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So you think he's lying ? why would a man of his caliber who is also head of the psych dept at Johns Hopkins and who has no interest in the case lie ? How do you know he's wrong are you a mind reader. have you seen the files? Like I said the facts are right in front of you, You are the one who chooses to ignore them.
I doubt it..spearhead wrote:I watched all 8 minutes of it
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Really ?? please show proof of this law.spearhead wrote:The law says a viable fetus doesn't have the same rights as you or I for many reasons, like some of the ones I mentioned before; Incephaly and other terminal brian diseases being only some of them. If you are0 -
No...seriously, I DID watch ALL 8 minutes of it ... I'd heard of that interview, but honestly never had a chance to see it before so I wanted to watch it...
Dr. McHugh made that video, sat for that interview, after the Attorney General of the state had asked him not to, because he had obtained those records illegaly and would be violating the law as it pertained to patient privacy by publicly discussing the records ... Dr. McHugh is a long time, well known anti abortion activist, and is very closely tied to some groups who have acted despicably, most notably Women Influencing the Nation and kansans For Life.
I watched it...I was alone and far away when I heard the band start playing!
...I was always a DeadHead, but when I first heard Winston Rodney, aka the Burning Spear, sing, I became a SpearHead too!0 -
1. How can anyone claim to know the motivations behind another person's actions, e.g. "he did it for the money"?
2. What makes the man in this video a legitimate source? How do we know that he has "no interest in the case" and no personal agenda? Why should he be considered an even MORE legitimate source of medical judgement than the doctors (there would have been at least 2 or 3) who actually had a professional relationship with the patients - or the patients themselves? What makes him an even MORE legitimate source of judgement than the legal professionals who have scrutinized the circumstances under which Dr. Tiller performed late-term abortions and found that he acted within the boundaries of the law (which doesn't allow the abortion of viable fetuses for casual reasons)? How is he a MORE legitimate source of information about clinic practices (e.g. "there were no follow-up plans for these women") that those who work or are seen in the clinic?
3. The implication that having an abortion increases the risk of suicide because pregnancy & motherhood supposedly decrease the risk of suicide is completely faulty reasoning propagated by the anti-abortion movement for the sole purpose of misleading people about the risks of abortion. This myth has been dispelled by the major professional organizations, including the American Psychiatric Association. Any video or person which suggests that this is true cannot be taken seriously.
4. His statements that the mental health conditions of the women don't meet the criteria of being irreversable because the purpose of phychiatry is to restore mental health - and that not a SINGLE case was justifiable - suggest that he doesn't believe mental health should EVER be a reason for having an abortion. So then why is he even pretending to review the individual merits of cases? That sounds like a whole seperate argument to me. Plus, I think he's misrepresenting the law anyway. Also, you can't take anyone seriously who says "100% of psychiatrists would agree with me". "100% of my opponents' decisions are wrong and 100% of everyone else is on my side" is always a warning sign that the discussion isn't accurate or objective.
5. As for his question about whether anyone would ever be considered an inappropriate candidate based on psychological grounds - and bearing in mind the woman in my town who recently murdered her 3-year-old and buried him under the swingset in a public park - I think an argument could be made that anyone who wants to "kill" her viable "baby" for no "good" reason is not psychologically sound enough to be made to carry that fetus to term. (Whether or not her "mental health condition" is reversable is irrelevant.)0 -
spearhead wrote:The law says a viable fetus doesn't have the same rights as you or I for many reasons, like some of the ones I mentioned before;
Yep, you're right. And some laws need to be changed.hippiemom = goodness0 -
You're completely right about mchugh ... he has been shown many times to be a fraud and an extremist, and his thoughts on this case are totally irrelevant.
He's just another one who thinks that his personal religious opinion trumps any law that he doesn't agree with.I was alone and far away when I heard the band start playing!
...I was always a DeadHead, but when I first heard Winston Rodney, aka the Burning Spear, sing, I became a SpearHead too!0 -
spearhead wrote:Thanks. I felt it had some very good information in there too.
Look, all of us know how controversial this is, but I've never met anyone who was really pro abortion, I'm sure not, and I don't believe any woman does this for casual reasons, as some have alleged, nor do I believe that Doctors like George Tiller perform these procedures for the money or for any other casual reason.
If you really look closely, there are almost always some tragic thing that people have gone through in their lives that lead up to such a decision. I think we all could learn more about it, and the more we understand what really leads to most abortions, we can help to make them rarer, and safer.
excellent post.
hiya spearhead, good to see you round this parts and thank you for sharing this website. i shall definitely give it a good look on my own time.
scb - as ever, great, informed post. #2 in particular is exactly my thoughts.Stay with me...
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