Religulous

keeponrockin wrote:

I hate to say it, but Islam is the most dangerous religion IMO. I'm a practicing Athiest, and the shit some radicals are pulling (killing of Theo Van Gogh, the cartoon controversy, etc..) are downright scary...

that's strange... I don't feel dangerous... who knows what I'm capable of now!!

Byrnzie wrote:

George W Bush and Tony Blair both profess to be Christians, right? How many Iraqi's were killed in the past 6 years by these two cocksuckers? Over 1 million. And yet people think Muslims are dangerous?

Edit: I can't help being reminded of Israel's recent massacre in Gaza in January of this year. Israel killed 1,600 Palestinians, including an estimated 800 civilians, compared with 13 Israeli dead - 5 of whom were killed by friendly fire.
And what was the response from the West at the end of this carnage? "Hamas must lay down it's weapons and renounce violence!"

Oh the irony!

I'm not sure why this is turning into a debate about which religion is worse?? All organized religion is shit.

Going by your standards, whichever religion has more access to weapons and economic power is more evil. Personally, I think they are all fucked. And I get the feeling Bill Maher feels the same way. Just because he is jewish, doesn't mean he is choosing sides. I would say much more of that movie was about Christianty than Muslim beliefs.

Some of the anti-jew people here really need to settle down. I agree that the state of Isreal is fucked. But blaming Bill Maher for taking sides is downright silly.

_outlaw wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

I'm not sure why this is turning into a debate about which religion is worse?? All organized religion is shit.

honestly the most thing that bothers me is just how stupid of a claim people end up making when they base their opinions off such a small percentage of a certain group of people. Religion (I never understood why people always threw in "organized" before the word "religion," since there's no such thing as an "unorganized religion") is not "shit." In fact, it plays a large role as the basis for ethics and morality, standards, etc. Now just because a few percentage of religious people abuse it doesn't make it shit. And I'll tell you something, if religion wasn't around, you think people would just stop killing each other? You think people would all of a sudden lead good lives? No matter what, those people who use religion to kill would use ANYTHING to justify what ever it is they are doing. And yet atheists who think they're geniuses because they were able to figure out that God isn't real love to talk shit and sit back and talk about how terrible and evil religion is, as it brainwashes people. It's the combination of ignorance and arrogance and those two combined are disgusting.

Some of the anti-jew people here really need to settle down. I agree that the state of Isreal is fucked. But blaming Bill Maher for taking sides is downright silly.

anti-jew? i think you need to settle down. i don't think anyone is insinuating that bill maher is taking sides because of his religious background, i think it's purely political.

The term "organized religion" is used to describe those that follow religion through the church or the bible. There are many people who believe in a higher power but will not be labeled by one God or another. And they don't need to gather to profess their faith. Hence the term "organized religion".

Sure, religion does have some positive aspects. But many people including myself feel that we don't need religion to lead a moral positive existence. And in my opinion the negatives of religion far outweigh the positives. So yes religion is SHIT.

Loved the movie, and RealTime is one of my favorite shows!


And I also love that he is smart enough not to buy into the 9/11 Truther bullshit. My god! Let it f'n go!

mca47 wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

oh yeah? well, what are the negatives that religion brings and how does it outweigh the positives? and I never said you need religion to lead a moral positive existence, I said religion is responsible for bringing morality, ethics, and standards, for the most part.

you know if i had to bet on it, i would say you learned most of what you know about religion from tv and you really have no true basis to say "the negatives far outweigh the positives" because you don't really know anything about it in general. not just that, but I hate when people say "religion" in general, as if all religions are the same tools of brainwashing. what a joke.

I studied religion in college...among other thing...and there is absolutely no question in my mind that organized religion is the biggest determent that has occurred to the human species. And I make no reference to any religion because they can all be drawn to, and pointed to the obscure and ridiculous in one breath.

if it only takes one breath then how about you guys finally prove your point instead of just tossing around this weak rhetoric.

mca47 wrote:

Since man has been around, how many wars have been caused (at the least) in part because of difference in religious ideology? 80-90% maybe?

statistics look good on paper, let's see something to back that up, shall we?

What's going on in the middle east right now? Would not be happening if not for religion.

actually, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is more about territory than it is about religion. it's a common misconception that it would not be happening if not for religion. Theodor Herzl, who founded modern zionism, founded it on the belief that Jews need a place where they can live in peace and not be persecuted. All this nonsense about God telling us we had to live there came about only afterwards. Secondly, the Palestinian national movement was largely secular during the first several decades of the conflict. It was not until the late 1980s that the Palestinians began turning to religion.
Most other wars that took place in the Middle East, whether it was the first Gulf War, the current war in Iraq, or the war in Afghanistan, was always more for political and territorial reasons than for religious.

Take any religion and you can find people that have killed, maimed, and persecuted that religion based on other religious beliefs.
Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Jewish, Muslim, Jehovah Witness, Mormon, etc....

Like I said before, people are the reason other people were killed, maimed, etc... if it wasn't religion, humans would find some other way to justify means. religious fundamentalism runs so low in societies, people just take advantage of it and use it to their benefit. take Hamas for example, they are a strict religious group who only gained prominence in Palestine because of their ability to resist Israeli terror and their ability to support the Palestinian people, their religious beliefs don't weigh so much into anything.

Not only has organized religion caused millions of deaths, but also...

Cessation and of scientific progression. (Ex. stem cell research, others)
Further progression of the spread of disease.

Now you must be joking and you have clearly proved that you have not studied shit in your school. Sorry but either you had a bad education or you were a bad student. I'll use Islam as an example since I know most about it - if you know anything about its history you would know all the scientific advancements Muslims made, not to mention the philosophical, mathematical, navigational, technological, etc, types of advancements that were only made possible by these crazy nuts who claim that there's a God. In fact, if you claim to have studied religion, you would know that Islam preaches such advancements and education in general.

The teaching of abstinence is an ineffective and immoral teaching.

immoral? Sorry you can say a lot of things about abstinence, but even I don't think it's immoral. In fact, it is completely the opposite. It's very ethical and moral to practice abstinence. Now, that's not to say that it is immoral to not practice abstinence, but I have respect for those who choose to save themselves and not have one-night stands.

Not only will people do what they are evolutionarily designed for, but they will do so with or without Jesus.

so we're evolutionarily designed to go get really drunk at a bar and fuck some hot broad that hits on us? That doesn't make sense. Abstinence perfectly falls in like with "Evolution." As far as I know, Darwin didn't say humans are naturally designed to fuck a bunch of people in their lifetime.

And in fact the belief that condom suppression is a "good idea"...wow...more deaths. Then again science is a bitch.

does the bible say anything about condom suppression? The Qur'an? anything? no, I didn't think so. once again you're using a VERY small group of people to try to paint religion as a whole as being bad. Sorry, doesn't work.

I can go on and on...

please do. you've given no proof that you know anything about any religion or that you even studied any properly. you've only given the most common mainstream arguments that don't work against anyone who has even a decent idea of what he's talking about. please, keep going

brandon10 wrote:

If you can't look at the world around you and realize what a disgrace religion is, then I truly feel sorry for you.

I don't get it, is that what you call proving your point? Is this an argument?

And yes, the Isreal-Palastine conflict is about religion. If it was only about land, they may be able to live side by side. But because of their fucked up religions they prefer to kill each other. And you make posts here like you know everything? You either haven't got a clue or you have been completely brainwashed. Scary either way.

I just gave you a summary of what principle Zionism was founded on, the Palestinian national movement, etc, and all you can respond with is 'no, you're wrong' ?

Really?

And no, I don't know everything. I only have to know more than you about this topic which is fairly easy.

Byrnzie wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

so we're evolutionarily designed to go get really drunk at a bar and fuck some hot broad that hits on us? That doesn't make sense.

Abstinence perfectly falls in like with "Evolution." As far as I know, Darwin didn't say humans are naturally designed to fuck a bunch of people in their lifetime.

Now you're really getting me depressed Outlaw.

haha, I'm not saying I'd preach it, just that logically i can see why it is practiced and preached...