Why does Tool play the same setlist?

catefrances · August 2009

dcfaithful wrote:

SVRDhand13 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i am and it doesnt suck for me.

dont you all ever play an album over and over again????

Yea but you pay for the album once, here you pay $50+ for each performance and should get something a little different each time.

Exactly. Otherwise, I'd be happy just listening to the album over and over again...

Tool tickets arent' exactly cheap either. I'd be pretty bummed if I saw PJ two nights in a row and the set lists were the same each night.

well then if youre so concerned about being ripped off just see them once. simple.

if you know TOOL then you know how it works. if you see them multiple times just on the odd chance theyll pull something out of their arses, rather than cause you get off just hearing them do their thing regardless of whether you heard them the night before, then whos fault is that??? theyre TOOL not pearl jam.

pjfan021 · August 2009

i'm a huge fan and loved their albums but am at odds a little with this topic...the put on a great show every time but this is about the 4th or 5th tour since 10k days came out and mixing up the set would be nice. i thinkg they put on a stellar show but for a band of that caliber to not perform some other material kinda sucks.

rhcpjam1029 · August 2009

i actually just saw them last night and i must say, it was one of the best concerts i've ever been to.

and to be honest, i was expecting maynard to keep his mouth shut the entire time but he was actually very enthusiastic and nice to the crowd. "new york's nice," he said," but you don't fuck with jersey."

LotteryWinner · August 2009

musicismylife78 wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

and I dont think it has anything to do with my original question., When you talk about the Radiohead and Tool of the world I think you are talking about some of the most original and experimental bands ever. Bands that arent simply pleased with creating "good" albums. They want to create music that breaks boundaries, that challenges audiences, that inspires.

So the paradox of them playing the same songs night after night, rarely altering their setlist, is puzzling in that respect.

I dont know if I buy the lights excuse. Radiohead spent as much time on the last tours worried about the lights and construction of them, as they did on the planning of the shows and booking of the shows. They put on one of the most environmentally friendly lives shows in terms of their touring structure but also the light show as well. And they are still touring.

tool...original???

Ever heard of Pink Floyd?

Are Pink Floyd still a band and still touring? Tool is, and they are, one of the most original bands currently and of all time. My statement stands

Are you implying that Tool is even as remotely original or experimental as Pink Floyd?

Ledbetterman10 · August 2009

pjfan021 wrote:

i'm a huge fan and loved their albums but am at odds a little with this topic...the put on a great show every time but this is about the 4th or 5th tour since 10k days came out and mixing up the set would be nice.

wait, so they don't even change the setlist from tour to tour? I thought that they keep it the same throughout a tour (which is lame) but not it's not the same every year.

musicismylife78 · August 2009

From what I understand, since 2006 when 10,000 days came out, they have essentially played the same songs every single night. And from what I can tell, they have toured in 2006/2007/2008 and also in 2009.

The set list hasnt varied much at all from:

Jambi
Stinkfist
46 & 2
Schism
Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
Flood
Aenema
Lateralus
Vicarious

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from what I can tell its been these 10 songs, and nothing else from 2006-2009.

musicismylife78 · August 2009

how long do they usually play?

With a normal band 10 songs is a pretty short set, but those songs listed are 7 8 and 9 minutes songs, and I would assume they stretch them out a little longer in a live setting.

Do they not play encores?

rrivers · August 2009

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Having known people who have worked with them, the band members do live-up to the band name!

Oooh!!!! Do tell!

rrivers · August 2009

musicismylife78 wrote:

Do they not play encores?

I'm pretty sure they don't. I remember reading something from one of the band members explaining why, but I can't remember what it was.

pjfan021 · August 2009

they never played an encore when i've seen them. they play for about 1hr 45 min and they all just kinda sit down in front of the drum kit and chill out for about ten minutes. then they get up and play maybe two more songs. it's a great show..seriously..but i can see why someone wouldn't want to see them 4 times in a row and see the same 9 songs.

mookeywrench · August 2009

rrivers wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Do they not play encores?

I'm pretty sure they don't. I remember reading something from one of the band members explaining why, but I can't remember what it was.

well if you play the same set night after night, there's no point of an encore.

musicismylife78 · August 2009

I guess my whole point of the thread is not whether tool has a right to do the same 10 songs for basically every single show the last 4 years. But more, Tool are one of those bands whose music is intensely personal and means a hell of alot to fans. Their whole aura the lyrics the videos, and the albums themselves, are very much artwork in the sense of what I view music to be. Reguardless of your opinion of 10,000 days, I think its safe to say, Tool could give a damn about critics, and about putting out product just to make money. As I said, I dont think they giver a damn whether 100 or 100,000,000 people buy their albums. They want to express their feelings and art to the world.

I also think its pretty evident from their music and from interviews of the band, that they are very talented and creative people.

So again, Tool can do whatever the hell they want. Thats been their operating idea since day 1. And I dont think its going to change,.

But just from an artist perspective, from a perspective of people who create art and make music that is meant to mean something to people (as opposed to sell music units like a Britney or Christina), that playing the same setlist night after night would be boring, and soul crushing.

You think Ed would be happy, every night playing the same songs, for every single show? The answers obvious.

rrivers · August 2009

musicismylife78 wrote:

I guess my whole point of the thread is not whether tool has a right to do the same 10 songs for basically every single show the last 4 years. But more, Tool are one of those bands whose music is intensely personal and means a hell of alot to fans. Their whole aura the lyrics the videos, and the albums themselves, are very much artwork in the sense of what I view music to be. Reguardless of your opinion of 10,000 days, I think its safe to say, Tool could give a damn about critics, and about putting out product just to make money. As I said, I dont think they giver a damn whether 100 or 100,000,000 people buy their albums. They want to express their feelings and art to the world.

I also think its pretty evident from their music and from interviews of the band, that they are very talented and creative people.

So again, Tool can do whatever the hell they want. Thats been their operating idea since day 1. And I dont think its going to change,.

But just from an artist perspective, from a perspective of people who create art and make music that is meant to mean something to people (as opposed to sell music units like a Britney or Christina), that playing the same setlist night after night would be boring, and soul crushing.

You think Ed would be happy, every night playing the same songs, for every single show? The answers obvious.

So what was your point with this thread?

musicismylife78 · August 2009

rrivers wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I guess my whole point of the thread is not whether tool has a right to do the same 10 songs for basically every single show the last 4 years. But more, Tool are one of those bands whose music is intensely personal and means a hell of alot to fans. Their whole aura the lyrics the videos, and the albums themselves, are very much artwork in the sense of what I view music to be. Reguardless of your opinion of 10,000 days, I think its safe to say, Tool could give a damn about critics, and about putting out product just to make money. As I said, I dont think they giver a damn whether 100 or 100,000,000 people buy their albums. They want to express their feelings and art to the world.

I also think its pretty evident from their music and from interviews of the band, that they are very talented and creative people.

So again, Tool can do whatever the hell they want. Thats been their operating idea since day 1. And I dont think its going to change,.

But just from an artist perspective, from a perspective of people who create art and make music that is meant to mean something to people (as opposed to sell music units like a Britney or Christina), that playing the same setlist night after night would be boring, and soul crushing.

You think Ed would be happy, every night playing the same songs, for every single show? The answers obvious.

So what was your point with this thread?

what do you mean?

mookeywrench · August 2009

i think he means you just spewed out so much verbage in that post that whatever it was you were trying to say was lost.

brevity is key.

darthvedder · August 2009

musicismylife78 wrote:

From what I understand, since 2006 when 10,000 days came out, they have essentially played the same songs every single night. And from what I can tell, they have toured in 2006/2007/2008 and also in 2009.

The set list hasnt varied much at all from:

Jambi
Stinkfist
46 & 2
Schism
Lost Keys
Rosetta Stoned
Flood
Aenema
Lateralus
Vicarious

----

from what I can tell its been these 10 songs, and nothing else from 2006-2009.

I saw them on their small venue mini tour in 2006. They played The Pot and The Patient.

I saw them on their arena tour in 2006. They played Right In Two with an Intension teaser.

I saw them on their final tour of 2007. Jello Biafra of Dead Kennedys came out and they did Holiday In Cambodia.

I saw them twice on the Lateralus tour. I got to hear songs such as Opiate, Pushit, Undertow, and H, as well as the whole Lateralus album-Ticks and Leeches.

I've been pretty fortunate when it comes to Tool shows.

soulsinging · August 2009

musicismylife78 wrote:

But just from an artist perspective, from a perspective of people who create art and make music that is meant to mean something to people (as opposed to sell music units like a Britney or Christina), that playing the same setlist night after night would be boring, and soul crushing.

Do you know this because you're a musician, or because that is the way you think/want to believe artists are and should be?

J C · August 2009

After seeing these guys twice, I think their reasons for not changing the set would be more to do with the animations and visuals which accompany the music. I remember the first time I saw them they had live contortionists on stage, amazing visuals and the whole performance was like watching a piece at the theater. I think that's what they are setting out to do. Provide an art-style performance. They are at the complete opposite end of a band such as Pearl Jam when it comes to the live show. Pearl Jam skip the theatrics and go straight in for the rock experience meaning they can play whatever the hell they want. Just two very different styles I think. Both awesome for different reasons. (Although not many bands can do the 'Pearl Jam' and play whatever the hell they want and still leave punters satisfied).

rrivers · August 2009

mookeywrench wrote:

i think he means you just spewed out so much verbage in that post that whatever it was you were trying to say was lost.

brevity is key.

Well said. He started to say why he started the thread and then got off course. I was interested in hearing why he started it.

Brisk. · August 2009

Because they are badass!

The set the played for me at download festival in 06 was PERFECT!

Maybe its because they put a lot of work into the songs and they are extremely complex unlike pearl jam songs. And who would get bored of any of their setlists anyway, like i said complex!!! Okay.. maybe its lame if you saw every show on the tour, but then again thats just crazy :P

Why does Tool play the same setlist?

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