An Epidemic of Fear

Jeanwah wrote:

I think the basis of the reason many people may be opting out of vaxing their kids could be many reasons, but, because the origin of Autism is still unknown, people are naturally fearing the vaccines BECAUSE Autism is becoming more and more of an epidemic. It hasn't been completely ruled out that mercury is not a cause of Autism. No one really seems to know still what causes it.

I'm not against vaxing my child, but if one thinks about the sheer number of vacs a 2 year old has already had in it's short lifetime, it's A LOT.

And I notice Kaiser Permanente quoted in the article. How interesting that the world's largest insurance beast also has a hospital and are regarded as a sane source for health info. :roll:

I thought that Mercury was no longer part of most (or any?) vaccines. I could be wrong though...

OTOH, I certainly do not care for the opinion that "everyone should be forced into vaccination in order to benefit the entire population." You don't want to vaccinate your kids? Fine, not my fucking business.

arthurdent wrote:

YES, I CAN SAY IT IS ABSOLUTE, SCIENTIFIC FACT. Show me a CREDIBLE study which says otherwise.

you SHOW me a credible source! ... your original link has a dead link in the blog ... i'm not saying it is linked - i'm saying the plethora of studies are inconclusive ... why did they get rid of thimerosol from vaccines then?

arthurdent wrote:

he still stands wrote:

OTOH, I certainly do not care for the opinion that "everyone should be forced into vaccination in order to benefit the entire population." You don't want to vaccinate your kids? Fine, not my fucking business.

This is exactly how epidemics start. Sorry. It's a public health issue. It's either vaccinations... or we quarantine everyone who refuses to get vaccinated.

you gotta be kidding me? ... talk about epidemic of fear!

polaris_x wrote:

arthurdent wrote:

YES, I CAN SAY IT IS ABSOLUTE, SCIENTIFIC FACT. Show me a CREDIBLE study which says otherwise.

you SHOW me a credible source! ... your original link has a dead link in the blog ... i'm not saying it is linked - i'm saying the plethora of studies are inconclusive ... why did they get rid of thimerosol from vaccines then?

I don't think they did get rid of thimerisol from vaccines.

Jeanwah wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

arthurdent wrote:

Actually, we do know FOR AN ABSOLUTE FACT that there is no link between vaccinations and Autism. Jenny McCarthy and her idiot, retarded brethren need to shut the fuck up!!!!!!!!

VACCINES AND AUTISM: ANOTHER DEAD LINK
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... dead-link/

actually - i don't think you can say it is FACT ... studies are inconclusive on this ... referencing a blog that references a dead link is by no means a way of proving your point as FACT ...

You're right, studies still are inconclusive. Autism is becoming more and more widespread with no factual answers anywhere.

I don't think there is a credible study that shows any positive correlation between autism and vaccines with mercury. And it doesn't make sense there would be. Vaccines have probably had the mercury relative in them since vaccines have been around, and yet there was no corresponding bump associated with autism cases then. In fact, now that mercury has been removed from childhood vaccines, there hasn't been any corresponding drop in autism...in fact, hasn't there been a reasonably steady increase? I think that there is something environmental having to do with the rate, but the vaccines aren't the thing. Maybe it isn't just one thing...maybe it's a conglomeration of things--pesticides, BPA in plastics, some unknown at the moment...I just don't think it's vaccines and mercury; it's something more recent than that or some cluster of things more recent than that.

JR8805 wrote:

scb wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

you SHOW me a credible source! ... your original link has a dead link in the blog ... i'm not saying it is linked - i'm saying the plethora of studies are inconclusive ... why did they get rid of thimerosol from vaccines then?

I don't think they did get rid of thimerisol from vaccines.

Thimerisol (sp?) used to be in everything, including contact lens solutions used daily by millions of people. They did get rid of it in most childhood vaccinations. It's been gone for years.

Ah! Childhood vaccines... but not all vaccines. Then I don't get why people don't want to vaccinate their children if their fear Thimerisol-induced autism.

scb wrote:

I think autism is caused by frozen yogurt. There was less autism before frozen yogurt was invented. Autism has increased as frozen yogurt sales have increased. "Studies" show a link but the big frozen yogurt companies cover it up for the sake of their own profit. And of course the main stream media won't report all sides of the story!

Nice one.

First rule of statistics: Correlation does not equal causation. Example we often used is that if it is shown that number of births correlates with the number of storks in the area, does that mean that the storks deliver our babies? Finding two things that rise in the same period of time, does not mean they are related, unless one has a very good reason to believe so. In the case of medicine, that reason must be shown to actually have an effect. An inability to find a causation, does not make all inferences from correlations true.

As for autism, I have more faith in genetic factors having something to do with it, and perhaps some sideeffects of modern life. Small quantities of bad stuffs in food, cell phones, electrical grids all over. I think these are more potential villains than the vaccines we get as kids. Especially since there have not been established any link in the research that have been done on the subject. Here the language of science becomes unsatisfactory for regular uses. No study can ever conclude that A definitely beyond a doubt does not cause B. It can conclude that it is "highly unlikely" which is scientese for "no fucking way". Science can only prove links that do exist, not the ones that doesn't. Thats how it operates.

Peace
Dan