Will the economy piss people off enough for them to riot?
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The history books will record the Iraq War and the protests surrounding it, as definitely unique. The first time in history a mass movement of people were that massive prior to one bomb even being dropped, yet as the war in Iraq is in its 6th year and the Afghanistan war in its 8th, a social movement, a mass movement, a coalition to oppose these wars doesnt exist. There havent been any fire bombings. No strikes. No riots. Outside induction centers you dont have a huge number of people handing out flyers saying "dont go". It seems for todays generations of activists, activism is non existant. Or activism revolves, to them, around flyers, petitions, politicians and making "no war" signs and waving them around.
The economy however, on the flip side, seems to be affecting a large amount of people, its very personal, as people are losing their farms, houses, retirements, and life savings. And you have clueless politicians, who feel giving bailouts to multibillion dollar corporations is the solution, all the while normal average joes lose their homes.
The labor history, the labor struggle is rife with stories of riots and mass movements. Yet in all honesty the union and labor movement in the u.s. has been lacking for decades, probably since Eugene Debs failed efforts, and the Great Depression at least. That was the last time, radical labor politics was almost mainstream. Being a socialist in America was actually common.
So, what do you all think will happen as the jobs and the economy worsen? Will people do nothing, as they have been doing reguarding the war? Or will people start becoming radical, and start rioting?
I'd like to think people would rise up and do something, but I was the person in 2001 who assumed people would stand up to Bush and end the wars. And we all know how that turned out.
People seem pissed off as hell about the war, both wars are unpopular, with iraq being the longest war in american history, and it is also more unpopular than vietnam ever was. yet, people almost seem resigned to the war. People seem to be saying, "we disagree with it, but we feel powerless to stop it".
Will a major labor movement emerge?
The economy however, on the flip side, seems to be affecting a large amount of people, its very personal, as people are losing their farms, houses, retirements, and life savings. And you have clueless politicians, who feel giving bailouts to multibillion dollar corporations is the solution, all the while normal average joes lose their homes.
The labor history, the labor struggle is rife with stories of riots and mass movements. Yet in all honesty the union and labor movement in the u.s. has been lacking for decades, probably since Eugene Debs failed efforts, and the Great Depression at least. That was the last time, radical labor politics was almost mainstream. Being a socialist in America was actually common.
So, what do you all think will happen as the jobs and the economy worsen? Will people do nothing, as they have been doing reguarding the war? Or will people start becoming radical, and start rioting?
I'd like to think people would rise up and do something, but I was the person in 2001 who assumed people would stand up to Bush and end the wars. And we all know how that turned out.
People seem pissed off as hell about the war, both wars are unpopular, with iraq being the longest war in american history, and it is also more unpopular than vietnam ever was. yet, people almost seem resigned to the war. People seem to be saying, "we disagree with it, but we feel powerless to stop it".
Will a major labor movement emerge?
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obama sort of has a perfect storm of events and none are in his favor:
1. 2 wars, unbelievably unpopular. These wars are opposed by mainstream america now.
2. A president who pisses off both left and right by his stance on the war.
3. . you have the tea baggers who have shown they are willing to go out and storm the barricades, something the left wing radicals have been unwilling to do.0 -
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No.
As long as the football game and American Idol are on..... no worries.0 -
with the war, people never personalized it. A vast majority of people may be against both wars, but it doesnt touch many peoples lives, as no draft was ever ordered.
With the economy though, people do seem to personalize it, as I said before. Not too many people's next door neighbor is fighting in iraq or afghanistan. But we all know someone, maybe its ourselves, maybe its the neighbor, maybe its the people down the street, who are having a hard time right now.
Thats the difference I think. The fact that the economy is affecting tens of millions of people, hundreds of millions even, while the war, affects a small number of people.
As I said, I sense rage, and anger, that tops anything I ever saw reguarding the war in iraq, in terms of the economy. And its from both sides of the aisle.0 -
with the economy, I dont think people see in political terms, whereas the war always has been seen that way.
You are pissed off about the economy, it doesnt matter what political side the politicians belong to, i think people want ALL the bums out0 -
We're the laziest fattest country in the World.
Any one play the New Modern Warfare yet? It's pretty bad ass.
NERDS!0 -
Protesting hasn't done a thing to stop the war(s) and no one will protest the condition of the economy. People with lives actually go out and find another job instead of protesting.BRING BACK THE WHALE0
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South of Seattle wrote:We're the laziest fattest country in the World.
Any one play the New Modern Warfare yet? It's pretty bad ass.
I don't know if thats a true statement....BRING BACK THE WHALE0 -
Probably not, but it's believableOffHeGoes29 wrote:South of Seattle wrote:We're the laziest fattest country in the World.
Any one play the New Modern Warfare yet? It's pretty bad ass.
I don't know if thats a true statement....
NERDS!0 -
Exactly. Most of us here are working instead of protesting. The media is just a hype machine.OffHeGoes29 wrote:Protesting hasn't done a thing to stop the war(s) and no one will protest the condition of the economy. People with lives actually go out and find another job instead of protesting.NERDS!0 -
People can blame the government ...OffHeGoes29 wrote:Protesting hasn't done a thing to stop the war(s) and no one will protest the condition of the economy. People with lives actually go out and find another job instead of protesting.
People can blame the economy.......
People can blame others....
People can come up with 1,000 excuses......
But most people just need to take a good look in the mirror to find out why their lives are fucked up.......Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
People can blame the government ...OffHeGoes29 wrote:Protesting hasn't done a thing to stop the war(s) and no one will protest the condition of the economy. People with lives actually go out and find another job instead of protesting.
People can blame the economy.......
People can blame others....
People can come up with 1,000 excuses......
But most people just need to take a good look in the mirror to find out why their lives are fucked up.......
good point
what has protesting ever done?
besides minimum wage, workers rights, women rights, minority rights, voting rights, representative government..judicial process, human rights....
you're right. THIS time we should all stay home and look at ourselves in the mirror.0 -
Commy wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
People can blame the government ...OffHeGoes29 wrote:Protesting hasn't done a thing to stop the war(s) and no one will protest the condition of the economy. People with lives actually go out and find another job instead of protesting.
People can blame the economy.......
People can blame others....
People can come up with 1,000 excuses......
But most people just need to take a good look in the mirror to find out why their lives are fucked up.......
good point
you're right.
Thank You....Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:Thank You....
anytime speedy.
you'll be right one of these days. then you wont' miss the sarcasm, i'll put it plainly.Post edited by Commy on0 -
Yep...Commy wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:Thank You....
anytime speedy.
you'll be right one of these days. you wont' miss the sarcasm.
And one of these days you will baffle me with your brilliance......
But today isnt that day..........Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Yep...Commy wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:Thank You....
anytime speedy.
you'll be right one of these days. you wont' miss the sarcasm.
And one of these days you will baffle me with your brilliance......
But today isnt that day..........
and today isnt' the day you understand simple sarcasm apparently either0 -
Again...Commy wrote:
and today isnt' the day you understand simple sarcasm either
One day you will baffle me with your brilliance.....
Today isnt that day.....
Because if for one fucking second you dont think I understood exactly what the fuck you were saying.....
well....
Neverfuckingmind.........Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Again...Commy wrote:
and today isnt' the day you understand simple sarcasm either
One day you will baffle me with your brilliance.....
Today isnt that day.....
Because if for one fucking second you dont think I understood exactly what the fuck you were saying.....
well....
Neverfuckingmind.........
care to address the point i made that set you off then?Post edited by Commy on0 -
No....Commy wrote:SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
Again...Commy wrote:
and today isnt' the day you understand simple sarcasm either
One day you will baffle me with your brilliance.....
Today isnt that day.....
Because if for one fucking second you dont think I understood exactly what the fuck you were saying.....
well....
Neverfuckingmind.........
haha;
care to address the point i made that set you off then?
Have a nice day commy....
Keep fighting the fight....
Whatever the fuck that fight may be.....Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
i understood what commy was saying. he was talking about the things that protesting has achieved. and he's right.SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:Today isnt that day.....
Because if for one fucking second you dont think I understood exactly what the fuck you were saying.....
well....
Neverfuckingmind.........0
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