Autotune and Pearl Jam
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Dissidentman wrote:Just watched the video you posted, didn't realize he used it in EVERY song... then again, I don't listen to any of his music anyway...
I don't either. When ever I hear Auto Tune, it's T-Pain. Another reason the guy is so popular cause everybody know's he's the guy behind that product.
Let's just hope Pearl Jam never, ever, EVER uses Auto Tune for any of their records.0 -
demetrios wrote:Dissidentman wrote:Just watched the video you posted, didn't realize he used it in EVERY song... then again, I don't listen to any of his music anyway...
I don't either. When ever I hear Auto Tune, it's T-Pain. Another reason the guy is so popular cause everybody know's he's the guy behind that product.
Let's just hope Pearl Jam never, ever, EVER uses Auto Tune for any of their records.
Yeah, Ed has no need for that, not even for the gimmick factor0 -
demetrios wrote:Dissidentman wrote:Just watched the video you posted, didn't realize he used it in EVERY song... then again, I don't listen to any of his music anyway...
I don't either. When ever I hear Auto Tune, it's T-Pain. Another reason the guy is so popular cause everybody know's he's the guy behind that product.
Let's just hope Pearl Jam never, ever, EVER uses Auto Tune for any of their records.
You don't understand.
Pearl Jam definitely use Auto-Tune. I am very experienced with this and can hear it.
The difference with them and T-pain, is that they use it in a very subtle way to gently tune the vocals. T-pain uses it as a vocal effect. He is not the first person to use this effect - Cher was using it back in 1998...0 -
Pontikas wrote:demetrios wrote:Dissidentman wrote:Just watched the video you posted, didn't realize he used it in EVERY song... then again, I don't listen to any of his music anyway...
I don't either. When ever I hear Auto Tune, it's T-Pain. Another reason the guy is so popular cause everybody know's he's the guy behind that product.
Let's just hope Pearl Jam never, ever, EVER uses Auto Tune for any of their records.
You don't understand.
Pearl Jam definitely use Auto-Tune. I am very experienced with this and can hear it.
The difference with them and T-pain, is that they use it in a very subtle way to gently tune the vocals. T-pain uses it as a vocal effect. He is not the first person to use this effect - Cher was using it back in 1998...
Going back to page 1, got any jpeg images shots & data where System of a Down is using Auto Tune? Already knew about Cher & Auto Tune with the help of Wikipedia many, many year's back & this video from Weird Al. Not all artists use Auto Tune. Do you hear Auto Tune when you hear a Death Cab For Cutie record or Jay Z record? These 2 artists are not the only artists that don't use Auto Tune on their records. I'm surprised now that Pearl Jam uses Auto Tune.0 -
Pontikas wrote:
You don't understand.
Pearl Jam definitely use Auto-Tune. I am very experienced with this and can hear it.
The difference with them and T-pain, is that they use it in a very subtle way to gently tune the vocals. T-pain uses it as a vocal effect. He is not the first person to use this effect - Cher was using it back in 1998...
This hurts my feelings...
Not just the thought that Ed thinks he would need to use it, but it's ties to Exxon.
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demetrios wrote:Going back to page 1, got any jpeg images shots & data where System of a Down is using Auto Tune? Already knew about Cher & Auto Tune with the help of Wikipedia many, many year's back & this video from Weird Al. Not all artists use Auto Tune. Do you hear Auto Tune when you hear a Death Cab For Cutie record or Jay Z record? These 2 artists are not the only artists that don't use Auto Tune on their records. I'm surprised now that Pearl Jam uses Auto Tune.
Where would i find any jpegs of SOAD using auto-tune ?
Anyway, I agree that its wrong to generalise and to say that all artists use autotune. however most do currently, so they can "perfect" the vocals.
Example of SOAD using autotune: Holy Mountains from the album Hypnotize
Listen carefully with headphones from 2:58 to 3:04. Its not so obvious but can be heard.
I can give you examples from backspacer as well if u want where its a bit more obvious. Its not a bad thing to use autotune...0 -
Pontikas wrote:I can give you examples from backspacer as well if u want where its a bit more obvious. Its not a bad thing to use autotune...
Has Pearl Jam used autotune before Backspacer?Pontikas wrote:Where would i find any jpegs of SOAD using auto-tune ?
I was wondering cause you mentioned "I also work as a sound designer/composer and have years of experience using Auto-tune and Melodyne (similar to auto-tune). http://www.nk-sd.com/" Wouldn't you have the software that show's the graph, so you can see each vocal pitch & sound that uses Auto Tune which pin points where you hear the mix?
I'm very curious what other Pearl Jam tracks use Auto Tune.0 -
I was wondering cause you mentioned "I also work as a sound designer/composer and have years of experience using Auto-tune and Melodyne (similar to auto-tune). http://www.nk-sd.com/" Wouldn't you have the software that show's the graph, so you can see each vocal pitch & sound that uses Auto Tune which pin points where you hear the mix?
I'm very curious what other Pearl Jam tracks use Auto Tune.
if I had the vocal track only (with no instruments) I could analyse it easily and figure out which words or phrases in a song have been tuned more. The reason I know that it is being used is that, when Autotune isnt used carefully it leaves small "artefacts" or abnormalities in the vocal sound. The best way to use auto-tune is so no-one knows u have used it.
I'm not sure if PJ have used auto-tune before backspacer - i would have to listen to figure out.
Listen to "Unthought Known" at around 1:14 - the word "air". Does that sound normal to you ?
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Pontikas wrote:I was wondering cause you mentioned "I also work as a sound designer/composer and have years of experience using Auto-tune and Melodyne (similar to auto-tune). http://www.nk-sd.com/" Wouldn't you have the software that show's the graph, so you can see each vocal pitch & sound that uses Auto Tune which pin points where you hear the mix?
I'm very curious what other Pearl Jam tracks use Auto Tune.
if I had the vocal track only (with no instruments) I could analyse it easily and figure out which words or phrases in a song have been tuned more. The reason I know that it is being used is that, when Autotune isnt used carefully it leaves small "artefacts" or abnormalities in the vocal sound. The best way to use auto-tune is so no-one knows u have used it.
I'm not sure if PJ have used auto-tune before backspacer - i would have to listen to figure out.
Listen to "Unthought Known" at around 1:14 - the word "air". Does that sound normal to you ?
Stole the words right out of my mouth.
I was going to say the same thing: Can't be sure about before backspacer, but there is definitely signs of auto-tune use on that album. And I was going to quote unthought known specifically.
I have no idea what the digital signatures of auto-tune would look like, but I have a classically-trained musical ear (which I have been destroying by going to too many shows without earplugs) from the Royal Conservatory of Music, and I can hear it in a lot of points in Backspacer.
I will even go so far as to say it's been used live. When I went to ACL Eddie changed microphones before and after Unthought Known... and the song was flawless vocally. Normally you are hear Eddie hit a lot of off pitch notes in any given song... but that particular performance was flawless. The rest of the show there was an obvious lack of auto-tune, but that one song...
That being said, I'm not knocking Ed for it. Every other song I've heard him do live, there was no auto-tune.. and that makes it much more special... to know that you're getting his voice and not some processed signal.
Before the invention of auto-tune I thought that hitting off notes at a concert was terrible... since the invention whenever I hear a singer hitting off notes I am happy, cause it means I'm not getting auto-tuned vocals. And everyone... and I mean everyone, uses it live... I think the most blatent abuse of it that I witnessed was a Chris Cornell solo show... it was so obvious that I felt like leaving the show cause I knew it wasn't a genuine performace...Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.0 -
shep wrote:Pontikas wrote:I was wondering cause you mentioned "I also work as a sound designer/composer and have years of experience using Auto-tune and Melodyne (similar to auto-tune). http://www.nk-sd.com/" Wouldn't you have the software that show's the graph, so you can see each vocal pitch & sound that uses Auto Tune which pin points where you hear the mix?
I'm very curious what other Pearl Jam tracks use Auto Tune.
if I had the vocal track only (with no instruments) I could analyse it easily and figure out which words or phrases in a song have been tuned more. The reason I know that it is being used is that, when Autotune isnt used carefully it leaves small "artefacts" or abnormalities in the vocal sound. The best way to use auto-tune is so no-one knows u have used it.
I'm not sure if PJ have used auto-tune before backspacer - i would have to listen to figure out.
Listen to "Unthought Known" at around 1:14 - the word "air". Does that sound normal to you ?
Stole the words right out of my mouth.
I was going to say the same thing: Can't be sure about before backspacer, but there is definitely signs of auto-tune use on that album. And I was going to quote unthought known specifically.
I have no idea what the digital signatures of auto-tune would look like, but I have a classically-trained musical ear (which I have been destroying by going to too many shows without earplugs) from the Royal Conservatory of Music, and I can hear it in a lot of points in Backspacer.
I will even go so far as to say it's been used live. When I went to ACL Eddie changed microphones before and after Unthought Known... and the song was flawless vocally. Normally you are hear Eddie hit a lot of off pitch notes in any given song... but that particular performance was flawless. The rest of the show there was an obvious lack of auto-tune, but that one song...
That being said, I'm not knocking Ed for it. Every other song I've heard him do live, there was no auto-tune.. and that makes it much more special... to know that you're getting his voice and not some processed signal.
Before the invention of auto-tune I thought that hitting off notes at a concert was terrible... since the invention whenever I hear a singer hitting off notes I am happy, cause it means I'm not getting auto-tuned vocals. And everyone... and I mean everyone, uses it live... I think the most blatent abuse of it that I witnessed was a Chris Cornell solo show... it was so obvious that I felt like leaving the show cause I knew it wasn't a genuine performace...
That's a shame if he's doing that - I prefer the vocal imperfections, just like I like the odd bum note on guitar or a missed snare on drums live too. I like the liveness and authenticity.
Down with autotune!And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.0 -
I guess I don't get the big deal about using auto tune...would you leave a concert because the guitarist was using effects (ie, changing the genuine sounds of the guitar)? This is just one more way for artists to be artists. Sit back and enjoy!this city is so filthy, like my mind in ways0
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The thing with auto-tune is that it will take a good/great performance and make it (arguably) better.
If it is used correctly (in a subtle and gentle way) its difficult to know that its being used.
In order to tune very out-of-tune vocals you must use extreme settings. By doing this the vocals turn out sounding non-human like. However, this is the effect used by T-Pain, etc...0 -
shep wrote:I will even go so far as to say it's been used live. When I went to ACL Eddie changed microphones before and after Unthought Known... and the song was flawless vocally. Normally you are hear Eddie hit a lot of off pitch notes in any given song... but that particular performance was flawless. The rest of the show there was an obvious lack of auto-tune, but that one song...
i'm in no way saying you're wrong, but i was wondering - could the mic change have had something to do with the echo he uses on that song?i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam0 -
demetrios wrote:Save Me wrote:All artists use autotune to some degree. Every single one of them. It may just be for a word here or there or even a note but they all use it, from the worst of singers to the best. I work as a studio manager at a production and management company in NYC. The producer I work w/has done remixes for Madonna, Beyonce, Seal, etc and they all use it.
Ah, nope! Not all artists use autotune to some degree. Maybe the whole pop/dance/r&b/soul/rap community. Not 'all artists' in the field of rock/hardrock/alternative/heavymetal/country.
Not every single artist during every single song recording uses it but the majority of them do, in any genre.
Edit: I'm speaking specifically of song recording not live concerts."The Wild is chasing after me. Hot on my trail won't leave me alone. All I can see is your blood right in front of me, and I can't kill The Wild." Me0 -
Pontikas wrote:The thing with auto-tune is that it will take a good/great performance and make it (arguably) better.
If it is used correctly (in a subtle and gentle way) its difficult to know that its being used.
In order to tune very out-of-tune vocals you must use extreme settings. By doing this the vocals turn out sounding non-human like. However, this is the effect used by T-Pain, etc...
Agreed. And sometimes it's used for a single note that the singer was flat or sharp on, not an entire song. There's times where an artist nails the intensity and/or emotion of a line but the pitch may be slightly off somewhere and you don't want to re-record it because you may not get that same emotion, in that same way, again."The Wild is chasing after me. Hot on my trail won't leave me alone. All I can see is your blood right in front of me, and I can't kill The Wild." Me0 -
DPrival78 wrote:shep wrote:I will even go so far as to say it's been used live. When I went to ACL Eddie changed microphones before and after Unthought Known... and the song was flawless vocally. Normally you are hear Eddie hit a lot of off pitch notes in any given song... but that particular performance was flawless. The rest of the show there was an obvious lack of auto-tune, but that one song...
i'm in no way saying you're wrong, but i was wondering - could the mic change have had something to do with the echo he uses on that song?
Definitely could have been. I won't argue with you there. I just found it curious that there were plenty of off-pitch notes throughout the rest of the concert, with the exception of that particular song... And even that could be for any number of reasons...
However, that was also the only time I've heard that song live, in person (I'm not going to count the SNL performance), so I have nothing else to compare it to really... I've heard it sung on the Los Angles boots from the tour as well, and it doesn't sound nearly as clean, sharp, or pitch-perfect... So maybe it was that he used it for the one occassion? Or maybe I am just losing my mind, I don't know??
Maybe I'm just being anal cause I've taken it to heart going to shows and hearing everyone using heavily processed vocals... I need authenticity... I could care less if it's exactly the same as whats on the albums..
I'm curiuos if Cornell will use the auto-tune with Soundgarden as blantently as he abused it the last time I saw him live... hopefully I'll get the chance to catch him somewhere and check it out... can't do lolla unfortunately...Houston, Texas... Believe it or not, there are 7 million people here... must be a couple of fans who'd love to see you play.0 -
Pontikas wrote:I was wondering cause you mentioned "I also work as a sound designer/composer and have years of experience using Auto-tune and Melodyne (similar to auto-tune). http://www.nk-sd.com/" Wouldn't you have the software that show's the graph, so you can see each vocal pitch & sound that uses Auto Tune which pin points where you hear the mix?
I'm very curious what other Pearl Jam tracks use Auto Tune.
if I had the vocal track only (with no instruments) I could analyse it easily and figure out which words or phrases in a song have been tuned more. The reason I know that it is being used is that, when Autotune isnt used carefully it leaves small "artefacts" or abnormalities in the vocal sound. The best way to use auto-tune is so no-one knows u have used it.
I'm not sure if PJ have used auto-tune before backspacer - i would have to listen to figure out.
Listen to "Unthought Known" at around 1:14 - the word "air". Does that sound normal to you ?
I totally hear the auto-tune there, which doesn't make it a bad (poppy) thing though. It's just when it's overdone (ala T-Pain, Kanye West) is when it sucks.11/6/95, 11/18/97, 7/13/98, 7/14/98, 10/24/00, 10/25/00, 10/28/00, 6/2/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 7/6/06, 7/7/06, 7/9/06, 7/10/06, 7/13/06, 7/15/06, 7/16/06, 7/18/06, 10/21/06, 4/10/08, 4/13/08, 9/30/09, 10/1/09, 10/6/09, 10/7/09, 10/9/090 -
bigbadbill wrote:Pontikas wrote:I was wondering cause you mentioned "I also work as a sound designer/composer and have years of experience using Auto-tune and Melodyne (similar to auto-tune). http://www.nk-sd.com/" Wouldn't you have the software that show's the graph, so you can see each vocal pitch & sound that uses Auto Tune which pin points where you hear the mix?
I'm very curious what other Pearl Jam tracks use Auto Tune.
if I had the vocal track only (with no instruments) I could analyse it easily and figure out which words or phrases in a song have been tuned more. The reason I know that it is being used is that, when Autotune isnt used carefully it leaves small "artefacts" or abnormalities in the vocal sound. The best way to use auto-tune is so no-one knows u have used it.
I'm not sure if PJ have used auto-tune before backspacer - i would have to listen to figure out.
Listen to "Unthought Known" at around 1:14 - the word "air". Does that sound normal to you ?
I totally hear the auto-tune there, which doesn't make it a bad (poppy) thing though. It's just when it's overdone (ala T-Pain, Kanye West) is when it sucks.
I'm sure they didn't want you to be able to hear the autotune at 1:14 or anywhere else on the album. They simply used it to tune the vocals slightly. The problem is that when its not done carefully/correctly things like this happen. T-Pain and Kanye West do this on purpose, to an extreme to compensate for their lack of singing ability...in this way its used as a vocal effect sorta like reverb could be used.0 -
just now taking a closer listen to 1:14 of UK.. you sure that's not just a fluctuation in eddie's voice?i'm more a fan of popular bands.. like the bee-gees, pearl jam0
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