What happened to the pop of the snare drum?

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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    i thought Brendan O'brien coming back would solve everything and they would go back to the old clear sound, but BS's production wasnt much better than ST's. maybe its Ed fooling around with pro-tools too much.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    MrSmith wrote:
    i thought Brendan O'brien coming back would solve everything and they would go back to the old clear sound, but BS's production wasnt much better than ST's. maybe its Ed fooling around with pro-tools too much.

    S/T has the clipping, but BS has clipping and muddiness...I think S/T sounds light years better.
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    MrSmith wrote:
    i thought Brendan O'brien coming back would solve everything and they would go back to the old clear sound, but BS's production wasnt much better than ST's.

    I knew it wouldn't because BOB's Springsteen album is considered one of the worst sounding CD's of all time. The days of albums sounding like "Vitalogy" and "No Code" are long gone. I don't think that producers today care what happens to an album in the mastering room, because music isn't mastered for audiophiles anymore. It's "product" for little twerps with IPOD's. That's all record companies care about these days. It has even extended to vinyl - they just take the loud, compressed CD and rip vinyl from that now, instead of doing a new, dynamic mastering from scratch. No regard for sound quality whatsoever. I think it's funny when people talk about how "warm" Backspacer sounds on vinyl. It's a complete and utter fantasy.
  • Ayeeee
    Ayeeee Posts: 80
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    The sound of the whole band has gone way downhill since 2000. Listen to how much clarity and balls the guitars had in 2000 and how tinny and distant they sound now.

    I TOTALLY agree. Everyone sucks these days tone wise except Jeff, and Stone isn't too bad most of the time. It's probably a good thing though because if they sounded like 98 or 2000 PJ I would spend so much money going to shows it would be ridiculous
    "Believe in lies... to get by..."
  • Ayeeee
    Ayeeee Posts: 80
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    i thought Brendan O'brien coming back would solve everything and they would go back to the old clear sound, but BS's production wasnt much better than ST's.

    I knew it wouldn't because BOB's Springsteen album is considered one of the worst sounding CD's of all time. The days of albums sounding like "Vitalogy" and "No Code" are long gone. I don't think that producers today care what happens to an album in the mastering room, because music isn't mastered for audiophiles anymore. It's "product" for little twerps with IPOD's. That's all record companies care about these days. It has even extended to vinyl - they just take the loud, compressed CD and rip vinyl from that now, instead of doing a new, dynamic mastering from scratch. No regard for sound quality whatsoever. I think it's funny when people talk about how "warm" Backspacer sounds on vinyl. It's a complete and utter fantasy.

    Totally agree with all of this too. The sound quality of BS on vinyl is very sub par, by the time I get to Amongst the Waves I have to flip to side B because the sound quality of that song is so bad.
    "Believe in lies... to get by..."
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    no, talking about the sound of the drums and how they're mixed isn't the topic at all.

    I meant more discussions about compression, which doesn't seem to be the "problem" with the drum sound. (as people are talking about the mixing and the drum set itself)

    But maybe the boots are overcompressed and that affects the sound of the drums?

    I think it's a combination of Matt's drum, the microphone used to record it, the mix and the amount of compression in the mix. Matt's drums used to cut through the mix quite well in 2000, but by 2003 they were lumped in with everything else and sounded dull and not as snappy. This has improved/worsened to various degrees since then. The boots have also gotten progressively louder and more compressed.

    The Europe 2000 boots are not compressed and maximized and they are a marvel to hear in terms of Matt's drumming. Put in any show and crank the volume, and you've got something better than we will probably ever hear again.

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