Buying Made in China? Then this is YOUR fault.
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Taken from another forum, appropriate considering some recent discussions here.
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/ama ... -in-china/
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/ama ... -in-china/
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I take issue with the headline, "Then this is YOUR fault.", though. Yeah, I'm certainly not going to support anyone who does this. And we need better education in this country as far as making sure people know that when they go somewhere like Walmart and demand these impossibly low prices, that this is how they get them. But , still, this is ultimately THEIR fault, their government's fault. A deliberate decision on the part of their government to corner the global market on cheaply produced goods by abandoning worker and environmental safety and regulation.
But hey, we wouldn't want government "interfering" in business, now, would we? And we wouldn't want to deprive corporations of their freedom to ship American jobs offshore, now, would we? Gosh, that would be terrible.
TARIFFS!!
thank you. problem solved.
I merely speak the truth. Thanks for your efforts in buying products made elsewhere, hopefully in the USA.
Bingo.
I'll give Obama credit on passing a tariff on Chinese made tires.
Problem is if China stop buying our bonds our spending will bankrupt us for sure. Our dependence on foreign oil is often spoken of yet not much is said in how China own us. Well Glenn Beck mentions it but it can't be true, cause he's a kook.
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Still trying to figure out how this is my fault. While I buy American as often as possible, there is no way to avoid Chinese goods in our products. You can thank big business in this country for sending all of our goods to be made in China and reaping all the profit. Whether I buy these products or not (which I go out of my way to avoid), the conditions in that country won't improve until THEY do something about it. Seems all the pollution is due to their non-existant enviornmental standards. Does China have an EPA equivalent? I don't think so. Most communist countries don't.
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Excellent point.
I'm curious how much of this, if any, do you consider to be their own fault?
Edit: good read on China's behavior in Copenhagen last year, http://bit.ly/745URE
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Isn't China a communist country?
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It is more state-managed capitalism now really, with the emphasis on state, and with a very authoritarian streak.
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
When you say "their" are you referring to the Chinese people or government?
Government, definitely.
HOW do we AVOID buying anything made in China?
Look at the labels... practically all goods are made in China these days. Sure, you can find work shirts or combat boots made here... but, what if you need a tape measurer... or a mitre saw... or a light bulb?
And even the label may not be true... the melanmine that made its way into our pet's food was not from dog food made in China... but ingredients from China. So, even though the shirt in made in the U.S.... where did the material, dye and buttons come from?
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Let's face the facts here... we built China.
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I would say what you are describing there is more along the lines of a Corporatist state than a capitalist one.
It's definitely hard, especially when you need something quickly. Sometimes when you're looking for an item it'll seem that 99% are labeled as Made in China, and the one that's made in the US is more expensive and/or not exactly what you want. Or you have to go out of your way and order online. Food is easy if you don't eat a lot of processed things, obviously harder if you do. There's also websites that have lists of Made in US products. Here's some tools for you, http://www.armstrongtools.com
I've read about people who tried to go completely without Chinese products and said it was impossible. But even if you can reduce, that helps. It's easy to feel overwhelmed by the people coming out of Walmart with cart-loads of crap, though :(
There isn't a single "capitalist" country that doesnt have corporatist elements in it. Everyone do it. It's a fine line, really, and the difference is mainly in emphasis. My point is that China is on the same spectrum as everyone else, there are no "un-capitalist" countries left in the world today. They do markets, they have businesses, corporations and so forth, just kept on a tight leash added a dash of police state.
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"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
I agree with you. My point was more for another poster that you were answering for who was just straight up blaming things on businesses and what would happen if they weren't policed by the state. Your answer states that China is on the same spectrum as everyone else where the state is indeed involved in business.
My other point is that since there isn't a single "capitalist" country left that we should stop blaming everything on capitalism since we no longer have that and call things what they actually are (i.e. no "un-capitalist" countries exist but no capitalist countries exist either; however, many countries are corporatist or maybe even statist.) What we have is a bastardization of capitalism that really isn't capitalism at all.
A great deal is their fault. Our government doesn't have clean hands over this either. In the end I believe it comes down to the US consumer being the most guilty. If people refuse to buy made in China goods something would have to change. Unfortunately there are too many attitudes that it can't be done or too many lazy people who simply refuse to try, and those that just don't care. But now our economy and their environment are paying the price.
I'll concede that some things might be impossible, but most are not if some effort is spent trying to research a product. A simple google search has yielded many buys for myself for products made in the USA, I write to companies and let them know how I feel if they do outsource. I write to them if they do retain manufacturing here to thank them. I look at everything, EVERYTHING, before I purchase it to see where it is made. I sold a car for the only reason that they put made in China tires on it and refused to exchange them when I complained. I will not compromise my safety. My kids will NOT ever get a toy with made in China on the box. I simply don't care if it is the hottest thing going. I don't trust their health with crap coated in lead paint.
I only have three rules for my girlfriend. Don't cheat on me, don't lie to me, and don't shop at Wal-Mart. I'm slowly weaning her off Chinese junk too, she will come around.
Anyway that was a bit of a rant but I'm as passionate on this topic as some are on whatever drives them. If I just gave in to the mentality that I have no choice I may as well stop voting because what would be the point.
Made in the USA (or UK, France, etc.), can be misleading too. It doesn't have to mean that all components of the products are made in USA. If components/parts/goods are made in another country but assembled or processed in the USA, that is enough to have the label 'Made in USA'.
I'd just like to point out that there has never ever existed "capitalist" countries if the criteria is no government involved in business. So there can't be any "left" since they never were in the first place. I agree we can call it state capitalism or something similar where the state is more or less involved. All capitalism everywhere has always been like this.
Thr tricky part is this: The bastardization of capitalism IS capitalism in everyday speak. Just as the bastardization of communism in Eastern Europe IS communism in everyday speak. If one side is to stop blaming capitalism, then in fairness the other should stop blaming socialism. But what we usually mean by the terms is what we term as left and right. Left wanting more regulation and democratic control, and the right wanting less of those. Both are still capitalists, if they differ on the details.
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