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C.C. Nicosia
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I'm sure this topic has been addressed gobs already but could someone with a little patience tell me ...are the tix that are for sale there being sold by TC members? if not not, how are there tix for sale before Ticketmaster... are they brokers?
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many ways for tickets to be on Ebay, StubHub, etc.... season passes, corporate suites and ticket oppotunities, employee presales, etc.
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5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
As we approach on-sale dates for the upcoming tour, I've noticed lots of you are curious / concerned / outraged at the plethora of tickets that somehow appear on all these reseller sites at inflated prices - even before the pre-sale dates. I'll do my best to explain the situation as I see it, as well as clarify my organization's stance in the matter.
NIN decides to tour this summer. We arrive at the conclusion outdoor amphitheaters are the right venue for this outing, for a variety of reasons we've throughly considered*. In the past, NIN would sell the shows in each market to local promoters, who then "buy" the show from us to sell to you. Live Nation happens to own all the amphitheaters and bought most of the local promoters - so if you want to play those venues, you're being promoted by Live Nation. Live Nation has had an exclusive deal with TicketMaster that has just expired, so Live Nation launched their own ticketing service. Most of the dates on this tour are through Live Nation, some are through TicketMaster - this is determined by the promoter (Live Nation), not us.
Now we get into the issue of secondary markets for tickets, which is the hot issue here. The ticketing marketplace for rock concerts shows a real lack of sophistication, meaning this: the true market value of some tickets for some concerts is much higher than what the act wants to be perceived as charging. For example, there are some people who would be willing to pay $1,000 and up to be in the best seats for various shows, but MOST acts in the rock / pop world don't want to come off as greedy pricks asking that much, even though the market says its value is that high. The acts know this, the venue knows this, the promoters know this, the ticketing company knows this and the scalpers really know this. So...
The venue, the promoter, the ticketing agency and often the artist camp (artist, management and agent) take tickets from the pool of available seats and feed them directly to the re-seller (which from this point on will be referred to by their true name: SCALPER). I am not saying every one of the above entities all do this, nor am I saying they do it for all shows but this is a very common practice that happens more often than not. There is money to be made and they feel they should participate in it. There are a number of scams they employ to pull this off which is beyond the scope of this note.
StubHub.com is an example of a re-seller / scalper. So is TicketsNow.com.
Here's the rub: TicketMaster has essentially been a monopoly for many years - certainly up until Live Nation's exclusive deal ran out. They could have (and can right now) stop the secondary market dead in its tracks by doing the following: limit the amount of sales per customer, print names on the tickets and require ID / ticket matches at the venue. We know this works because we do it for our pre-sales. Why don't THEY do it? It's obvious - they make a lot of money fueling the secondary market. TicketMaster even bought a re-seller site and often bounces you over to that site to buy tickets (TicketsNow.com)!
NIN gets 10% of the available seats for our own pre-sale. We won a tough (and I mean TOUGH) battle to get the best seats. We require you to sign up at our site (for free) to get tickets. We limit the amount you can buy, we print your name on the tickets and we have our own person let you in a separate entrance where we check your ID to match the ticket. We charge you a surcharge that has been less than TicketMaster's or Live Nation's in all cases so far to pay for the costs of doing this - it's not a profit center for us. We have essentially stopped scalping by doing these things - because we want true fans to be able to get great seats and not get ripped off by these parasites.
I assure you nobody in the NIN camp supplies or supports the practice of supplying tickets to these re-sellers because it's not something we morally feel is the right thing to do. We are leaving money on the table here but it's not always about money.
Being completely honest, it IS something I've had to consider. If people are willing to pay a lot of money to sit up front AND ARE GOING TO ANYWAY thanks to the rigged system, why let that money go into the hands of the scalpers? I'm the one busting my ass up there every night. The conclusion really came down to it not feeling like the right thing to do - simple as that.
My guess as to what will eventually happen if / when Live Nation and TicketMaster merges is that they'll move to an auction or market-based pricing scheme - which will simply mean it will cost a lot more to get a good seat for a hot show. They will simply BECOME the scalper, eliminating them from the mix.
Nothing's going to change until the ticketing entity gets serious about stopping the problem - which of course they don't see as a problem. The ultimate way to hurt scalpers is to not support them. Leave them holding the merchandise. If this subject interests you, check out the following links. Don't buy from scalpers, and be suspect of artists singing the praises of the Live Nation / TicketMaster merger. What's in it for them?
[online.wsj.com]
[www.boston.com]
[articles.latimes.com]
[www.econtalk.org]
[seattlepi.nwsource.com]
[www.stanford.edu]
[usgovinfo.about.com]
[blogs.consumerreports.org]
[www.dailytexanonline.com]
[news.google.com]
[www.financialpost.com]
[www.wisegeek.com]
[en.wikipedia.org]
[online.wsj.com]
[online.wsj.com]
* I fully realize by playing those venues we are getting into bed with all these guys. I've learned to choose my fights and at this point in time it would be logistically too difficult to attempt to circumvent the venues / promoter / ticketing infrastructure already in place for this type of tour. For those of you about to snipe "it's your fault for playing there, etc... " - I know it is.
I agree, it is interesting to hear the artist's perspective. And, yeah, I would prefer that that money go to the artist rather than to a scalper. But we already see complaints on this forum about the "official" prices for tickets to see Eddie or PJ.
I would be willing to pay some incrementally higher amount for tickets in exchange for a fair shot at all seats. An auction could get ugly, though. As much as I love PJ, I can buy a lot of albums and bootlegs for $2500.
"Dirt Like Me" knows what he/she is talking about. That is exactly what happens. The only way to stop this is NOT buy from the secondary markets. Also, I wonder if the more PJ's fan base grows there will be less tickets available? If they are only allowed a certain amount of tickets for club people others will get shut out. They could fill most of the arena's with just 10 club people. It's too bad the entertainment industry can't just give in once and make exception for PJ and for the fan club so we can be happy- they'll still make $$$$ b/c PJ sells out all the time anyway. I wrote my congressman here in NY on scalping but I think his hands are tied too. :x We really have to say Fuck You I'm not supporting this and walk away.
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unfortunately, scalping will never go away
its just really grown in he past 10 years due to the internet-now every tom dick and harry that has preferential access to tickets can easily resell for a profit without much effort-it has also caused a proliferation of online brokers-I truly believe this to be the heart of the problem
if there was a way (or a federal law) to stop internet resales, I think the problem would not be as bad
back when scalpers had to work the venue day of the show, it was nowhere near as bad
I thought this was pretty interesting
Miley Cyrus is doing this too....I bought tix to take my two girls and it was listed as "Ticketless"....you show your ID and credit card to gain entry
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I only go to see Pearl Jam now. That is the only fan club I am in. There are other bigger bands I would like to see but I have not looked into how tickets work yet. It's sad you have to consider this before becoming a fan now. Pearl Jam exposed me to Kings of Leon and My Morning Jacket and I want to see them live again. But now KOL is blowing up and getting really popular and probably expensive too.
Right now Pearl Jam is the only big band I go to see. I refuse to pay money and feed into the market of scalper/resellers. You try to do your part like some mentioned above. BUT as my dad used to say...."there is an ass for every seat." That is so true and literal in this case. People will buy anything. So I doubt it will be stopped by us revolutionaries of the ticket sellers. I hope we can.
It's just people with money that are the problem like every other plagued industry in this country. The rich just buy and spend and the younger and/or less fortunate miss out on good things they can't afford. Has capitalism gone too far these days? It seems capitalism works in reality to help the rich and in theory isn't it supposed to create competition and make prices better? I guess it does not work well for concert tickets anyway.
All said I am very thankful to artists like Pearl Jam and NIN that try to help the fans despite all the bad in the industry. Thank you to all the bands that try!!!
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1) I am in the fan club and can get early tickets (a la 10 Club)
2) I get a decent seat on a TicketMaster or Live Nation public on sale
3) Tickets are 100% GA and therefore there is no mark-up based on seat location as long as it isn't sold out
4) I get a ticket from a secondary seller (scalper) or on Ebay for less than face value on the day of the show
Never will I pay over face to a scalper.
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Same for AC/DC here in Vancouver . . . those on the floor have to present their credit card and id on the day of the show to get their tickets. I don't mind standing in line if it means that people who actually wanted to see the show are getting in
they had sec 334 row 1 seats for $118 each which I thought was reasonable...it's misleading because once you select them they tack on $25 in fees to each ticket but I got them anyway
I was paranoid that if I waited until closer to the show I wouldn't get good seats without paying more
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Get a load of this....
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Tickets-Pearl-Jam ... .m20.l1116
Crazy!
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I'm speechless...just speechless. I decided way back when we started our family that I would no longer pay more than face value for a show. Not be be all high & mighty but hey, just couldn't afford it/had to change priorities & lets face it, the band & the others who do bust their asses are not the ones seeing all that extra $. Of course this has meant not going to many shows & many times if I haven't been able to get 10c tix I have just not gone. I have often checked out StubHub but am always sickened by the prices & shady methods they access tix & therefore cheat the true fans out of the opportunity. But again & someone else has already said their dad said (&mine said similar too) There's an ass for every seat. There are some young/new fans who just can't afford this trend that's just picking up speed. But not only the new fans miss out but us "old" fans who just don't have the disposable income any longer! Upsetting or not thanks fo sharing info! At least w/PJ-they've tried & they do give us our Boots
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interesting article
I'm seeing Green Day in Philly next week and when I bought the ticket will call was the only option
I saw No Doubt in June and they printed your name on the ticket
great-why can't this be the norm. Fuck the online scalpers :evil: leave all the seats for the fans
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'06-Camden 5/28
'08-Camden 6/20
'09-Closing Down the Philly Spectrum! 10/28, 10/30, & the Epic 10/31
'09-EV Solo Tower Theater, Upper Darby, PA6/12
'10-MSG1& MSG2, New York City, 5-20 & 5/21
Sorry is the fool who pays $5,000 dollars for tickets.
Well said! I'm all for free enterprise, but that's just ridiculous...
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