Where They right to Turn their back?

fada
fada Posts: 1,032
edited January 2008 in The Porch
Having heard about the death of Heath Ledger recently where Pearl Jam right to have walked away from the trappings of fame at the time they did?

Was Vitology planned to loose fans . "Pry to", "Bugs" , "aye davanita and "hey foxymoph...... were pretty poor efforts and remind me of a band messing about.

Was there a killer single on the "Vitalogy" album. Probably about three but one could have picked six or seven off each of the other previous efforts.

Now I wasn't a PEarl Jam fan at the time( a bit young a missed the grunge period if truth be told) but alot of fans seemed turned off from PEarl Jam because of Vitalogy.

Spotlight pressure at the time on Eddie was emmence and he didn't want to make videos after Jermey. What would have happened if they hadn't have neglected the fame thing ? Would things have been better or worse.'


Is Eddie alot more peace of mind today that he would be if he had stayed the voice of his "generation"?
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  • Stone Is God
    Stone Is God Posts: 1,331
    fada wrote:
    Now I wasn't a PEarl Jam fan at the time( a bit young a missed the grunge period if truth be told) but alot of fans seemed turned off from PEarl Jam because of Vitalogy.

    Fuck 'em. I'd rather have it the way it is. I was talking about this with my girlfriend last night. I rather go see them with 12,000 who love the band as much as I do then have them play to 30,000 and deal with all the chuckle heads that it would bring.

    They made the right move because it's possible that they might not even be a band right now if they hadn't gone in a complete different direction

    I think what they did took balls and I love even them more for it.
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  • dontgimmenolip
    dontgimmenolip Posts: 198
    fada wrote:
    Having heard about the death of Heath Ledger recently where Pearl Jam right to have walked away from the trappings of fame at the time they did?

    Was Vitology planned to loose fans . "Pry to", "Bugs" , "aye davanita and "hey foxymoph...... were pretty poor efforts and remind me of a band messing about.

    Was there a killer single on the "Vitalogy" album. Probably about three but one could have picked six or seven off each of the other previous efforts.

    Now I wasn't a PEarl Jam fan at the time( a bit young a missed the grunge period if truth be told) but alot of fans seemed turned off from PEarl Jam because of Vitalogy.

    Spotlight pressure at the time on Eddie was emmence and he didn't want to make videos after Jermey. What would have happened if they hadn't have neglected the fame thing ? Would things have been better or worse.'


    Is Eddie alot more peace of mind today that he would be if he had stayed the voice of his "generation"?

    Yes. They were right. Vitalogy considerably helped stem the tide of the almighty Backlash. Had they not retreated from the spotlight, they would have fallen prey to label pressures to keep turning out the hits. they would have all ended up burning out from exhaustion, and they very likely would have broken up. they pulled back to save themselves from the same kind of pressure that kills lesser bands.
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  • fada
    fada Posts: 1,032
    I feel they were right in a way. Eddie would have been in a goldfish bowl environment and would find it very hard to escape from the madness. Cobain should have done what Pearl JAm did or take the beatles route.
  • fada
    fada Posts: 1,032
    Was Vitalogy a deliberate attempt to isolate fans?
  • Slip Kid
    Slip Kid Posts: 1,175
    Pearl Jam in returning to the spotlight. Into The Wild interviews, tv spots with Eddie and such like. Eddie doing a few film spots.

    They all want to get paid so there returning to the media
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  • dontgimmenolip
    dontgimmenolip Posts: 198
    fada wrote:
    Was Vitalogy a deliberate attempt to isolate fans?

    I don't know what it was. I only know that I enjoy all 14 tracks of it.
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  • fada
    fada Posts: 1,032
    Agh come on the four I posted are rubbish.
  • Come Back in Black
    Come Back in Black Posts: 659
    fada wrote:
    Agh come on the four I posted are rubbish.

    Agreed. They suck so bad. But I do really like Vitalogy. The rest of it is just so good.
  • Federico
    Federico Posts: 7,916
    fada wrote:
    Agh come on the four I posted are rubbish.


    is this affirmation cientifically tested or something
  • stupidcorporatewhore
    stupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    fada wrote:
    Agh come on the four I posted are rubbish.

    stupid mop is unlistenable, period. Thre's something seriously wrong with you if you can get through it. much less like it.

    I love Bugs, It's f'n hilarious!

    the others are so short I really don't care.
  • dontgimmenolip
    dontgimmenolip Posts: 198
    fada wrote:
    Agh come on the four I posted are rubbish.

    Rubbish? Nah.

    Pry, to = Fun. Nice groove to it. I actually wish it could have been longer, and had more lyrics.

    Bugs = Also quite fun. And it sums up the situation in which they found themselves, in a clever manner.

    Aye Davanita = is actually kinda pretty. The music is very nice.

    Stupid Mop = I enjoy old Sonic Youth, and I come from a family with a history of mental illness, so the song make sense to me (not because I have mental illnesses, but because it gives a musical context in which to understand the type of internal turmoil my mother and younger brother experienced). I guess something is seriously wrong with me. ;)
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  • fada
    fada Posts: 1,032
    When it comes down to it the four songs I mentioned Did isolate fans. While Vitalogy is non regarded as a great Pearl Jam album it has some fine tracks on it.

    I think of it as an experiment to break free from MTV
  • gibbits
    gibbits Posts: 522
    foxy mop has an awesome jam out guys, where's the love?
  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    gibbits wrote:
    foxy mop has an awesome jam out guys, where's the love?
    i actually didnt listen to it much until i got vitalogy on vinyl... now i listen to the whole thing front to back everytime... and that song has really grown on me... its like a bad car accident that you cant help but look at... it forces that inner hidden interest in the grotesque... like a circus side show... it creeps the shit out of me in a good way... like a haunted house... and yes the jammin throughout is pretty solid!
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  • Jack_C_Gregory
    Jack_C_Gregory Posts: 540
    fada wrote:
    When it comes down to it the four songs I mentioned Did isolate fans. While Vitalogy is non regarded as a great Pearl Jam album it has some fine tracks on it.

    I think of it as an experiment to break free from MTV

    Not that Rolling Stone is a great or final authority, but this album was on it's list of 500 best albums of all time(the only other one being Ten). And when the Avocado album came out, some of the ads featuring music critic bylines said something along the lines of, "Best work since Vitalogy." I'm the first to say you shouldn't bow down to the opinion of music critics, but they apparently did think it was a great album(as did I).
  • My3rdEye
    My3rdEye Posts: 927
    fada wrote:
    Having heard about the death of Heath Ledger recently where Pearl Jam right to have walked away from the trappings of fame at the time they did?

    Was Vitology planned to loose fans . "Pry to", "Bugs" , "aye davanita and "hey foxymoph...... were pretty poor efforts and remind me of a band messing about.

    Was there a killer single on the "Vitalogy" album. Probably about three but one could have picked six or seven off each of the other previous efforts.

    Now I wasn't a PEarl Jam fan at the time( a bit young a missed the grunge period if truth be told) but alot of fans seemed turned off from PEarl Jam because of Vitalogy.

    Spotlight pressure at the time on Eddie was emmence and he didn't want to make videos after Jermey. What would have happened if they hadn't have neglected the fame thing ? Would things have been better or worse.'


    Is Eddie alot more peace of mind today that he would be if he had stayed the voice of his "generation"?

    I agree with what you are saying at least to some extent. They definately started pulling away with this album. Probably the reason they sold like 500 copies of No Code. Vitalogy lost alot of casual listeners and they didn't come back.

    Face it. You don't release Tremor Christ as your first single if you want to have a radio hit and draw in more fans. I love the song but it's not for radio listeners.
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  • HushBull
    HushBull Posts: 996
    fada wrote:
    I feel they were right in a way. Eddie would have been in a goldfish bowl environment and would find it very hard to escape from the madness. Cobain should have done what Pearl JAm did or take the beatles route.

    Please don't mention Cobain and the Beatles in the same sentence...thank you
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  • SBC03
    SBC03 Posts: 502
    the album would have been TOO good without those

    1. Last Exit
    2. Spin The Black Circle
    3. Not For You
    4. Tremor Christ
    5. Nothingman
    6. Whipping
    8. Corduroy
    10. Satan's Bed
    11. Better Man
    13. Immortality

    TOO fuckingood

    Why wasnt there any B sides or outtakes from this album on lost dogs?






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  • walkthamile
    walkthamile Posts: 349
    fada wrote:
    Having heard about the death of Heath Ledger recently where Pearl Jam right to have walked away from the trappings of fame at the time they did?

    Was Vitology planned to loose fans . "Pry to", "Bugs" , "aye davanita and "hey foxymoph...... were pretty poor efforts and remind me of a band messing about.

    Was there a killer single on the "Vitalogy" album. Probably about three but one could have picked six or seven off each of the other previous efforts.

    Now I wasn't a PEarl Jam fan at the time( a bit young a missed the grunge period if truth be told) but alot of fans seemed turned off from PEarl Jam because of Vitalogy.

    Spotlight pressure at the time on Eddie was emmence and he didn't want to make videos after Jermey. What would have happened if they hadn't have neglected the fame thing ? Would things have been better or worse.'


    Is Eddie alot more peace of mind today that he would be if he had stayed the voice of his "generation"?

    Vitalogy is their best record, and the album would'nt be the same without Pry to, Bugs, AYe Davanita...If anything Vitalogy was a litte rougher around the edges and less produced but still their best work. I think No Code was the album to shake off the fairweather fans.
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  • Igottago
    Igottago Posts: 483
    Well I'd say they were right because they are still around and making music. They probably wouldn't have lasted as a band had they given into pressure to release another Ten or Vs, and release video after video. Instead, they made more artistically adventurous albums, and actually became a better band.

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