Pearl jam and incest

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    allmyrivals wrote:
    Hence the reason Ed will not come to this forum anymore.




    allmyrivals

    Yup ... State of Love and Trust is about Ricky Bobby learning to race. I don't care what Ed says. ;)
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  • allmyrivals
    allmyrivals Posts: 228
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Yup ... State of Love and Trust is about Ricky Bobby learning to race. I don't care what Ed says. ;)


    I thought the same thing. Just didn't want to come right out and say it.





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  • jesse
    jesse Posts: 170
    slightofjeff wrote:
    I think it's funny when Ed basically will flat-out say what a song is about, and people will argue with it.

    in alive we took on the chorus "im still alive" as an uplifting theme which it wasnt intended to be
  • PittsburghPJ
    PittsburghPJ Posts: 227
    If anyone is interested in English literature or philosophy, the argument in this thread closely mirrors the discussion over New Criticism (the predominant school of thought in English/American literature in the early 20th Century). Not that I would ever regularly quote Wikipedia, but I'm feeling lazy tonight, and it's a pretty good jumping point for anyone who's really interested in interpretation and author's intent.

    "The notion of ambiguity is an important concept within New Criticism; several prominent New Critics have been enamored above all else with the way that a text can display multiple simultaneous meanings. In the 1930s, I. A. Richards borrowed Sigmund Freud's term "overdetermination" (which Louis Althusser would later revive in Marxist political theory) to refer to the multiple meanings which he believed were always simultaneously present in language. To Richards, claiming that a work has "One And Only One True Meaning" is an act of superstition (The Philosophy of Rhetoric, 39).

    In 1954, William K. Wimsatt and Monroe Beardsley published an essay entitled "The intentional fallacy", in which they argued strongly against any discussion of an author's intention, or "intended meaning." For Wimsatt and Beardsley, the words on the page were all that mattered; importation of meanings from outside the text was quite irrelevant, and potentially distracting. This became a central tenet of the second generation of New Criticism."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Criticism
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  • yellowled24
    yellowled24 Posts: 3,118
    nowayimfaithfull wrote:
    Understand the songs before you talk about such serious stuff.
    Daughter is about Ed never knowing his sister, they put her up for adoption, the shades go down is a referance to saying goodbye and forgetting about her. When Ed grew up he found out a guy that was a very famous local singer( they told him it was an uncle), while the guy was dying, Ed later found out it was his dad after he was dead.
    Than he found out he had a sister so he had his whole life pulled out from under him. He obviously found out his brothers were step brothers and his dad was a step dad.
    Alive is abouyt his rebirth, but in shows he would mention his mom looking deep into his eyes and seeing his father, who she obviously saw in Ed. Ed makes 1 referance in a live song about it in a more negative way.
    yeah...what he said :D
    I knew what Alive was about. He makes that reference about while he was 13, his real daddy was dying. Pretty easy to get the story of that song.
    But thanks for clearing that up re: Daughter.
    I learn something new every day.
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  • LONGRD
    LONGRD Posts: 6,036
    :( :confused: WTF!!!!
    That's Gross!
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  • Surf Rider
    Surf Rider Posts: 813
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  • nowayimfaithfull
    nowayimfaithfull Posts: 2,051
    i went and read alot on daughter after I was told I was completeley wrong.
    it has 3 meanings from what I gathered, and none of it was insest.
    I mentioned a rebirth on Alive, he said that in a show, just like he mentioned his mom looking into his eyes and seeing his dad. Now in the book it states Alive is about his mom telling him his whole life was a lie. Now with Daughter it states a story about Ed being very misguided on the sister he never new, and than draws comparrisons to why she was given up for adoption, and the family delt with it.
    He does mention the shades being closed giving the opinion that everything on the inside is ok, it also mentions shutting a child that wasnt fit in a moms eyes. Basically his mom gave gher up to raise him. Now this shit is in the blood section of the book, that also goes on to say al;ot of personal stuff. iTS A GOOD READ.

    Now if I offend anyone for writing this I am sorry, if I am wrong owell, I know about 80 % of PJS HISTORY, if thats enough to be in everyones league so be it.
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