Trophy Grizzly Hunt
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haffajappa wrote:in fact as i've matured as an animal lover i understand the morality is probably higher to hunt an animal than eat one out of a slaughter house.
thank you. this is the one single point i would make to anyone who is blanketly opposed to all hunting. not that i'm saying anyone here is saying that.0 -
I ironically feel the exact opposite. I feel that in today's age, it is less a necessity to hunt as food is more readily available - so hunting isn't required. I think on practical terms, we should all merely aim to keep these things within a fair and reasonable manner.. .whether it's weapons, killing animals or even responsible ways to kill in slaughter houses. The extremism is unnecessary - whether a hunter using some ridiculous weapon to do so or the opposite of killing no animals in any manner of society.dpmay wrote:haffajappa wrote:in fact as i've matured as an animal lover i understand the morality is probably higher to hunt an animal than eat one out of a slaughter house.
thank you. this is the one single point i would make to anyone who is blanketly opposed to all hunting. not that i'm saying anyone here is saying that.CONservative governMENt
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FiveB247x wrote:I ironically feel the exact opposite. I feel that in today's age, it is less a necessity to hunt as food is more readily available - so hunting isn't required. I think on practical terms, we should all merely aim to keep these things within a fair and reasonable manner.. .whether it's weapons, killing animals or even responsible ways to kill in slaughter houses. The extremism is unnecessary - whether a hunter using some ridiculous weapon to do so or the opposite of killing no animals in any manner of society.
i can understand your point and i wouldn't argue that that there's a great need for hunting in modern society. however, if a human is going to situate themself at the top of the food chain and eat meat, and many do, it's worth thinking about what this means. for me, hunting is a way to take on the responsibility, and yes guilt, of being responsible for the taking of life to eat. for me, buying meat doesn't offer the same awareness of what meat really is.
as the OP, i do believe hunting solely for sport is shitty.0 -
on a similar note ... i just got back from hiking in the smoky mountains ... it's spring so the black bears are out ... it was annoying the fuck out of me tho when stupid tourists were trying to get real close to them to take pictures ... i mean - fuck, park at the side of the road ... fine, but do you have to go and pester them just so you can get a good picture? ...0
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Hunting for survival or defense is one thing, but trophy hunting is just wrong. Especially trophy hunting of species that are threatened or endangered like most of the remaining top predators. Reminds me of a passage from A Sand County Almanac about a wolf hunt the author was on as a young man.
"We were eating lunch on a high rimrock, at the foot of which a turbulent river elbowed its way. We saw what we thought was a doe fording the torrent, her breast awash in white water. When she climbed the bank toward us and shook out her tail, we realized our error: it was a wolf. A half-dozen others, evidently grown pups, sprang from the willows and all joined in a welcoming melee of wagging tails and playful maulings. What was literally a pile of wolves writhed and tumbled in the center of an open flat at the foot of our rimrock.
In those days we had never heard of passing up a chance to kill a wolf. In a second we were pumping lead into the pack, but with more excitement than accuracy; how to aim a steep downhill shot is always confusing. When our rifles were empty, the old wolf was down, and a pup was dragging a leg into impassable side-rocks.
We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes—something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view."0 -
gabers wrote:Hunting for survival or defense is one thing, but trophy hunting is just wrong. Especially trophy hunting of species that are threatened or endangered like most of the remaining top predators. Reminds me of a passage from A Sand County Almanac about a wolf hunt the author was on as a young man.
"We were eating lunch on a high rimrock, at the foot of which a turbulent river elbowed its way. We saw what we thought was a doe fording the torrent, her breast awash in white water. When she climbed the bank toward us and shook out her tail, we realized our error: it was a wolf. A half-dozen others, evidently grown pups, sprang from the willows and all joined in a welcoming melee of wagging tails and playful maulings. What was literally a pile of wolves writhed and tumbled in the center of an open flat at the foot of our rimrock.
In those days we had never heard of passing up a chance to kill a wolf. In a second we were pumping lead into the pack, but with more excitement than accuracy; how to aim a steep downhill shot is always confusing. When our rifles were empty, the old wolf was down, and a pup was dragging a leg into impassable side-rocks.
We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes—something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view."
wolves are my favourite animal..........................
good interpretation though...
do people really have the idea that they should wipe out the wolf population for a hunters paradise? :shock:live pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
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haffajappa wrote:
well in your mind evolved enough to have the right to "take over the world"mikepegg44 wrote:haffajappa wrote:OH YES. right, that whole, God made us the be all and end all, the smartest and most evolved creature in the world, the end of the line when it comes to perfection... :roll: :roll: :roll:
The difference between us and gorillas chimps dolphins house cats or whatever else is that we kill for sport and not for sustenance.
What makes you think bears are over populated??
Because we shoot so many that are in "our" area? Because some idiot has been feeding it blueberry muffins and it attacked a neighbour because the neighbour was dumb enough to throw rocks at it while it was minding its own business? (This is a true story btw... and if that is some sort of idea of evolutionary genius, to throw rocks at a bear i don't have much hope for humans)
at what point did i say anything about god. I said our species is more evolved, and that is the truth. Sorry if you don't like it. fuck yourself for thinking that hunters are all evil. Oh and by the way, chimps kill for no reason other than to kill. Like I said earlier, no one is stopping you from not living anymore. It isn't just about bears, it is all wildlife. DNR officials do a great job in population management. Conservationist and hunter are not mutually exclusive, but think what you want. I hope to god you are a vegan, otherwise this hardcore stance of yours really is hypocritical.
and like I said that you IGNORED completely because it runs counter to your hatred of hunters. Game donations to food shelves have fed literally millions of people. Care to respond to that?
and by the way unless you have missed MY points, i never said all hunters are evil.
i said those who kill for enjoyment are scum. details details details!
i don't know about food being distributed to store shelves, i've never seen canned bear in my supermarket. i'm sorry, do you live in this area? or do you know about the bears here that have been poached just so their paws could be used for ancient medicine? i dont know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but this is what goes on in mine. i can't speak for where you live.
the point of this thread is killing for sake of killing... i wasn't trying to offend your little hunting way of life.
but you can keep telling me to go fuck myself if it makes you feel any better.
foodshelves, you know the ones who feed homeless and underprivileged people in the US... not donated to the local supermarket.
Most of it is by trophy hunters who only like to hunt for the sport. Seems pretty reasonable to me, it isn't like hunters shoot a bear, skin it, and then leave it in the woods. I don't know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but only asshole poachers do that sort of thing. You certainly made it seem that hate hunting in general, so I apologize, but I am sick of people thinking that the only people hunting are in overalls and are toothless rednecks with a confederate flag on their F-350(the one with duallies of course).that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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I know people who hunt... if it is even called 'hunting' any more. It's more like 'Deer Fishing'. You sit in a tree with a 30.06 and place some deer bait (deer poontang) and wait. When the male deer comes in, thinking he's gonna get laid... BAM!!! You shoot him in the head, at close range, execution style.
Nothing wrong with that... if you're gonna kill it, you gotta grill it. Deer meat is a bit gamey, but pretty good.
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But, killing just to kill. Okay... if you are going to track the animal in his woods and try to take him out with one shot. If you wound him... you gotta track him down and kill him, instead of just leaving him to die because of your poor marksmanship.
As for bear hunting for sport... you want to make a sport out of it? Okay, leave the Remington at home and take him on with a knife. That is a fair fight and can be called a sport.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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haffajappa wrote:
OH YES. right, that whole, God made us the be all and end all, the smartest and most evolved creature in the world, the end of the line when it comes to perfection... :roll: :roll: :roll:
The difference between us and gorillas chimps dolphins house cats or whatever else is that we kill for sport and not for sustenance.
What makes you think bears are over populated??
Because we shoot so many that are in "our" area? Because some idiot has been feeding it blueberry muffins and it attacked a neighbour because the neighbour was dumb enough to throw rocks at it while it was minding its own business? (This is a true story btw... and if that is some sort of idea of evolutionary genius, to throw rocks at a bear i don't have much hope for humans)
Orcas (the biggest dolphins) will actually beat the daylights out of a baby seal...and then let it go. Chimps will hunt down a member of another group from time to time and beat him to death or within an inch of his life, too. Is it for sport, though? Maybe not as the orcas may be teaching others how to hunt and the chimps may be sending a message to other groups, but it is interesting to find such purposeful violence in the "animal" kingdom."First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
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...dpmay wrote:Cosmo wrote:BAM!!! You shoot him in the head, at close range, execution style.
man, i don't know any hunters who would think a head shot on a big animal is a good shot.
I admit... I don't know much about that.
So... where do you shoot them when you're Deer Fishing? Do you shoot them in the knee cap... jump off of the ladder and pummel them with baseball bats? What?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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interesting because others understood my stance on the differences in hunting.mikepegg44 wrote:
foodshelves, you know the ones who feed homeless and underprivileged people in the US... not donated to the local supermarket.
Most of it is by trophy hunters who only like to hunt for the sport. Seems pretty reasonable to me, it isn't like hunters shoot a bear, skin it, and then leave it in the woods. I don't know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but only asshole poachers do that sort of thing. You certainly made it seem that hate hunting in general, so I apologize, but I am sick of people thinking that the only people hunting are in overalls and are toothless rednecks with a confederate flag on their F-350(the one with duallies of course).
and we don't call it "foodshelves" here - at least i've never heard of it called htat.
and its the fact that they get such ENJOYMENT out of killing that is the sad part.
i dont know of any hunters who do it the old fashioned way with spears and bows and arrowslive pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
Cosmo wrote:I know people who hunt... if it is even called 'hunting' any more. It's more like 'Deer Fishing'. You sit in a tree with a 30.06 and place some deer bait (deer poontang) and wait. When the male deer comes in, thinking he's gonna get laid... BAM!!! You shoot him in the head, at close range, execution style.
Nothing wrong with that... if you're gonna kill it, you gotta grill it. Deer meat is a bit gamey, but pretty good.
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But, killing just to kill. Okay... if you are going to track the animal in his woods and try to take him out with one shot. If you wound him... you gotta track him down and kill him, instead of just leaving him to die because of your poor marksmanship.
As for bear hunting for sport... you want to make a sport out of it? Okay, leave the Remington at home and take him on with a knife. That is a fair fight and can be called a sport.
Cosmo, I agree. But I think even the knife is cheating a bit. You're only a real hunter if you can sneak up behind the poor bastard and get it in a headlock to take it down.
shooting a defensless animal with a gun for fun is just cowardly in my opinion.Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)0 -
haffajappa wrote:
interesting because others understood my stance on the differences in hunting.mikepegg44 wrote:
foodshelves, you know the ones who feed homeless and underprivileged people in the US... not donated to the local supermarket.
Most of it is by trophy hunters who only like to hunt for the sport. Seems pretty reasonable to me, it isn't like hunters shoot a bear, skin it, and then leave it in the woods. I don't know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but only asshole poachers do that sort of thing. You certainly made it seem that hate hunting in general, so I apologize, but I am sick of people thinking that the only people hunting are in overalls and are toothless rednecks with a confederate flag on their F-350(the one with duallies of course).
and we don't call it "foodshelves" here - at least i've never heard of it called htat.
and its the fact that they get such ENJOYMENT out of killing that is the sad part.
i dont know of any hunters who do it the old fashioned way with spears and bows and arrows
Bow Hunting is HUGE!!!! in the states anyway, maybe not where you live, but I would venture to guess. In fact it is the only hunting that most of my friends do. It is really fun, it isn't all just about the killing. But to each their ownthat’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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Smellyman wrote:
well, i suppose there is that. but i think it's easier to aim for a larger part of the animal. i can't believe i'm in this conversation here...0 -
Cosmo wrote:
...dpmay wrote:Cosmo wrote:BAM!!! You shoot him in the head, at close range, execution style.
man, i don't know any hunters who would think a head shot on a big animal is a good shot.
I admit... I don't know much about that.
So... where do you shoot them when you're Deer Fishing? Do you shoot them in the knee cap... jump off of the ladder and pummel them with baseball bats? What?
Just above the shoulder and over a little bit. Puts it through the lungs. That's how they teach us in hunting school up heeya in maine.....ayuh.
And just for the record, not much of my deeyah goes to waste mmmmm yummmmy.Post edited by OnTheEdge on0 -
mikepegg44 wrote:haffajappa wrote:
interesting because others understood my stance on the differences in hunting.mikepegg44 wrote:
foodshelves, you know the ones who feed homeless and underprivileged people in the US... not donated to the local supermarket.
Most of it is by trophy hunters who only like to hunt for the sport. Seems pretty reasonable to me, it isn't like hunters shoot a bear, skin it, and then leave it in the woods. I don't know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but only asshole poachers do that sort of thing. You certainly made it seem that hate hunting in general, so I apologize, but I am sick of people thinking that the only people hunting are in overalls and are toothless rednecks with a confederate flag on their F-350(the one with duallies of course).
and we don't call it "foodshelves" here - at least i've never heard of it called htat.
and its the fact that they get such ENJOYMENT out of killing that is the sad part.
i dont know of any hunters who do it the old fashioned way with spears and bows and arrows
Bow Hunting is HUGE!!!! in the states anyway, maybe not where you live, but I would venture to guess. In fact it is the only hunting that most of my friends do. It is really fun, it isn't all just about the killing. But to each their own
I haven't picked up bow hunting yet. But I probably will...........................................after Obama takes my guns 0
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