Trophy Grizzly Hunt
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Nothing like a bunch of "men" killing beautiful majestic mammals for nothing other than to make them into a rug. Just so they can be Soooooooooooooooooooo "manly" and compensate for their TINY penises.
I'd like nothing more than to bring Gordon Campbell out to our west coast rainforest and smother him in the juice of canned tuna and tie him to a tree and wait for the bears to finish him off. Arrogant fucking prick he is. Thanks for bringing this legislation in ass hole.
AHHH!!!
rant over.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... 1/20100401
Too many grizzlies killed in B.C. trophy hunt: report
A grizzly bear makes his way along the waters edge in the Khutzemateen Valley in northern British Columbia. (Jonathan Hayward / THE CANADIAN PRESS)
The Canadian Press
Date: Thursday Apr. 1, 2010 7:27 PM ET
VANCOUVER — British Columbia's controversial annual grizzly bear hunt leaves more of the animals dead than even the province's own wildlife guidelines allow, claims a new report by the David Suzuki Foundation that once again calls on the government to curb the trophy hunt.
The report was released Thursday -- on the first day of this year's grizzly hunt when hundreds of the bears will be killed by trophy hunters around the province, something critics have maintained is unsustainable and must stop.
"This is new science that really questions the sustainability of the hunt," Faisal Moola of the foundation said in an interview.
"This is a disaster in the waiting. If we do not act to protect the species given what we know about its vulnerabilities, we may no longer have bears."
The report uses provincial government records to examine the number of grizzly bears that were killed by humans between 2004 and 2008 and compares them with the province's own limits for what it calls the allowable human-caused mortality rate.
B.C.'s grizzly bears are divided into 57 different population areas.
The report says in 20 of those areas, hunting alone accounted for more grizzly deaths than the province's allowable mortality rates at least once during the five-year period of the study.
When combined with other human-caused grizzly deaths -- including legal kills by wildlife management officials and illegal poaching -- the mortality rates were exceeded at least once in 36 areas, or 63 per cent.
That higher number, said Moola, is the most important, because it shows that too many bears are killed even when the hunt doesn't push the grizzly deaths over the limits.
"You can't look at trophy hunting in isolation -- you have to look at trophy hunting in addition to the other sources of human-caused mortality," said Moola.
"What the study shows is that if you removed trophy hunting from the picture, you would actually drop the mortality rate below what the government thinks is sustainable."
The report is accompanied by a letter to Premier Gordon Campbell, signed by eight grizzly bear experts from Canada and the United States, urging the provincial government to establish a provincewide network of no-hunting zones.
British Columbia is estimated to be home to half of all grizzlies in Canada, and a quarter of the North American grizzly population.
B.C.'s grizzlies are considered a species of "special concern" by both the federal and provincial governments because of their slow reproductive rates and susceptibility to human activities.
Grizzly hunting is restricted in parts of the province, but every year a trophy hunt opens up throughout much of British Columbia during the spring and fall. The David Suzuki Foundation report estimates that, since 2001, an average of 253 bears a year have been killed by hunters in B.C.
There have been perennial calls for the hunt to be scrapped, but the Liberal government has consistently rejected those calls, arguing the hunt is sustainable and properly managed.
In 2001, the NDP government of the day implemented a moratorium on grizzly hunting, but that was overturned a few months later after the Liberals took power.
Environment Minister Barry Penner issued a written statement defending the province's grizzly management policies, insisting hunting wouldn't be allowed if it jeopardized the bear population.
Penner, who acknowledged he hadn't read the report and has told his ministry staff to review it, said the mortality rates set by the province are stricter than the standards recommended by peer-reviewed scientific studies of the region's grizzly population.
"Our record on grizzly bear population management is strong," he said.
"The independent Grizzly Bear Scientific Panel, comprised of independent bear experts appointed on the recommendation of the International Association for Bear Research and Management, confirmed that B.C.'s grizzly bear management approach is effective and that our population estimates are sound. "
He also noted the province has closed almost two million hectares of land to grizzly hunting along the North and Central Coasts, and there are other strict no-kill zones elsewhere in the province.
Hunting and outfitting groups sent out their own news releases responding to the report, challenging the study's conclusions and defending the hunt as sustainable and important to the province's economy.
Mel Arnold of the B.C. Wildlife Federation, which represents hunters and anglers, said harvest rates are set over five-year periods, so it's wrong to point to figures from a single year as evidence that too many bears were killed.
"They (the five-year averages) may fall above it in some areas, and if that is the case, we would support adjustments being made," Arnold said in an interview.
"Hunting and trapping is part of the heritage that built this country, and it's part of our culture."
There are differing opinions on the health of bear populations in British Columbia, and conservation groups such as the David Suzuki Foundation suggest the government's current methods to estimate how bears are actually roaming the wilderness are flawed.
Alberta placed a moratorium on grizzly bear hunting in 2006, and is currently examining whether to keep the ban or revisit the issue.
Last year, the Manitoba government added grizzly bears to a list of species protected under the provincial wildlife act.
Grizzly bears have been extinct from Manitoba for a century, but migrant bears from Nunavut have been spotted, raising hopes the species is making a return
I'd like nothing more than to bring Gordon Campbell out to our west coast rainforest and smother him in the juice of canned tuna and tie him to a tree and wait for the bears to finish him off. Arrogant fucking prick he is. Thanks for bringing this legislation in ass hole.
AHHH!!!
rant over.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... 1/20100401
Too many grizzlies killed in B.C. trophy hunt: report
A grizzly bear makes his way along the waters edge in the Khutzemateen Valley in northern British Columbia. (Jonathan Hayward / THE CANADIAN PRESS)The Canadian Press
Date: Thursday Apr. 1, 2010 7:27 PM ET
VANCOUVER — British Columbia's controversial annual grizzly bear hunt leaves more of the animals dead than even the province's own wildlife guidelines allow, claims a new report by the David Suzuki Foundation that once again calls on the government to curb the trophy hunt.
The report was released Thursday -- on the first day of this year's grizzly hunt when hundreds of the bears will be killed by trophy hunters around the province, something critics have maintained is unsustainable and must stop.
"This is new science that really questions the sustainability of the hunt," Faisal Moola of the foundation said in an interview.
"This is a disaster in the waiting. If we do not act to protect the species given what we know about its vulnerabilities, we may no longer have bears."
The report uses provincial government records to examine the number of grizzly bears that were killed by humans between 2004 and 2008 and compares them with the province's own limits for what it calls the allowable human-caused mortality rate.
B.C.'s grizzly bears are divided into 57 different population areas.
The report says in 20 of those areas, hunting alone accounted for more grizzly deaths than the province's allowable mortality rates at least once during the five-year period of the study.
When combined with other human-caused grizzly deaths -- including legal kills by wildlife management officials and illegal poaching -- the mortality rates were exceeded at least once in 36 areas, or 63 per cent.
That higher number, said Moola, is the most important, because it shows that too many bears are killed even when the hunt doesn't push the grizzly deaths over the limits.
"You can't look at trophy hunting in isolation -- you have to look at trophy hunting in addition to the other sources of human-caused mortality," said Moola.
"What the study shows is that if you removed trophy hunting from the picture, you would actually drop the mortality rate below what the government thinks is sustainable."
The report is accompanied by a letter to Premier Gordon Campbell, signed by eight grizzly bear experts from Canada and the United States, urging the provincial government to establish a provincewide network of no-hunting zones.
British Columbia is estimated to be home to half of all grizzlies in Canada, and a quarter of the North American grizzly population.
B.C.'s grizzlies are considered a species of "special concern" by both the federal and provincial governments because of their slow reproductive rates and susceptibility to human activities.
Grizzly hunting is restricted in parts of the province, but every year a trophy hunt opens up throughout much of British Columbia during the spring and fall. The David Suzuki Foundation report estimates that, since 2001, an average of 253 bears a year have been killed by hunters in B.C.
There have been perennial calls for the hunt to be scrapped, but the Liberal government has consistently rejected those calls, arguing the hunt is sustainable and properly managed.
In 2001, the NDP government of the day implemented a moratorium on grizzly hunting, but that was overturned a few months later after the Liberals took power.
Environment Minister Barry Penner issued a written statement defending the province's grizzly management policies, insisting hunting wouldn't be allowed if it jeopardized the bear population.
Penner, who acknowledged he hadn't read the report and has told his ministry staff to review it, said the mortality rates set by the province are stricter than the standards recommended by peer-reviewed scientific studies of the region's grizzly population.
"Our record on grizzly bear population management is strong," he said.
"The independent Grizzly Bear Scientific Panel, comprised of independent bear experts appointed on the recommendation of the International Association for Bear Research and Management, confirmed that B.C.'s grizzly bear management approach is effective and that our population estimates are sound. "
He also noted the province has closed almost two million hectares of land to grizzly hunting along the North and Central Coasts, and there are other strict no-kill zones elsewhere in the province.
Hunting and outfitting groups sent out their own news releases responding to the report, challenging the study's conclusions and defending the hunt as sustainable and important to the province's economy.
Mel Arnold of the B.C. Wildlife Federation, which represents hunters and anglers, said harvest rates are set over five-year periods, so it's wrong to point to figures from a single year as evidence that too many bears were killed.
"They (the five-year averages) may fall above it in some areas, and if that is the case, we would support adjustments being made," Arnold said in an interview.
"Hunting and trapping is part of the heritage that built this country, and it's part of our culture."
There are differing opinions on the health of bear populations in British Columbia, and conservation groups such as the David Suzuki Foundation suggest the government's current methods to estimate how bears are actually roaming the wilderness are flawed.
Alberta placed a moratorium on grizzly bear hunting in 2006, and is currently examining whether to keep the ban or revisit the issue.
Last year, the Manitoba government added grizzly bears to a list of species protected under the provincial wildlife act.
Grizzly bears have been extinct from Manitoba for a century, but migrant bears from Nunavut have been spotted, raising hopes the species is making a return
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I totally hear you.....I don't "get it" at all....not one little bit. That said, one of my very favorite co-workers lives to hunt.....and he is a totally cool guy. I love him like a brother. Ironically, he holds a "bear record" (black? grizzly? brown? I forget) in BC. We read the online account and his guide talks about how they snuck up on this "magnificent" animal while he was drinking.....and then, BLAM! While the poor thing was drinking! :shock:
I'm sure you've never seen a hunting show, but these guys (and women) often talk about how "beautiful," etc. their prey is.................right before they KILL it. I.don't.fucking.get.it.
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and anyways, no one is eating bears. they're just skinning them and pinning their heads on a wall
yep, and my same buddy (who I really do love) also went on a mountain lion "hunt".....they basically release like 8 dogs, the dogs tree the mountain lion (within minutes) and the "hunter" shoots it out of the tree.
I would hope Gracie and Sammi would say "fuck that!"
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
i think i'm going to make my own versin of this shirt
yeah like i mean i would totally respect them if they went out with spears and shit and hunted their game like seriously first nations bad ass hunting - and then of course bless and thank the earth and catch accordingly!
they did it with so much respect.
then we assimiliated teh shit out of them.
First off, hunters do eat bear meat to whoever they said didn't. also, hundreds of thousands of meals are provided to food shelves around the country because of these useless hunters who only look for heads.
Secondly, this article makes it sound like the hunters are the problem. Maybe they need to step up poaching enforcement instead of punishing the guys who do it legally...seems silly to punish those following the laws because some aren't.
thirdly, all hunters are not hillbillies carrying AR-15's to shoot bambi. They take great care and pride in trying to kill an animal quickly so that it does not suffer. They hope for one shot kills and feel terrible when they don't get it, not because they screwed up but because of the unnecessary suffering of the animals they are hunting. Most hunters consider themselves stewards of the land and the wildlife around the country. I know that seems hypocritical to anti-hunters, but it is true. Many work to make sure that illegal activity and poaching do not take place and most report what they do see.
That being said, hunts for population control are very necessary.
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- Joe Rogan
That being said, there are SOME types of hunting that almost seem sporting (using pointing dogs to find quail, flushing them and then trying to hit those little suckers as the fly through the air) but bear hunting has to be some of the absolute least sporting hunting of any.
They basically put a barrel of food out in the woods and shoot the bears while they eat.
It makes me sick.
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no one is stopping you from not living anymore in protest.
seriously, if the animals could watch out for themselves maybe we wouldn't have to. I am not talking about animals that attack humans, I think that is just part of life, but I am talking about disease and starvation due to over population. Whether you like it or not, we happen to be more evolved. Do you honestly think for a second that if gorillas, chimps, dolphins, house cats, or whatever else could take over the world that they wouldn't? The instinct to survive is in all animals, it just so happens we might be a little better at it than other animals, and we are especially better at killing them.
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I haven't hunted in like 15 years, but I agree...
Another thing hypocritical are people who are anti-hunting because it's cruel, but eat meat that they buy at the store or a restaurant.
I can't stand the sport hunters who are just looking to shoot something exotic or get the biggest rack or whatever, but I have no problem with people hunting legally who eat what they shoot.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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The difference between us and gorillas chimps dolphins house cats or whatever else is that we kill for sport and not for sustenance.
What makes you think bears are over populated??
Because we shoot so many that are in "our" area? Because some idiot has been feeding it blueberry muffins and it attacked a neighbour because the neighbour was dumb enough to throw rocks at it while it was minding its own business? (This is a true story btw... and if that is some sort of idea of evolutionary genius, to throw rocks at a bear i don't have much hope for humans)
That's your evolutionary genius right there.
Hence my problem is that this is a trophy hunt, the point being to kill something beautiful as the "ultimate prize" in hunting. And Gordon Campbell has signed legislation on the basis that this is going to help the economy. Why not promote tourism instead? There are a lot of places on the island where you can kayak past bear habitat and view them... If they're so majestic, why not observe them alive rather than put a bullet in their head?
Oh, and I actually used to hunt and was raised and trained by one of the good ones.
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Although it has been proven that Idaho makes more money off tourism and people wanting to see wild life rather than kill it, we still face all these same problems. Read about the ol' Idaho Derby Hunts if you want to be horrified. I mean, of course, see what real men act like.
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at what point did i say anything about god. I said our species is more evolved, and that is the truth. Sorry if you don't like it. fuck yourself for thinking that hunters are all evil. Oh and by the way, chimps kill for no reason other than to kill. Like I said earlier, no one is stopping you from not living anymore. It isn't just about bears, it is all wildlife. DNR officials do a great job in population management. Conservationist and hunter are not mutually exclusive, but think what you want. I hope to god you are a vegan, otherwise this hardcore stance of yours really is hypocritical.
and like I said that you IGNORED completely because it runs counter to your hatred of hunters. Game donations to food shelves have fed literally millions of people. Care to respond to that?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Killing stuff Rules! :twisted:
and by the way unless you have missed MY points, i never said all hunters are evil.
i said those who kill for enjoyment are scum. details details details!
i don't know about food being distributed to store shelves, i've never seen canned bear in my supermarket. i'm sorry, do you live in this area? or do you know about the bears here that have been poached just so their paws could be used for ancient medicine? i dont know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but this is what goes on in mine. i can't speak for where you live.
the point of this thread is killing for sake of killing... i wasn't trying to offend your little hunting way of life.
but you can keep telling me to go fuck myself if it makes you feel any better.
thank you. this is the one single point i would make to anyone who is blanketly opposed to all hunting. not that i'm saying anyone here is saying that.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i can understand your point and i wouldn't argue that that there's a great need for hunting in modern society. however, if a human is going to situate themself at the top of the food chain and eat meat, and many do, it's worth thinking about what this means. for me, hunting is a way to take on the responsibility, and yes guilt, of being responsible for the taking of life to eat. for me, buying meat doesn't offer the same awareness of what meat really is.
as the OP, i do believe hunting solely for sport is shitty.
"We were eating lunch on a high rimrock, at the foot of which a turbulent river elbowed its way. We saw what we thought was a doe fording the torrent, her breast awash in white water. When she climbed the bank toward us and shook out her tail, we realized our error: it was a wolf. A half-dozen others, evidently grown pups, sprang from the willows and all joined in a welcoming melee of wagging tails and playful maulings. What was literally a pile of wolves writhed and tumbled in the center of an open flat at the foot of our rimrock.
In those days we had never heard of passing up a chance to kill a wolf. In a second we were pumping lead into the pack, but with more excitement than accuracy; how to aim a steep downhill shot is always confusing. When our rifles were empty, the old wolf was down, and a pup was dragging a leg into impassable side-rocks.
We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes—something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view."
wolves are my favourite animal.......................... :(
good interpretation though...
do people really have the idea that they should wipe out the wolf population for a hunters paradise? :shock:
foodshelves, you know the ones who feed homeless and underprivileged people in the US... not donated to the local supermarket.
Most of it is by trophy hunters who only like to hunt for the sport. Seems pretty reasonable to me, it isn't like hunters shoot a bear, skin it, and then leave it in the woods. I don't know what goes on in your neck of the woods, but only asshole poachers do that sort of thing. You certainly made it seem that hate hunting in general, so I apologize, but I am sick of people thinking that the only people hunting are in overalls and are toothless rednecks with a confederate flag on their F-350(the one with duallies of course).
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Nothing wrong with that... if you're gonna kill it, you gotta grill it. Deer meat is a bit gamey, but pretty good.
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But, killing just to kill. Okay... if you are going to track the animal in his woods and try to take him out with one shot. If you wound him... you gotta track him down and kill him, instead of just leaving him to die because of your poor marksmanship.
As for bear hunting for sport... you want to make a sport out of it? Okay, leave the Remington at home and take him on with a knife. That is a fair fight and can be called a sport.
Hail, Hail!!!
man, i don't know any hunters who would think a head shot on a big animal is a good shot.