Only 10 million people have Ten? What?!!
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It doesn't add up....
Pearl Jam's worldwide sales are 60m.
Ten sold maybe 13m.
Avocado 1m, Riot Act 1m, Binaural 1m (optimistic estimates).
So, that's 16 million so far.
Does that mean VS, Vitalogy, No Code and Yield all sold 11million copies?
Basically, it's b*******. Sales make no difference, Pearl Jam would be the world's best band even if they had only sold one CD.we're all going to the same place...0 -
i shit and i stink wrote:It doesn't add up....
Pearl Jam's worldwide sales are 60m.
Ten sold maybe 13m.
Avocado 1m, Riot Act 1m, Binaural 1m (optimistic estimates).
So, that's 16 million so far.
Does that mean VS, Vitalogy, No Code and Yield all sold 11million copies?
Basically, it's b*******. Sales make no difference, Pearl Jam would be the world's best band even if they had only sold one CD.
You're mixing up all sorts of things here-- U.S. sales, U.S. units shipped, and international sales. For example, "Ten" has been certified for shipment of 13 million units in the U.S., but it has only sold 9.6 million copies domestically.
You're also leaving out "Live On Two Legs," "Rearviewmirror" (Greatest Hits), "Lost Dogs," "Live at Benaroya Hall" and hundreds of official bootlegs. All of those sales are added to Pearl Jam's total U.S. sales of roughly 25 million for its first eight studio albums. And then you add international sales. The U.S. has less than 5 percent of the world's population.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
BF25394 wrote:Obviously, I have no scientific data to back this up, but it's my considered opinion based on a lifetime of experience in and around music (and people) that it's not even close to 50/50.
agreed.
seriously, i am amazed honestly at the amount of people walking around who really don't even care one way or another about music, overall. i have always been music-oriented as have both my sisters. my parents? nope. my husband is a musician, obviously hugely into music in general as are quite a lot of our friends....but even amongst them, many of their spouses are not, or even amongst those who ARE into music....don't really buy much, and even moreso nowadays. forget DLing, even just all the streaming music on the internet. but honestly, i find the vast majority of people really do not have STRONG feelings about music. most of my extended family, you'd be lucky to find a handful of CDs in any of their homes. me, i cannot even imagine it, but yes....music is a priority for well, really....not that many people. it amazes and baffles me, but it is the reality i see. it seems to me a great many more are passionate about sports than music. sure, lots of people play some background music, turn on the radio, even attend the occasional concert.....but to really be a dedicated fan, or spend a good deal of time with music, not so much...Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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Even people who claim to be passionate about sports mostly aren't. I can't tell you how many people I've met over the years who claim to be HUGE fans of this team or that band, but then show themselves to have no clue. My favorite example of this was when I interviewed a guy who claimed to be a HUGE fan of the San Diego Chargers. It was late September. When I followed up what he said, he then asked if the season had started yet. They had already played four games! Yeah, what a HUGE fan.
Same thing goes for bands. I've gotten my hopes up lots of times when someone has told me that they are a HUGE Pearl Jam fan, and then come to find out that means they like "Daughter" and are not aware that Pearl Jam has put any albums out since 1996. Literally.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
BF25394 wrote:Of course, but most people don't experience music that way. People who post here do, but most people don't take it that seriously. For me and you, "Born To Run" conjures all sorts of emotion and nostalgia, but the majority of people who like it just likee it because it rocks.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Most just don't have an endless list of music that has touched their lives.
Doesn't everybody at least have a song or album that they think was written just for them?0 -
BF25394 wrote:Even people who claim to be passionate about sports mostly aren't. I can't tell you how many people I've met over the years who claim to be HUGE fans of this team or that band, but then show themselves to have no clue. My favorite example of this was when I interviewed a guy who claimed to be a HUGE fan of the San Diego Chargers. It was late September. When I followed up what he said, he then asked if the season had started yet. They had already played four games! Yeah, what a HUGE fan.
Same thing goes for bands. I've gotten my hopes up lots of times when someone has told me that they are a HUGE Pearl Jam fan, and then come to find out that means they like "Daughter" and are not aware that Pearl Jam has put any albums out since 1996. Literally.
ok...that made me laugh.
i admit, i don't give a shit about sports, most i associate with don't really either...so i was just using that as example as to what *appears* to be something more people seem semi-passionate about, whereas for music...outside of this wacked-out little pj reality we all know and love
...i don't see as much of it for music elsewhere as to sports. but this is me on the perifery of convos, and obviously...clueless. anyhoo, yea....you got it. thus, none of this surprises me.DewieCox wrote:BF25394 wrote:Of course, but most people don't experience music that way. People who post here do, but most people don't take it that seriously. For me and you, "Born To Run" conjures all sorts of emotion and nostalgia, but the majority of people who like it just likee it because it rocks.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Most just don't have an endless list of music that has touched their lives.
Doesn't everybody at least have a song or album that they think was written just for them?
short answer? no.
if i polled random people, i think most would stare off into space at the question. seriously. only really passionate music fans seem to have an answer for that imo.
ok...time for lunch! Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
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I've never for the life of me understood how anyone has ever gotten the idea that Pearl Jam isn't a mainstream band. They've always been a mainstream band from day one. Sure, the public perception of No Code diminished the popularity of the band to a degree with some people, but they never ceased to be mainstream. But, as for Ten, I bought it on cassette at the PX during my AIT training at Ft. Sill back in 1991, bought it again when I converted over to CDs from cassettes, have bought 2 CDs since that 1st one due to scratches and just basically wearing them out...then I got the SDE back in march....so over time, I've bought it 5 times. Strange, cuz until just now, I never realized I had bought the same album so many times...damn.0
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BF25394 wrote:i shit and i stink wrote:It doesn't add up....
Pearl Jam's worldwide sales are 60m.
Ten sold maybe 13m.
Avocado 1m, Riot Act 1m, Binaural 1m (optimistic estimates).
So, that's 16 million so far.
Does that mean VS, Vitalogy, No Code and Yield all sold 11million copies?
Basically, it's b*******. Sales make no difference, Pearl Jam would be the world's best band even if they had only sold one CD.
You're mixing up all sorts of things here-- U.S. sales, U.S. units shipped, and international sales. For example, "Ten" has been certified for shipment of 13 million units in the U.S., but it has only sold 9.6 million copies domestically.
You're also leaving out "Live On Two Legs," "Rearviewmirror" (Greatest Hits), "Lost Dogs," "Live at Benaroya Hall" and hundreds of official bootlegs. All of those sales are added to Pearl Jam's total U.S. sales of roughly 25 million for its first eight studio albums. And then you add international sales. The U.S. has less than 5 percent of the world's population.
Good point, but I still don't see how it adds up. According to Wiki the albums through to Yield have combined worldwide sales of about 30m. I don't see how bootlegs, 4 lesser selling albums and other odds and sods could match that figure.
Mind you, I just think the answer is "nobody knows".
The Cure are supposed to have sold just 27 million albums in total and they have even more die-hard fans than Pearl Jam, have been about since the 70s and were said to have sold 70 million in an article I read when Wish came out. I just can't see how any of these figures really add up.
And Oasis have sold 22 million copies of 'Whats The Story?' when they never really made it in America or Europe. Does that mean every household in Britain has at least one copy.we're all going to the same place...0 -
I don't understand why this is so hard to believe. There are actual, quantifiable (by SoundScan) U.S. sales of 25 million for the studio albums alone. Add in "Lost Dogs," "Rearviewmirror" (certified platinum), one official live album and hundreds of other "unofficial" ones (which sold quite well, especially the initial batch in 2000), and you are up over 30 million. It would not be unusual for world sales to match U.S. sales, which would get you to 60 million.
Having said that, bear in mind that the 60 million figure you're citing is an estimate, and it is probably based on RIAA certifications (which, again, reflect units shipped, not units sold). If you add up the RIAA certifications for the first eight studio albums, "Lost Dogs," "Rearviewmirror" and "Live on Two Legs," you get 31.5 million. There are roughly 4-5 million in certifications from Canada and Australia.
Bear in mind also that certifications, although typically higher than sales, can also underestimate the totals. The record company has to ask the RIAA for certifications, and provide data to support it. There may not be anyone left at Epic or J Records who has much motivation to do this for Pearl Jam's catalog since the band is no longer on either label.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I may be mistaken, but I think the RIAA counts the number of discs in an album for certification purposes (as long as the total running time of the entire album is over a certain length of time, and I'm thinking 100 minutes or so)...for example, if someone picked up a copy of Lost Dogs, that would count as 2 because it has 2 discs...even though only one copy of the album itself was bought. Actually, I'm 99.9% positive that's how it works.0
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That's right, although it wouldn't have that much of an effect on the overall total since "Lost Dogs" was only certified gold.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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one of the big four??musicismylife78 wrote:I know its a ridiculous number of records 10 million, but in many ways it seems so little, so small as well.
Think about that...one of the big four bands of the 1990's scene...Ten their most accesible and poppiest and mainstream record...and includes songs they are most famous for Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy...
and only 10 million of us have it? Obviously in 1999 things start becoming skewed because people can start downloading Ten for free and their is no way to tabulate that anymore...but still from 1991-1999 they sold 10 million of this thing.
are you talking about : stp, aic, nirvana and pj?? curious0 -
jr19 wrote:
one of the big four??musicismylife78 wrote:I know its a ridiculous number of records 10 million, but in many ways it seems so little, so small as well.
Think about that...one of the big four bands of the 1990's scene...Ten their most accesible and poppiest and mainstream record...and includes songs they are most famous for Alive, Even Flow, Jeremy...
and only 10 million of us have it? Obviously in 1999 things start becoming skewed because people can start downloading Ten for free and their is no way to tabulate that anymore...but still from 1991-1999 they sold 10 million of this thing.
are you talking about : stp, aic, nirvana and pj?? curious
I think he means Soundgarden, not STP, and by the "the 1990s scene," he means Seattle/"grunge." Because if you're just talking about the four biggest rock bands of the the 1990s, Guns N' Roses, Metallica and U2 are on that list ahead of AIC and Soundgarden.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
I just used that as an example of how "discs" are counted...alot of folks forget the 2000 bootlegs sold fairly well (collectively extremely well) and each of those contained multiple discs as well.BF25394 wrote:That's right, although it wouldn't have that much of an effect on the overall total since "Lost Dogs" was only certified gold.0 -
EP1973 wrote:
I just used that as an example of how "discs" are counted...alot of folks forget the 2000 bootlegs sold fairly well (collectively extremely well) and each of those contained multiple discs as well.BF25394 wrote:That's right, although it wouldn't have that much of an effect on the overall total since "Lost Dogs" was only certified gold.
This is true. In fact, I think something like 19 of the official bootlegs sold well enough to hit the top 200. On the other hand, I don't know whether any of them sold well enough to qualify for gold certification (it would take 250,000 copies, as you point out), or whether Epic ever bothered to take the time and expense to get the certifications.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
10 some copies of that 10 million belong to me!0
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For what it's worth, here's a link from wikipedia showing the boots that sold well enough to chart...and it was quite a few...BF25394 wrote:EP1973 wrote:
I just used that as an example of how "discs" are counted...alot of folks forget the 2000 bootlegs sold fairly well (collectively extremely well) and each of those contained multiple discs as well.BF25394 wrote:That's right, although it wouldn't have that much of an effect on the overall total since "Lost Dogs" was only certified gold.
This is true. In fact, I think something like 19 of the official bootlegs sold well enough to hit the top 200. On the other hand, I don't know whether any of them sold well enough to qualify for gold certification (it would take 250,000 copies, as you point out), or whether Epic ever bothered to take the time and expense to get the certifications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Jam_ ... l_Bootlegs0 -
That's really interesting. It says that the official bootlegs have sold 3.5 million copies.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0
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