best Drum Song?

dimitrispearljam · April 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

Off the top of my head:

SOLAT (Dave's version - not other changed versions)
Grievance
Blood (Dave's version - not other changed versions)
Porch (Dave's version)
Johnny Guitar

from u i expect to mention,God's dice and Ghost

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SavedFucker · April 2010

rats

Abe Froman · April 2010

In My Tree
Grievance
Blood
Spin The Black Circle
Got Some

BinFrog · April 2010

In addition to some great picks already:

Whipping

DangDang · April 2010

Cropduster, No?

Matt plays killer drums. He plays so "offish" like a fraction beat off, I love it. I don't know how he can concentrate on some songs as he sounds as if he's playing drums for another song. GOOD for us, it sounds great! But I don't know how he can do it.

CJMST3K · April 2010

DangDang wrote:

some songs as he sounds as if he's playing drums for another song..

It sounds awesome with Soundgarden songs, and recent PJ songs. I tremendously dislike it for the music that was previous to his joining. But you did put it accurately - When listening to a song, it sounds like he's playing drums for another song. Thusly, Evenflow and a number of other early songs are now a bathroom breaks for me.... :?

AG59597 · April 2010

in sig niii fi caaaaaance!

Stypo420 · April 2010

Niko80 wrote:

Red_Dot wrote:

Go

Go is great! I'd say that VS is the album that has the best drums on any pj album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1oKyxwtcU

+1 the druming on all of VS is excelent the opening GO is sick plain and simpl sick. :ugeek:

CJMST3K · April 2010

lgoose420 wrote:

Niko80 wrote:

Red_Dot wrote:

Go

Go is great! I'd say that VS is the album that has the best drums on any pj album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf1oKyxwtcU

+1 the druming on all of VS is excelent the opening GO is sick plain and simpl sick. :ugeek:

I love playing drums along to VS.

MysteryTrain · April 2010

Unemployable is the most standout track for me
WMA
In My Tree

And then you have some odd time signatures:
Grievance
The Fixer
In The Moonlight

DangDang · April 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

DangDang wrote:

some songs as he sounds as if he's playing drums for another song..

It sounds awesome with Soundgarden songs, and recent PJ songs. I tremendously dislike it for the music that was previous to his joining. But you did put it accurately - When listening to a song, it sounds like he's playing drums for another song. Thusly, Evenflow and a number of other early songs are now a bathroom breaks for me.... :?

I see, that particular style fits with song that were "composed" while he was a member, but you don't think it fits with pre-Cameron PJ songs? (What a :!: I am, I don't think I noticed).

Also, I always thought that playing drums "up" would seem more natural & better-timing to me, that is, imagine sitting in front of drum set that hung upside down from the ceiling so that instead of "hitting down" a drum stick to hit a drum, you would instead flick up to hit the drums/cymbols, exception for the bass drum & high hat of course.

Matt's playing sounds like I imagine playing drums up would sound.

Brownie9160 · April 2010

Matt has some awesome fills on Save You

CJMST3K · April 2010

DangDang wrote:

I see, that particular style fits with song that were "composed" while he was a member, but you don't think it fits with pre-Cameron PJ songs? (What a :!: I am, I don't think I noticed).

Songs like Evenflow, SOLAT, Blood, Rats and a number of other songs used to be my favorite to hear. There was a lively sound to them, and an urgency. It was like lightning. Matt plays them in his own way like he doesn't care to learn how they went, or that it's outside of his comfort zone, so he just plays whatever or however.

His own drumming on his own songs is pure brilliance! His playing on a lot of the earlier catalog is not.

Here's a drummer-by-drummer comparison I did a year ago about Blood. It's the 5th post down.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=95437&hilit=abbruzzese+irons&start=75

DangDang wrote:

Also, I always thought that playing drums "up" would seem more natural & better-timing to me, that is, imagine sitting in front of drum set that hung upside down from the ceiling so that instead of "hitting down" a drum stick to hit a drum, you would instead flick up to hit the drums/cymbols, exception for the bass drum & high hat of course.

Matt's playing sounds like I imagine playing drums up would sound.

I think you're referring to him playing off timing, correct? Like hitting a cymbal a little before you'd expect it to come in?

When I saw Matt years ago play Wishlist on Letterman, I loved his odd-timed cymbal hits on that song. I liked it, and was looking forward to hearing what he added to the band. But, over time, on so many songs, the effect is somewhat tiresome. And the way he changed a lot of the songs up that I used to love... made me long for the original music that inspired me. But again, his new stuff is great.

Here's the Wishlist I'm referring to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wH6gkhirhw

megatron · April 2010

my favorite for sure is given to fly live on 2 legs... does matt not try anymore on this song. or is it just me? he doesn't seem to do those kinds of fills anymore. i'm not a drummer so i have no idea what i'm talking about

thanks

CJMST3K · April 2010

jones wrote:

my favorite for sure is given to fly live on 2 legs... does matt not try anymore on this song. or is it just me? he doesn't seem to do those kinds of fills anymore. i'm not a drummer so i have no idea what i'm talking about

thanks

Probably some differences on fills. I know he doesn't hit the snare much anymore, and he just whacks away at the toms... the snare hits anchored the song, so it no longer feels the same as they way he used to play it, which was similar to the way Jack played it. Here's what I mean...

Listen to 1:41 to 1:53... and clap your hands along with the SNARE drum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCmxkeeYks

Now listen to 1:36 to 1:46... and try to clap along with the snare drum... you can't... it was eliminated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjCaRXZxRYM

DangDang · April 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

jones wrote:

my favorite for sure is given to fly live on 2 legs... does matt not try anymore on this song. or is it just me? he doesn't seem to do those kinds of fills anymore. i'm not a drummer so i have no idea what i'm talking about

thanks

Probably some differences on fills. I know he doesn't hit the snare much anymore, and he just whacks away at the toms... the snare hits anchored the song, so it no longer feels the same as they way he used to play it, which was similar to the way Jack played it. Here's what I mean...

Listen to 1:41 to 1:53... and clap your hands along with the SNARE drum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCmxkeeYks

Now listen to 1:36 to 1:46... and try to clap along with the snare drum... you can't... it was eliminated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjCaRXZxRYM

I kind of like less snares better, although the 2008 video above had a weird sounding (bwow) sound--personally, I've heard better drum versions than those both.

Ironically my 8-yr old just came up behind me & started playing drums on my back while I was watching those videos. Strange, isn't it.

There's only two drummers I've heard that stood far out from the "background/backbeat" of most songs & that's Keith Moon & Cameron.

I don't care if Cameron plays different for every version of any song. It adds to it.

Some songs he adds a wheel. As if the drum sounds go around in a wheel Do yas know what I mean? At the 10-28-09 show, I forget what song, but the usual wheel wasn't there & Vedder turns around & signaled "do that wheel thing" & then the wheel entered.

DangDang · April 2010

CJMST3K wrote:

DangDang wrote:

Also, I always thought that playing drums "up" would seem more natural & better-timing to me, that is, imagine sitting in front of drum set that hung upside down from the ceiling so that instead of "hitting down" a drum stick to hit a drum, you would instead flick up to hit the drums/cymbols, exception for the bass drum & high hat of course.

Matt's playing sounds like I imagine playing drums up would sound.

I think you're referring to him playing off timing, correct? Like hitting a cymbal a little before you'd expect it to come in?

Yes--timing just a fraction second off.

And also playing drums up would be cool, no? Or is it just me? :wtf:

And the drums wouldn't "hang" from the ceiling because then they would swing, but the drums would be however suspended so that you hit up on them rather than down on them. Fatigue & feasibility NOT considered :roll:

CJMST3K · May 2010

DangDang wrote:

CJMST3K wrote:

DangDang wrote:

Also, I always thought that playing drums "up" would seem more natural & better-timing to me, that is, imagine sitting in front of drum set that hung upside down from the ceiling so that instead of "hitting down" a drum stick to hit a drum, you would instead flick up to hit the drums/cymbols, exception for the bass drum & high hat of course.

Matt's playing sounds like I imagine playing drums up would sound.

I think you're referring to him playing off timing, correct? Like hitting a cymbal a little before you'd expect it to come in?

Yes--timing just a fraction second off.

And also playing drums up would be cool, no? Or is it just me? :wtf:

And the drums wouldn't "hang" from the ceiling because then they would swing, but the drums would be however suspended so that you hit up on them rather than down on them. Fatigue & feasibility NOT considered :roll:

tommy lee had a rotating drumset that flipped upsidedown.

BinFrog · May 2010

DangDang wrote:

There's only two drummers I've heard that stood far out from the "background/backbeat" of most songs & that's Keith Moon & Cameron.

Others along those lines (in rock):

Neil Peart
John Bonham
Jimmy Chamberlain
Tim Alexander
Danny Carey

CJMST3K · May 2010

BinFrog wrote:

DangDang wrote:

There's only two drummers I've heard that stood far out from the "background/backbeat" of most songs & that's Keith Moon & Cameron.

Others along those lines (in rock):

Neil Peart
John Bonham
Jimmy Chamberlain
Tim Alexander
Danny Carey

Jimmy Chamberlain is like a perfect merging of Cameron and Abbruzzese. He's not too heavy on the toms or odd timing, and not too splashy on the cymbals.

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