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jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

is he the best defensive shortstop in the AL ... no.

his numbers say otherwise

there is no composite stat that has Jeter as the best defensive SS in the AL. No way.

On stright fielding percentage, perhaps ... but that doesn't account for the fact his range is far less than most and he's also got a gold glove 1st basman to help him avoid some errors.

I'm sure if you look at those range inclusive (UZR?) ratings, Jeter's not #1 ... more likely the fringe of the top 5.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

is he the best defensive shortstop in the AL ... no.

his numbers say otherwise

there is no composite stat that has Jeter as the best defensive SS in the AL. No way.

On stright fielding percentage, perhaps ... but that doesn't account for the fact his range is far less than most and he's also got a gold glove 1st basman to help him avoid some errors.

I'm sure if you look at those range inclusive (UZR?) ratings, Jeter's not #1 ... more likely the fringe of the top 5.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_playe ... imeFrame=1

the glaring stat is jeter had 8 errors this season while everyone else was in the top 10 had 8-25 errors

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_playe ... imeFrame=1

Proving my point. His fielding percentage is great ... but that number next to it ... "RF", is range, and Jeter's is the lowest in the top 20 shortstops.

Tough to make errors when you can't get to as many balls.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_playe ... imeFrame=1

Proving my point. His fielding percentage is great ... but that number next to it ... "RF", is range, and Jeter's is the lowest in the top 20 shortstops.

Tough to make errors when you can't get to as manhy balls.

so because he has no range your gonna discredit his 8 errors :roll:

. he's 35 years old and isn't even the best ss on his time. lets factor that in than.

I'm as big as a yankee hater as the next person, but you can't deny jeters stats are the best outta the top 5 ss. baseball is a stats game and jeters got the stats year in and year out.

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable_playe ... imeFrame=1

Proving my point. His fielding percentage is great ... but that number next to it ... "RF", is range, and Jeter's is the lowest in the top 20 shortstops.

Tough to make errors when you can't get to as manhy balls.

so because he has no range your gonna discredit his 8 errors :roll: . he's 35 years old and isn't even the best ss on his time. lets factor that in than.

I'm as big as a yankee hater as the next person, but you can't deny jeters stats are the best outta the top 5 ss. baseball is a stats game and jeters got the stats year in and year out.

Doesn't it make sense that if one has a limited range, that does discredit the error factor a bit? He's going to have less chances than others, thus, less errors.

Again, he had a good year defensively ... but, he's not the best defensive shortstop in the AL, no way.

Let me find the composite stats ... I'll bet he's top 5 because the low error total, but that's it.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

Doesn't it make sense that if one has a limited range, that does discredit the error factor a bit? He's going to have less chances than others, thus, less errors.

well than you have to factor in age and games played in the season

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

Doesn't it make sense that if one has a limited range, that does discredit the error factor a bit? He's going to have less chances than others, thus, less errors.

well than you have to factor in age and games played in the season

age? Why should someone's age factor into who's the best defensive shortstop?

Are you stating Jeter should get a handicap because he's older?

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

age? Why should someone's age factor into who's the best defensive shortstop?

Are you stating Jeter should get a handicap because he's older?

age is def a factor cause it limits your range. go look at the ages of players in the top 10 ss and range and than look at jeters age and range.

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

age? Why should someone's age factor into who's the best defensive shortstop?

Are you stating Jeter should get a handicap because he's older?

age is def a factor cause it limits your range. go look at the ages of players in the top 10 ss and range and than look at jeters age and range.

I agree, age is a definite factor ... but, he shouldn't get a break because he's older and can cover less ground, that's silly.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

I agree, age is a definite factor ... but, he shouldn't get a break because he's older and can cover less ground, that's silly.

i wasn't saying he should get a break at all. i was merly saying cause of his age his range is gonna be less than other players. 8 errors is still 8 errors no matter what your range or age is.

xavier mcdaniel · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

was he better this year defensively, probably ... is he the best defensive shortstop in the AL ... no.

Gold Golves are a joke.

I don't disagree with you on that, but if you're basing it on fielding percentage and errors than Jeter is definitely a worthy winner at eight errors and .986. Statistically it's his best defensive year since 1998 (nine errors and a .986 fielding percentage) and that year he didn't win the Gold Glove.

jimed14 · November 2009

but 8 errors in far less attempts ... here ... found this ....

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 09&month=0

Jeter had 340 attempts in 150 games.

By comparison, Cesar Izturis had the same amount amount of attempts in 112 games.

And in a few less games than Jeter, Elvis Andrus had about 70 more attempts.

sure, these guys might have had a few more errors, but these guys are getting to far more more balls, which prevents runners ... the goal of a good defensive shortstop.

xavier mcdaniel · November 2009

Good point, I guess AL coaches and managers are not into Sabrmetrics.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

but 8 errors in far less attempts ... here ... found this ....

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 09&month=0

Jeter had 340 attempts in 150 games.

By comparison, Cesar Izturis had the same amount amount of attempts in 112 games.

And in a few less games than Jeter, Elvis Andrus had about 70 more attempts.

sure, these guys might have had a few more errors, but these guys are getting to far more more balls, which prevents runners ... the goal of a good defensive shortstop.

so now having less errors doesn't prevent runners from scoring :roll: . geez jim you're really reaching now. andrus had 22 errors. 8 errors or 22 errors, tough choice. only one player played more games than jeter.

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

but 8 errors in far less attempts ... here ... found this ....

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 09&month=0

Jeter had 340 attempts in 150 games.

By comparison, Cesar Izturis had the same amount amount of attempts in 112 games.

And in a few less games than Jeter, Elvis Andrus had about 70 more attempts.

sure, these guys might have had a few more errors, but these guys are getting to far more more balls, which prevents runners ... the goal of a good defensive shortstop.

so now having less errors doesn't prevent runners from scoring :roll: . geez jim you're really reaching now. andrus had 22 errors. 8 errors or 22 errors, tough choice. only player played more games than jeter.

ok look at it this way ...

Andrus had 407 attempts and 22 errors ... so he put out 385 guys.

Jeter had 340 attempts with 8 errors ... so he put out 332 guys.

Does that make more sense?

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

ok look at it this way ...

Andrus had 407 attempts and 22 errors ... so he put out 385 guys.

Jeter had 340 attempts with 8 errors ... so he put out 332 guys.

Does that make more sense?

andrus fpct is 968 and jeters is 986

does that make sense?

dude 22 errors is still 22 errors. lets be fucking real here. jeter had less errors than anyone in the top 10 range or no range 8 errors is still good

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

ok look at it this way ...

Andrus had 407 attempts and 22 errors ... so he put out 385 guys.

Jeter had 340 attempts with 8 errors ... so he put out 332 guys.

Does that make more sense?

andrus fcpt is 968 and jeters is 986

does that make sense?

dude 22 errors is still 22 errors. lets be fucking real here. jeter had less errors than anyone in the top 10 range or no range 8 errors is still good

you just aren't understanding my point.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

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you just aren't understanding my point.

whats your point dude. 22 errors is alota errors in a season.

jimed14 · November 2009

metsfan wrote:

jimed14 wrote:

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you just aren't understanding my point.

whats your point dude. 22 errors is alota errors in a season.

Andrus (and others) cover more ground, get to more balls and ultimately ... GET MORE PLAYERS OUT.

Gary Carter · November 2009

jimed14 wrote:

Andrus (and others) cover more ground, get to more balls and ultimately ... GET MORE PLAYERS OUT.

and cause they are all younger than jeter and played less games than jeter. yes age does fact into your range and the ground you can cover. look at jeters numbers when he was younger. everyone in the top 10 has 8-25 errors. no matter how you slice it, that error range is alot to me.

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