Trying to understand the Tea Party
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What the hell are you getting at?GTFLYGIRL wrote:aerial wrote:In my day parents smoked in the house,
we rode in the back of pickup trucks,
we rode in the back of station wagons (can you imagine a rear end collision?)
there were no car seats
We did not wear helmets
we ate bacon
lots’ of hot dogs and
sugar
...and guess what? Most of us are still here,( baby boomers)...........
AND SERIOUSLY... what is up with these CHILD LABOR LAWS?!?!?!
Damn moochers eating cheese bought with WIC vouchers and drinking juice purchased using god damn food stamps... living in Section 8 housing and buying toothpaste with TANF money when their lazy little asses should be out there WORKING!!!!!!!
Certainly a five year old can do LIGHT factory work, conveyor belt kind of shit, right? Farm work... Answering phones... various cutting and pasting positions... And a twelve year old... well shit... the job market is wide open!!
HELL!! In many other countries they do it... It was the way for many years in this country and look what a great super power we are now! AND let's be real... if their lazy little asses had jobs... guess what? WE *PROBABLY* WOULDN'T HAVE 40 MILLION UNINSURED CHILDREN IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
Aerial you are quite the critical thinker!!! *KUDOS*
You equate child labor with personal choices?
Thanks for the Complement same to you
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:
What the hell are you getting at?GTFLYGIRL wrote:aerial wrote:In my day parents smoked in the house,
we rode in the back of pickup trucks,
we rode in the back of station wagons (can you imagine a rear end collision?)
there were no car seats
We did not wear helmets
we ate bacon
lots’ of hot dogs and
sugar
...and guess what? Most of us are still here,( baby boomers)...........
AND SERIOUSLY... what is up with these CHILD LABOR LAWS?!?!?!
Damn moochers eating cheese bought with WIC vouchers and drinking juice purchased using god damn food stamps... living in Section 8 housing and buying toothpaste with TANF money when their lazy little asses should be out there WORKING!!!!!!!
Certainly a five year old can do LIGHT factory work, conveyor belt kind of shit, right? Farm work... Answering phones... various cutting and pasting positions... And a twelve year old... well shit... the job market is wide open!!
HELL!! In many other countries they do it... It was the way for many years in this country and look what a great super power we are now! AND let's be real... if their lazy little asses had jobs... guess what? WE *PROBABLY* WOULDN'T HAVE 40 MILLION UNINSURED CHILDREN IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
Aerial you are quite the critical thinker!!! *KUDOS*
You equate child labor with personal choices?
Thanks for the Complement same to you
Personal choice... KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF HOW I CHOOSE TO RAISE MY KID!
if i choose to smoke two packs a day around him... MY CHOICE!
if i choose to let him ride in the back of a pick up truck... or my car... without a car seat?... MY CHOICE!
if i choose to help keep me and my children off the public dole... by having my child aid in supporting the household... MY CHOICE!
WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND TELL ME MY CHILD IS GOING TO BE FORCED TO GO TO SCHOOL?
WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL ME TO TAKE CARE OF THE BASIC WELFARE OF MY CHILD?
WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE EVERY CITIZENS HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS TO EDUCATE THIS COUNTRY'S CHILDREN?
IT IS THE RIGHT OF EVERY CITIZEN TO DO WHAT THEY FEEL IS BEST FOR THEIR OWN CHILD!
MANDATED HEALTH INSURANCE?
MANDATED EDUCATION?
AND ALL WITH THE HELP OF TAX PAYER MONEY?
THIS HAS BECOME ONE CRAZY SOCIALIST COUNTRY !
(a compliment for us... is a compliment for you! ) Post edited by GTFLYGIRL on0 -
aerial wrote:
What the hell are you getting at?GTFLYGIRL wrote:aerial wrote:In my day parents smoked in the house,
we rode in the back of pickup trucks,
we rode in the back of station wagons (can you imagine a rear end collision?)
there were no car seats
We did not wear helmets
we ate bacon
lots’ of hot dogs and
sugar
...and guess what? Most of us are still here,( baby boomers)...........
AND SERIOUSLY... what is up with these CHILD LABOR LAWS?!?!?!
Damn moochers eating cheese bought with WIC vouchers and drinking juice purchased using god damn food stamps... living in Section 8 housing and buying toothpaste with TANF money when their lazy little asses should be out there WORKING!!!!!!!
Certainly a five year old can do LIGHT factory work, conveyor belt kind of shit, right? Farm work... Answering phones... various cutting and pasting positions... And a twelve year old... well shit... the job market is wide open!!
HELL!! In many other countries they do it... It was the way for many years in this country and look what a great super power we are now! AND let's be real... if their lazy little asses had jobs... guess what? WE *PROBABLY* WOULDN'T HAVE 40 MILLION UNINSURED CHILDREN IN THE COUNTRY!!!!
Aerial you are quite the critical thinker!!! *KUDOS*
You equate child labor with personal choices?
Thanks for the Complement same to you
I take it there must be some on the MT that do not trust there selves to raise a child so, okay I accept you need help.....but the people I know personally are doing a great job just as I did.....GTFLYGIRL wrote:[Personal choice... KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF HOW I CHOOSE TO RAISE MY KID!
if i choose to smoke two packs a day around him... MY CHOICE!
if i choose to let him ride in the back of a pick up truck... or my car... without a car seat?... MY CHOICE!
if i choose to help keep me and my children off the public dole... by having my child aid in supporting the household... MY CHOICE!
WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN AND TELL ME MY CHILD IS GOING TO BE FORCED TO GO TO SCHOOL?
WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL ME TO TAKE CARE OF THE BASIC WELFARE OF MY CHILD?
WHO IS THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE EVERY CITIZENS HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS TO EDUCATE THIS COUNTRY'S CHILDREN?
IT IS THE RIGHT OF EVERY CITIZEN TO DO WHAT THEY FEEL IS BEST FOR THEIR OWN CHILD!
MANDATED HEALTH INSURANCE?
MANDATED EDUCATION?
AND ALL WITH THE HELP OF TAX PAYER MONEY?
THIS HAS BECOME ONE CRAZY SOCIALIST COUNTRY !
(a compliment for us... is a compliment for you! )“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:I take it there must be some on the MT that do not trust there selves to raise a child so, okay I accept you need help.....but the people I know personally are doing a great job just as I did.....
i'm sure many trust there selves plenty... (it's ok... education shouldn't be mandatory anyway... )
Should tax dollars pay for education but NOT health care for children and if so why?
What exactly is the main difference? If your kid ends up dead because they don't have basic health care... what good is the education?
And... btw.... You are the one who espoused the beauty of the simple life... back in the day when you were growing up with your parents smoking around you, riding in the back of pick up's and eating a diet of bacon and hot dogs...
If the government shouldn't be involved in whether or not a child is in a car seat... or wearing a bike helmet... if those are PERSONAL CHOICES.... why isnt the choice to have your kid work, instead of attending school, the very same thing.... Isn't it a choice made without regard to societal norms of what is in the best interest of a child?
If it's a personal choice to not use a car seat, or have your child wear a bike helmet, or see to it that your child receive proper health care... then why should it not be a choice to CHOOSE whether you want your child to go to work... or to be educated? Especially since the education system is paid for out of OUR TAX DOLLARS!
Think of all the money the country could save if we took all the lazy families and had the parents and the kids all working! They wouldnt need any kind of assistance from the government and between all of their minimum wage jobs... they could probably afford their own health insurance!! Sounds like a win/win for THE TEA PARTY!Post edited by GTFLYGIRL on0 -
GTFLYGIRL wrote:aerial wrote:I take it there must be some on the MT that do not trust there selves to raise a child so, okay I accept you need help.....but the people I know personally are doing a great job just as I did.....
i'm sure many trust there selves plenty... (it's ok... education shouldn't be mandatory anyway... )
Should tax dollars pay for education but NOT health care for children and if so why?
What exactly is the main difference? If your kid ends up dead because they don't have basic health care... what good is the education?
And... btw.... You are the one who espoused the beauty of the simple life... back in the day when you were growing up with your parents smoking around you, riding in the back of pick up's and eating a diet of bacon, and hot dogs...
If the government shouldn't be involved in whether or not a child is in a car seat... or wearing a bike helmet... if those are PERSONAL CHOICES.... why isnt the choice to have your kid work, instead of attending school, the very same thing.... Isn't it a choice made without regard to societal norms of what is in the best interest of a child?
If it's a personal choice to not use a car seat, or have your child wear a bike helmet, or see to it that your child receive proper health care... then why should it not be a choice to CHOOSE whether you want your child to go to work... or to be educated? Especially since the education system is paid for out of OUR TAX DOLLARS!
Think of all the money the country could save if we took all the lazy families and had the parents and the kids all working! They wouldnt need any kind of assistance from the government and between all of their minimum wage jobs... they could probably afford their own health insurance!! Sounds like a win/win for THE TEA PARTY!
This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
Everyone says they don't want government to do X, but nothing is black and white.. it's all gray. So to sum it up, it's merely interpretation and personal perspective/morality decisions. Everyone in society believes something different, yet we have to make decisions and policies for the betterment of everyone. It's not a clear, set in stone answer to a very broad unclear topic, but it's the truth.aerial wrote:This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
aerial wrote:I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
Fair enough... but I have worked in Child Welfare for twenty years and am absolutely certain that in regard to child rearing; humans greatly benefit from governmental oversight.
That's not all i was trying to say... but I'll keep it to that.
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GTFLYGIRL wrote:aerial wrote:I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
Fair enough... but I have worked in Child Welfare for twenty years and am absolutely certain that in regard to child rearing; humans greatly benefit from governmental oversight.
That's not all i was trying to say... but I'll keep it to that.
Hey i've been looking for you and now i find you here
ranting that's my girl jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
aerial wrote:This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
But is there ANY circumstance under which you think it's reasonable for the govrnment to oversee the raising of anyone else's child?0 -
20-30 years ago bacon and hot dogs were better for you
the production of food in this country has changed so drastically over the lat several decades there are a lot of things that I won't eat
but I am sure that you don't want the government messing with your food production either**CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **0 -
Food production is totally diffrent than raising a child...KDH12 wrote:20-30 years ago bacon and hot dogs were better for you
the production of food in this country has changed so drastically over the lat several decades there are a lot of things that I won't eat
but I am sure that you don't want the government messing with your food production either“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
scb wrote:aerial wrote:This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
But is there ANY circumstance under which you think it's reasonable for the govrnment to oversee the raising of anyone else's child?
Yes ...in the case of true child abuse or neglect.....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
aerial wrote:scb wrote:aerial wrote:This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
But is there ANY circumstance under which you think it's reasonable for the govrnment to oversee the raising of anyone else's child?
Yes ...in the case of true child abuse or neglect.....
Please define "true child neglect". (In a way that can actually be used to clearly identify whether any given [in]action falls into that category, if it's so black & white.)0 -
aerial wrote:scb wrote:aerial wrote:This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
But is there ANY circumstance under which you think it's reasonable for the govrnment to oversee the raising of anyone else's child?
Yes ...in the case of true child abuse or neglect.....
But without governmental oversight... how would anyone know or be able to identify what exactly constitutes true abuse or neglect? There need to be rules, guidelines and standards. How about the example I was making earlier? According to your beliefs and standards... Is it neglect if you don't send your child to school?
Is it neglect if your child doesn't have health insurance and therefore you do not bring your child to the doctor when he or she appears to be mildly ill?
Why is education more important than healthcare? Why is it ok to use your tax dollars to make sure every child has access to an education but not that every child has access to adequate healthcare?0 -
KDH12 wrote:20-30 years ago bacon and hot dogs were better for you
the production of food in this country has changed so drastically over the lat several decades there are a lot of things that I won't eat
but I am sure that you don't want the government messing with your food production either
Without any form of government oversight - and it's been seriously lacking lately thanks to the Bush Administration - we'd have a lot more incidents of E. coli and Salmonella poisoning in our food supply."It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"0 -
aerial wrote:
Food production is totally diffrent than raising a child...KDH12 wrote:20-30 years ago bacon and hot dogs were better for you
the production of food in this country has changed so drastically over the lat several decades there are a lot of things that I won't eat
but I am sure that you don't want the government messing with your food production either
Wait. Honestly. Are you saying that the government SHOULD be involved in overseeing food production in the country... but should stay out of taking care of innocent children that are unable to advocate for themselves?
You dont believe that it's the responsibility of the governing bodies to set laws of the land to protect the most vulnerable of it's citizen's? (Because we all know there are many parents that are either unable to or just plain DON'T always look out for the best interests of their children.)
How can you theorize that it is NOT the responsibility of the government to serve as advocates for the children of its nation?0 -
aerial wrote:scb wrote:aerial wrote:This is the best rant I have seen in a while.....
I don't want government to oversee the raising of my child ...thats all I am trying to say....
But is there ANY circumstance under which you think it's reasonable for the govrnment to oversee the raising of anyone else's child?
Yes ...in the case of true child abuse or neglect.....scb wrote:[Please define "true child neglect". (In a way that can actually be used to clearly identify whether any given [in]action falls into that category, if it's so black & white.)
I never said it was black and white.....
suspected physical harm, sexual abuse, mental abuse, or leaving a young child home alone are a few acts I would define as child abuse and call authorities. I can’t cover everything so don’t start the rant please..Most of the time a relative, neighbor or maybe a teacher would notice or even witness these things and call the police or child services.......
If I saw a child riding there bike without a helmet I would NOT call the police......
If I saw a child carrying a pair of scissors I would not call.....
If I saw a child getting a spanking I would not call....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0
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