Pearl jam and incest
I heard on the radio this morning about a father and daughter combo who had a child together. Anyway the music they were playing in the background was Daughter. I found it funny.
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It's definitely about sexual abuse ...
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Apparently they had one child together and it died of a heart defect then they had another. The dad said it wasnt such a big deal, that they were like any other couple :eek:
That was pretty funny for them to play Daughter in the back ground. But puts a slur on the song imo :rolleyes:
Actually, it's pretty much exactly what that song is about ... although I'm sure whoever put the song to this story didn't even know that.
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yeah it was also on tv the other day i watched it and it really does make you feel sick! the problem is they feel they have nothing to be ashamed about
I always thought it was about adoption...??
Whoops :rolleyes:
i am listening to it right now and i hear nothing that suggests that it is about incest.
sounds like a typical PJ wanting to escape from a situation that you are in song, that eddie has repeated over and over and over, one on each album IMO
just a simple mans thought.
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I know for sure Alive's second verse is about incest but I don't think Daughter is.
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/dad-and-daughter-have-daughter/2008/04/07/1207420238498.html
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Daughter is about Ed never knowing his sister, they put her up for adoption, the shades go down is a referance to saying goodbye and forgetting about her. When Ed grew up he found out a guy that was a very famous local singer( they told him it was an uncle), while the guy was dying, Ed later found out it was his dad after he was dead.
Than he found out he had a sister so he had his whole life pulled out from under him. He obviously found out his brothers were step brothers and his dad was a step dad.
Alive is abouyt his rebirth, but in shows he would mention his mom looking deep into his eyes and seeing his father, who she obviously saw in Ed. Ed makes 1 referance in a live song about it in a more negative way.
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the shades go down .... it's menacing ... no one knows what goes on behind that window. We look like a normal family. We are not. Rearviewmirror is the companion piece to this song. ... In rearviemirror, finally the shades are raised ... and the abuse that led to the protagonist getting the hell away (or his/her suicide, if you want to go that route) are exposed to the world.
she holds the hand that holds her down .... the one man in the world who is supposed to be there to guide her, protect her and love her most is the one that is suppressing her.
Don't call me daughter, because you've done the one thing that violates the father/daughter relationship.
And the abused daughter goes back and forth, as many battered women do, assigning blame.
Don't call me daughter, you're not fit to ... because of what you did to me
Don't call me daughter, I'm not fit to be ... your daughter, because somehow I must have done something to deserve this.
There really is a lot going on in the lyrics of this song.
I'm willing to concede that it might not be about incest per se. But it's definitely about someone who has been abused and, in the end, is vowing to rise above.
There is absolutely no way this song is about adoption. It's really pretty clear to me, and I'm not sure how one would arrive at that conclusion.
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Uh ... none of this is true. Sorry.
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Dude I dont even give a fuck, you choose to jump on me about this shit when people are spewing crazy shit
peace enjoy the tour.
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From the mouth of Ed himself:
"The child in that song obviously has a learning difficulty. And it's only in the last few years that they've actually been able to diagnose these learning disabilities that before were looked at as misbehaviour, as just outright fucking rebelliousness. But no one knew what it was. And these kids, because they seemed unable or reluctant to learn, they'd end up getting the shit beaten outta them. The song ends, you know, with this idea of the shades going down--so that the neighbours can't see what happens next. What hurts about shit like that is that it ends up defining peoples' lives. They have to live with that abuse for the rest of their lives. Good, creative people are just fucking destroyed."
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I'm not jumping on you. YOU jumped on ME. And you were completely and utterly wrong.
Seriously, I've got no beef with you. You were the one acting like I was a fucking idiot for thinking this song was about an abused kid ... which Ed flat-out said it was.
If I misunderstood what you were saying, I'm sorry.
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That's a fun thing to say, and it's correct to some extent ... but sometimes, there is a right and wrong interpretation.
You might think "Deep" is about Mark Spitz learning to swim, but you'd be wrong.
I think it's funny when Ed basically will flat-out say what a song is about, and people will argue with it.
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Hence the reason Ed will not come to this forum anymore.
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Yup ... State of Love and Trust is about Ricky Bobby learning to race. I don't care what Ed says.
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I thought the same thing. Just didn't want to come right out and say it.
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in alive we took on the chorus "im still alive" as an uplifting theme which it wasnt intended to be
"The notion of ambiguity is an important concept within New Criticism; several prominent New Critics have been enamored above all else with the way that a text can display multiple simultaneous meanings. In the 1930s, I. A. Richards borrowed Sigmund Freud's term "overdetermination" (which Louis Althusser would later revive in Marxist political theory) to refer to the multiple meanings which he believed were always simultaneously present in language. To Richards, claiming that a work has "One And Only One True Meaning" is an act of superstition (The Philosophy of Rhetoric, 39).
In 1954, William K. Wimsatt and Monroe Beardsley published an essay entitled "The intentional fallacy", in which they argued strongly against any discussion of an author's intention, or "intended meaning." For Wimsatt and Beardsley, the words on the page were all that mattered; importation of meanings from outside the text was quite irrelevant, and potentially distracting. This became a central tenet of the second generation of New Criticism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Criticism
I knew what Alive was about. He makes that reference about while he was 13, his real daddy was dying. Pretty easy to get the story of that song.
But thanks for clearing that up re: Daughter.
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it has 3 meanings from what I gathered, and none of it was insest.
I mentioned a rebirth on Alive, he said that in a show, just like he mentioned his mom looking into his eyes and seeing his dad. Now in the book it states Alive is about his mom telling him his whole life was a lie. Now with Daughter it states a story about Ed being very misguided on the sister he never new, and than draws comparrisons to why she was given up for adoption, and the family delt with it.
He does mention the shades being closed giving the opinion that everything on the inside is ok, it also mentions shutting a child that wasnt fit in a moms eyes. Basically his mom gave gher up to raise him. Now this shit is in the blood section of the book, that also goes on to say al;ot of personal stuff. iTS A GOOD READ.
Now if I offend anyone for writing this I am sorry, if I am wrong owell, I know about 80 % of PJS HISTORY, if thats enough to be in everyones league so be it.
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