as either good or evil, especially Americans, but you really have no idea what you are talking about most of the time.
I didn't say America was the Great Satan. Those are your words, which you've now used twice in this thread.
Sure, Europe would be defenceless without the benevolence of the mighty U.S army. We only have little armies that wouldn't be capable of defending themselves in any major war. Just make sure you forget the fact that the British defeated the Argentine Army without any help from the almighty U.S.
And when did I ever say all Americans are evil?
Keep baiting me, asshole. Getting banned from this place is of little concern to me now that it seems to be dominated largely by slippery jackasses like you, with personal grudges against me.0 -
dont get mad at me because i dont fit into your narrow world view.Byrnzie wrote:MrSmith wrote:you seem to be under the impression that im some sort of flag waving go team America type. just because i dont think the US is the great Satan doesnt mean i think we are the shining beacon of freedom either. the Iraq war is a despicable illegal action and people should be in jail for it, and Afghanistan is, at best, pointless. i know you like to make broad generalizations of people, as either good or evil, especially Americans, but you really have no idea what you are talking about most of the time.
I didn't say America was the Great Satan. Those are your words, which you've now used twice in this thread.
Sure, Europe would be defenceless without the benevolence of the mighty U.S army. We only have little armies that wouldn't be capable of defending themselves in any major war. Just make sure you forget the fact that the British defeated the Argentine Army without any help from the almighty U.S.
And when did I ever say all Americans are evil?
Keep baiting me, asshole. Getting banned from this place is of little concern to me now that it seems to be dominated largely by slippery jackasses like you, with personal grudges against me. 0 -
Byrnzie wrote:mikepegg44 wrote:How can you not have a favorite US president? You seem to be an expert in the US government and all its dealings, how can you not, at the very least, have one you don't dislike as much as the others?
O.k, Jimmy Carter.
I knew there had to be ONE!!that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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