Buying Made in China? Then this is YOUR fault.

unsung
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edited February 2010 in A Moving Train
Taken from another forum, appropriate considering some recent discussions here.


http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/ama ... -in-china/
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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Those are disturbing photos. Not only is this an example of what buying cheap third world products results in it is also a lesson to those who preach about getting rid of government regulation of business here in the U.S.. This is what businesses policing themselves looks like.
  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    Thanks for the link. The pictures are awful. Who would do this to their own country? I try to stay away from Made in China products, but this is going to make me extra vigilant.

    I take issue with the headline, "Then this is YOUR fault.", though. Yeah, I'm certainly not going to support anyone who does this. And we need better education in this country as far as making sure people know that when they go somewhere like Walmart and demand these impossibly low prices, that this is how they get them. But , still, this is ultimately THEIR fault, their government's fault. A deliberate decision on the part of their government to corner the global market on cheaply produced goods by abandoning worker and environmental safety and regulation.
  • citizen54
    citizen54 Posts: 64
    Just about anyone in the U.S. reading this thread with a personal computer is probably doing so with a product made in China. Even the worshipped Macintosh is made in China. (An exception would be a Dell computer, which was probably made in Mexico.)

    But hey, we wouldn't want government "interfering" in business, now, would we? And we wouldn't want to deprive corporations of their freedom to ship American jobs offshore, now, would we? Gosh, that would be terrible.
  • breath123
    breath123 Posts: 397
    one word

    TARIFFS!!

    thank you. problem solved.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Eh, as someone said in the other thread, maybe the people in China need those jobs worse than we do. Who cares they have their lives shortened 20 years, there is over 1 BILLION of them! The Chinese worker is treated no better than just another sprocket on the line.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    michelle822 wrote:
    Thanks for the link. The pictures are awful. Who would do this to their own country? I try to stay away from Made in China products, but this is going to make me extra vigilant.

    I take issue with the headline, "Then this is YOUR fault.", though. Yeah, I'm certainly not going to support anyone who does this. And we need better education in this country as far as making sure people know that when they go somewhere like Walmart and demand these impossibly low prices, that this is how they get them. But , still, this is ultimately THEIR fault, their government's fault. A deliberate decision on the part of their government to corner the global market on cheaply produced goods by abandoning worker and environmental safety and regulation.


    I merely speak the truth. Thanks for your efforts in buying products made elsewhere, hopefully in the USA.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    breath123 wrote:
    one word

    TARIFFS!!

    thank you. problem solved.

    Bingo.

    I'll give Obama credit on passing a tariff on Chinese made tires.

    Problem is if China stop buying our bonds our spending will bankrupt us for sure. Our dependence on foreign oil is often spoken of yet not much is said in how China own us. Well Glenn Beck mentions it but it can't be true, cause he's a kook.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    i saw some documentary a few years ago on the products used in mardi gras...all the beads and other shit gets made in china or places like that and the workers, mostly young girls, are treated pretty poorly. they all had to live near the plant in barracks while the owner would get in his bmw or mercedes and drive to his nice house with a gate and cameras. he was pretty much a dick, if 1 of the girls was caught talking during working hours they could have a weeks pay taken from them. it was pretty sad to see what these girls go through to make these beads only to have them just thrown around, girls flash for them and end up thrown on the street and thrown away
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  • youngster
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    unsung wrote:
    Eh, as someone said in the other thread, maybe the people in China need those jobs worse than we do. Who cares they have their lives shortened 20 years, there is over 1 BILLION of them! The Chinese worker is treated no better than just another sprocket on the line.

    Still trying to figure out how this is my fault. While I buy American as often as possible, there is no way to avoid Chinese goods in our products. You can thank big business in this country for sending all of our goods to be made in China and reaping all the profit. Whether I buy these products or not (which I go out of my way to avoid), the conditions in that country won't improve until THEY do something about it. Seems all the pollution is due to their non-existant enviornmental standards. Does China have an EPA equivalent? I don't think so. Most communist countries don't.
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    flywallyfly wrote:
    Those are disturbing photos. Not only is this an example of what buying cheap third world products results in it is also a lesson to those who preach about getting rid of government regulation of business here in the U.S.. This is what businesses policing themselves looks like.

    Excellent point.
  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    unsung wrote:
    I merely speak the truth. Thanks for your efforts in buying products made elsewhere, hopefully in the USA.

    I'm curious how much of this, if any, do you consider to be their own fault?

    Edit: good read on China's behavior in Copenhagen last year, http://bit.ly/745URE
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    that shit makes me want to cry.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    flywallyfly wrote:
    Those are disturbing photos. Not only is this an example of what buying cheap third world products results in it is also a lesson to those who preach about getting rid of government regulation of business here in the U.S.. This is what businesses policing themselves looks like.

    Isn't China a communist country?
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    It is disturbing viewing but I would say the conditions are similar to those we experienced during the industrial revolution. Unfortunately, 150 years or so later in China, one needs to consider the increase in population (from 450m to 1.3b) and the 'new' technologies/chemicals and the lack of infrastructure & regulations to support this development. It arrived much to quickly for China to be able to cope.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    :cry: ...no word's.


    Godfather.
  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Isn't China a communist country?
    In principle yes. In practice, one of the largest capitalists in the world.
    It is more state-managed capitalism now really, with the emphasis on state, and with a very authoritarian streak.

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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    michelle822 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I merely speak the truth. Thanks for your efforts in buying products made elsewhere, hopefully in the USA.

    I'm curious how much of this, if any, do you consider to be their own fault?

    Edit: good read on China's behavior in Copenhagen last year, http://bit.ly/745URE


    When you say "their" are you referring to the Chinese people or government?
  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    unsung wrote:
    michelle822 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    I merely speak the truth. Thanks for your efforts in buying products made elsewhere, hopefully in the USA.

    I'm curious how much of this, if any, do you consider to be their own fault?

    Edit: good read on China's behavior in Copenhagen last year, http://bit.ly/745URE


    When you say "their" are you referring to the Chinese people or government?

    Government, definitely.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have to ask...
    HOW do we AVOID buying anything made in China?
    Look at the labels... practically all goods are made in China these days. Sure, you can find work shirts or combat boots made here... but, what if you need a tape measurer... or a mitre saw... or a light bulb?
    And even the label may not be true... the melanmine that made its way into our pet's food was not from dog food made in China... but ingredients from China. So, even though the shirt in made in the U.S.... where did the material, dye and buttons come from?
    ...
    Let's face the facts here... we built China.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    OutOfBreath wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    Isn't China a communist country?
    In principle yes. In practice, one of the largest capitalists in the world.
    It is more state-managed capitalism now really, with the emphasis on state, and with a very authoritarian streak.

    Peace
    Dan

    I would say what you are describing there is more along the lines of a Corporatist state than a capitalist one.

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