What would have been different if Gore was elected?

decides2dream wrote:

just an FYI - a 'warning label' on a product is NOT censorship. it's a label. BIG difference.

and amazing to think ALL politicans are celarly lying, cheating scum...not a ONE could have even one redeeming quality or desire to do good in the world...only self-proclaimed radicals posting on message boards can. all politicans are not the same, because all people are not the same. talk about painting with a broad brush! of course, we should simply pack it all in and go back to hunting and gathering. have to get off the computer tho. you first.


seriously....gore and bush = NOt the same. and it would be a very different place. still maybe not what you want, or many others, but it most definitely would be different, and more than likely...for the better. however, if one thinks mccain and obama are the same, all are the same...well i guess all you see is 'sameness'.......whereas many of us see differences. again, they may be too sublte for you - that i can appreciate, but differences none the less that some of us happen to deem important.



btw - even if gore disagreed with his wife - and i doubt he did - but evn if he did, why in the hell should he apologize for her? puh-leese. she is her own person and can speak and act for herself, and certainly doesn't need her husband to apologize for her actions, it ain't the 1950s anymore........

I didnt buy many records as a kid, people bought them for me. And I dont come from a major city. But I remember as a teen I became interested in hip hop. I went to the local mall, and went to Sam Goody's. I tried to buy a hip hop record that had the parental advisory sticker on it, and was told I couldnt buy it, as I was underage, and my parents werent with me. It wasnt like I had 2 bucks and couldnt afford it. I had enough money.

Another time in my teens I tried to buy the Mechanical Animals marilyn manson record. I was asked for i.d. to prove I was 18. Again, I had the money. I was 18 this time so I could buy it.

Yes, I could have maybe gone to Target or Best Buy or another cd store to get the cd. I could have gone to another store instead of Sam Goody's and maybe got the warning labeled hip hop cd without trouble.

The fact is, this happened to me. And it proves the point. It is censorship. Its like the Movie rating system. Its a group of 10 people, no one knows who they are (or in the case of the movie rating team we didnt used to know who they were). Who decides whats objectionable cd content?

Why do some albums with profanity get stickered and others not? If you believe like I do, some violence is necessary to explain something. For example in discussing war, Saving Private Ryan would not have worked without the violence. The movie was made to show the brutality and lack of humanity in war, and it did its job. Without the violence and profanity the movie would have been laughable. Or in discussing the conditions in inner city projects, Biggie and Tupac showed or told us in startling and disturbing detail what that life was like. They would not be considered two of the most important hip hop musicians ever, had their music been without that.

Who has the right to tell me what i can and cant listen to and BUY! If I have the money, and you are selling the product, as long as we arent talking cigarettes and alcohol, why should it be of any concern how old I am?

As I said before, some of our favorite records, albums we grew up with are objectionable. I dont know where I would be had I been denied those records.

soulsinging wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Oh shut

Is that supposed to be "Oh shit, I just got owned" or is it more like "Oh shut up, facts are silly things and I don't need to have any sort of grasp on reality, facts, chronology, history, or politics to be completely correct about my sweeping and unfounded generalizations?"

musicismylife78 wrote:

So Gore didnt think music and objectionable content was bad in 1992? He changed his opinion and said "my wife was wrong back in 1985 and I was wrong in 1985"?

Lets be clear and not forget he was a sitting politician, whether we are talking 85 or 1992. He was in power.

Yeah and when I think of rational and level headed and honest debate, a sharing of ideas, one person saying an idea, and another sharing another, while being respectful, I definitely dont picture you dear friend Soulsinging.
The fact you defend a politician, any politician says alot about you soulsinging. In my code of ethics and moral, politicians are scum and liars. They lie cheat and steal. Not the group of folk I usually cast my lot with. But if you want to spend your days sucking up to these lowlives, go ahead, hope it works out for ya.

Politics is so stupid. PJ can support whoever they want, but look at what Tester has done. The guy is the same garbage as every other politician. He isnt remotely progressive. And is intolerant.

Clearly, you've never had a wife or serious gf. You don't pick fights you don't need to. Odds are Gore didn't give a flying fuck about the PA sticker going on albums. How is it different from movie ratings?

That said, since we're talking about intolerance, it's rather un-progressive of you to act like Tipper should not say anything without Gore's approval. Fact is, Tipper's her own person. She made that her cause and Al said "have fun dear, I'm going to worry about other problems and stay out of this one." It's not worth publicly battling your wife over something that trivial. If you'd ever had a serious relationship, you might understand the desire to avoid the doghouse.

Yep it was the second one, because when people want honest, informative and truthful ideas they come to you soulsinging. Crickets.... Anyone there?

soulsinging wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Oh shut

Is that supposed to be "Oh shit, I just got owned" or is it more like "Oh shut up, facts are silly things and I don't need to have any sort of grasp on reality, facts, chronology, history, or politics to be completely correct about my sweeping and unfounded generalizations?"

musicismylife78 wrote:

So Gore didnt think music and objectionable content was bad in 1992? He changed his opinion and said "my wife was wrong back in 1985 and I was wrong in 1985"?

Lets be clear and not forget he was a sitting politician, whether we are talking 85 or 1992. He was in power.

Yeah and when I think of rational and level headed and honest debate, a sharing of ideas, one person saying an idea, and another sharing another, while being respectful, I definitely dont picture you dear friend Soulsinging.
The fact you defend a politician, any politician says alot about you soulsinging. In my code of ethics and moral, politicians are scum and liars. They lie cheat and steal. Not the group of folk I usually cast my lot with. But if you want to spend your days sucking up to these lowlives, go ahead, hope it works out for ya.

Politics is so stupid. PJ can support whoever they want, but look at what Tester has done. The guy is the same garbage as every other politician. He isnt remotely progressive. And is intolerant.

Clearly, you've never had a wife or serious gf. You don't pick fights you don't need to. Odds are Gore didn't give a flying fuck about the PA sticker going on albums. How is it different from movie ratings?

That said, since we're talking about intolerance, it's rather un-progressive of you to act like Tipper should not say anything without Gore's approval. Fact is, Tipper's her own person. She made that her cause and Al said "have fun dear, I'm going to worry about other problems and stay out of this one." It's not worth publicly battling your wife over something that trivial. If you'd ever had a serious relationship, you might understand the desire to avoid the doghouse.

What evidence do you have that Gore didnt support the work his wife was doing on behalf of censorship?

Are you gonna respond to the thing I posted about Mos Def several times, or should I post it a few more times, before you pick it up? Its pretty clear Al Gore, was and most likely still is out of touch. My little caveat there is evidence of that.

And why wouldnt Gore have talked about that? Why didnt he publicly speak out about it? If my wife was going around saying "i hate gay people" I dont think I would say "gee honey, you go do what you believe is right, I will stay out of the way". Of course we cant tell people what to do, but I dont think I would be married to a person what said things like that. I would divorce them immediately.

You make it sound like politicians are going around, selflessly, their only care is the safety and wellbeing of regular average joe's. What world do you inhabit Soulsinging? I dont live in Pollyanna world. Its not like politicians are going around saying "if only we could help end poverty and bring an end to war". No. Hell no! They are getting paid out by corporations, they are acting on behalf of the rich and powerful, and they are making decisions that most likely have no consequence on their lives. How many senators and congressman and congresswomen have sons and daughters that are serving in iraq? A few but not many.

i dont inhabit this fantasy world you seem to live in soulsinging where its rainbows and unicorns. I live in the real world. Try opening up the front door once in awhile soulsinging.

soulsinging wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Oh shut

Is that supposed to be "Oh shit, I just got owned" or is it more like "Oh shut up, facts are silly things and I don't need to have any sort of grasp on reality, facts, chronology, history, or politics to be completely correct about my sweeping and unfounded generalizations?"

musicismylife78 wrote:

So Gore didnt think music and objectionable content was bad in 1992? He changed his opinion and said "my wife was wrong back in 1985 and I was wrong in 1985"?

Lets be clear and not forget he was a sitting politician, whether we are talking 85 or 1992. He was in power.

Yeah and when I think of rational and level headed and honest debate, a sharing of ideas, one person saying an idea, and another sharing another, while being respectful, I definitely dont picture you dear friend Soulsinging.
The fact you defend a politician, any politician says alot about you soulsinging. In my code of ethics and moral, politicians are scum and liars. They lie cheat and steal. Not the group of folk I usually cast my lot with. But if you want to spend your days sucking up to these lowlives, go ahead, hope it works out for ya.

Politics is so stupid. PJ can support whoever they want, but look at what Tester has done. The guy is the same garbage as every other politician. He isnt remotely progressive. And is intolerant.

Clearly, you've never had a wife or serious gf. You don't pick fights you don't need to. Odds are Gore didn't give a flying fuck about the PA sticker going on albums. How is it different from movie ratings?

That said, since we're talking about intolerance, it's rather un-progressive of you to act like Tipper should not say anything without Gore's approval. Fact is, Tipper's her own person. She made that her cause and Al said "have fun dear, I'm going to worry about other problems and stay out of this one." It's not worth publicly battling your wife over something that trivial. If you'd ever had a serious relationship, you might understand the desire to avoid the doghouse.

as an elected official his job and duty is to serve the public. I dont hold my breath for gore or obama or anyone to do that, but as a vice president or senator that was his duty. And I personally think alot of people were and are still pissed about censorship.