so what i'm getting from most of you here against GA is that your too old (mid 30s) and would rather have a seat? What would Eddie think?! My 50 year old parents waited 4 hours outside in december in Buffalo for a U2 concert and got close enough to touch Bono's hand! C'mon guys for a concert its nice to get a little crazy
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Which Eddie? The one who stage dived, crowd surfed and monkey barred the rafters? Or the one that doesn't want you standing up at his theatre gigs?
Different strokes for different folks... why is it that people are trying to force others to see the other side or throwing wild generalisations around? As I stated earlier, I hate GA. It's got nothing to do with my age (I don't think), I have never particularly liked it. It's all just a matter of personal preference and personal experience. I have slept out overnight for a GA show (U2 in Sydney '93 and I was against the stage) and I'm sure many others have as well.
I have seen 3 PJ GA shows and the rest were reserved. They were all great. The best shows I have seen have all been in NA and were all reserved, except for Lolla. No, I haven't seen them in Europe, yet, but if I was to go to the UK, I would choose the reserved seating option... I just personally don't want to deal with being jostled, pushed, elbowed etc. I like that I can rock up, have my designated place to enjoy the show. So, can't we all just agree to disagree?
BTW, I don't have a good 10c number as I never had to worry about joining while living in Oz cause I always managed to get good tickets. I'm happy so long as I'm in the building. The band and the crowd makes the show, whether the crowd is GA or not.
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I get that some people like GA, I personally, don't. I like to have a good seat without fighting people to get to it. If everyone was cool about it and respected other people, fine, but that doesn't happen. To many people think they have the right to push and shove their way up front. Drives me nuts. Then there are the folks who just want to tackle each other. Whatever, people. If that's your idea of dancing, then you're not watching the show, anyway. Give them their own area in the back. Maybe Europe is different, but in America, too many douchebags. Also, I like being able to get at the show a half hour before showtime, not six hours before showtime.
There's nothing I love more than a live show, however, I am rythmically challenged. I'm the guy standing there bobbing my head. Doesn't mean I'm not as into the show as those around me, I just can't dance. Fact of life. It ain't changing. Don't judge me cause I'm not flailing about. I still love it.
Rock on and much respect...
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GA seems to have so much more energy!
it is definatly my preference. Any gig i go to, whoever it is, if there are GA tickets available, i will always take them
At the Concord Amphitheater for Iron Maiden last year, they actually removed the orchestra pit seating and made that GA, but then you had the full amphitheater seats right after that (and the lawn) -- that seemed to work out REALLY well. The seating was all GA, first come first serve just like the pit.
So yeah, most small theaters with seated balcony and GA floor would rock -- but those are typically just too small now (we can dream, Filmore, Warfield, Music Hall secret 10C show!)
But yeah, "worrying" about the crowd sucks, beer spilled on you, idiots pushing through, getting crushed.
But I think I hate even MORE, the flashlight usher checking tix, moving people around, booting people, etc -- sooo distracting. So anything that distracts me from the music and the band -- sucks. Yes, you ... you the audience trying to distract me. You suck! It should really just be ME and THE BAND.
I mean, that would be way cool ... seeing a soundcheck or something, but c'mon, it's so true that the audience vibe totally makes the show. Doesn't mean you can't pull off some wickedness like any MSG show!
And I'm totally chuckling ... dancing? Hmmm. I dance at Dead shows ... I rock out at PJ shows!
What is this dancing folks are referring to?
OH, and I just wanted to add -- I saw Deep Purple in Paris late 80s. Right as they came on stage I literally walked right up to the rail in front of Blackmore without physically touching a soul -- yeah, the obnoxious american, but I was just so stunned that everyone had so much personal space about them ... that I took advantage of. (but yeah, that was 20 years ago AND an older band/crowd already at that time. just sayin)
Whereas you're risking your life on the rail, yet alone GETTING to the rail at any US venue...
SF06 as the lights go down was just the collective "here we go" as if we're loading onto a Japanese train!
(And it was Stone that called us out:)
stone: hey can I just say something uh this is all great and we're having a great time but as far as people like pushing and stuff from behind it's really important that we just kinda everyone just chill out and just there's no need to push it just doesn't make any sense so please just try to be mellow enjoy yourselves have a good time enjoy the music
ed: yes so just to reiterate you know there's also a lot of uh it's kinda fifty fifty men and women up front which is always a good sign you know that's usually a good sign so if you're not taking care of your fellow man just try to take care of your fellow woman
cause what you don't want to make us do is play a bunch of slow songs in a row I don't think you want that so that's really important
this is a sad song but not a slow song it's called Sad
As I said before, the great thing about GA shows at an arena is, you aren't forced to take the GA tickets. You can take the seats on the side instead. But I know that wouldn't be good enough for some of the lower numbered members.
so what i'm getting from most of you here against GA is that your too old (mid 30s) and would rather have a seat? What would Eddie think?! My 50 year old parents waited 4 hours outside in december in Buffalo for a U2 concert and got close enough to touch Bono's hand! C'mon guys for a concert its nice to get a little crazy
The reason I like the seats as opposed to GA floor is my back would be killing me if I had to stand for 3 hours.
I like the idea of small and medium range venues being GA... as long as the Ten Club members are the only ones with access... and maybe even make a cut off... like <200*** in one section and >200*** in another... that way both get to be close but those who have the most seniorty would only be, say, 20 rows back at the most...
It's kind of fun to play around with these type of things but i bet it's hard as fuck to work with venues about that shit.
there are so many insurance issues, security costs, liabilities, etc. It sucks but it is a reality. Plus, a lot of us fans are getting older and we don't want to deal with GA. My first show was at Mercer Arena and I was 18--open floor, big pit. I loved it, but I got the shit knocked out of me. 3 years later, they had a show at key arena, I was down in the pit, and I started to realize it was a bit much. I like the seating designations, it allows you to enjoy the music, but still jump and party. The mosh blows.
so what i'm getting from most of you here against GA is that your too old (mid 30s) and would rather have a seat? What would Eddie think?! My 50 year old parents waited 4 hours outside in december in Buffalo for a U2 concert and got close enough to touch Bono's hand! C'mon guys for a concert its nice to get a little crazy
Waiting outside is one thing (waiting for U2 is just dumb). Being in a PJ pit before '95? It was ecstasy, but it was brutal. huge pits, massive heat coming up from the floor. I personally had to pull two people up from the ground. It could have gone bad.
so what i'm getting from most of you here against GA is that your too old (mid 30s) and would rather have a seat? What would Eddie think?! My 50 year old parents waited 4 hours outside in december in Buffalo for a U2 concert and got close enough to touch Bono's hand! C'mon guys for a concert its nice to get a little crazy
Waiting outside is one thing (waiting for U2 is just dumb). Being in a PJ pit before '95? It was ecstasy, but it was brutal. huge pits, massive heat coming up from the floor. I personally had to pull two people up from the ground. It could have gone bad.
Anyone who questions the musical taste of another cannot be taken seriously. I don't care if they said they waited outside for Pearl Jam, U2, Creed, The Jonas Brothers, The Partridge Family or chanting gregorian monks ... questioning someone else's musical taste is just plain ol' douchebaggery.
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so what i'm getting from most of you here against GA is that your too old (mid 30s) and would rather have a seat? What would Eddie think?! My 50 year old parents waited 4 hours outside in december in Buffalo for a U2 concert and got close enough to touch Bono's hand! C'mon guys for a concert its nice to get a little crazy
Waiting outside is one thing (waiting for U2 is just dumb). Being in a PJ pit before '95? It was ecstasy, but it was brutal. huge pits, massive heat coming up from the floor. I personally had to pull two people up from the ground. It could have gone bad.
Anyone who questions the musical taste of another cannot be taken seriously. I don't care if they said they waited outside for Pearl Jam, U2, Creed, The Jonas Brothers, The Partridge Family or chanting gregorian monks ... questioning someone else's musical taste is just plain ol' douchebaggery.
im too old to stand for four hours, and if I wanna take a piss, get a beer or some munchies, I want to go back to my spot
plus there are too many inconsiderate and disrespectful people that show up at the last minute and try push there way to the front
ga sucks and is dangerous with large crowds.
If the band read this and knew you were actually eating while they're playing they would cry and wonder what they're doing wrong....that's a funny visual, a guy standing in front of his seat eating a sausage, bobbing his head up and down while aging ed is jumping around onstage during Go....oh man
he also forget to mention he has a good 10c #. get rights post is exactly why there doing the lottery more and more.honestly it be nice if they put some more old timers in the back that way they can eat and do whatever else they wanted and it give people who actually wanna rock a chance to show the band the energy they have. ga shows these aren;t dangerousn anymore unless you schedule a band like rage or metallica. just look at the vids for bonnaroo 08 and lolla 07. if ga shows were really dangerous pj wouldnt have done the 07 europe festival tour or do festivals in the us the past 2 years.
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Provided the crowd have a brain, and I personally think the Pearl jam crowds do.
just because the band members have brains, doesnt necessarily mean their fanbase does... isnt that evident by 99% of the crap that is posted on this board?
I think you misread what i said......read it again
have your mosh pit at the back of the show.............no person is stopping you.
wait...........i get it, you want pj to see how into the show you are.
Nice....but wait....maybe there is some creedance in what you say, even taking out the humour first.
There is no doubt the band feed off the energy from the crowd, they have said as much, which can lead to a mental show, perhaps even a longer show, a more intense show,a tighter performance....
It can be likened to Football, often players are lifted by the crowd who are 'into the game' and there to raise their team, which in turn generates a better performance. Its only the same here, will the band be stoked by a crowd who are mad for them and buzzing to see them, or a lifeless crowd who are getting a little upitty because they have to stand because the guy in front isnt sitting down, or they cant quite hear their neighbour because the music is too loud, or because someone made them drop some popcorn.
Seems a lot of people here go to a concert these days to be comfortable and relax....And whilst there isnt anything wrong with that per say, its hardly the atmosphere a rock band would thrive off.
Yes a general comment entirely, and not a slight at all against those who have spoken out on safety concerns, because those are always valid points, whether they are up to date or not
As I said before, the great thing about GA shows at an arena is, you aren't forced to take the GA tickets. You can take the seats on the side instead. But I know that wouldn't be good enough for some of the lower numbered members.
are you saying that if someone's not up to the physical challenge (which you readily admit it is) to stay up front in a ga/pit atmosphere, well then fuck 'em they can stand off to the side or in the back?
have your mosh pit at the back of the show.............no person is stopping you.
wait...........i get it, you want pj to see how into the show you are.
Nice....but wait....maybe there is some creedance in what you say, even taking out the humour first.
There is no doubt the band feed off the energy from the crowd, they have said as much, which can lead to a mental show, perhaps even a longer show, a more intense show,a tighter performance....
It can be likened to Football, often players are lifted by the crowd who are 'into the game' and there to raise their team, which in turn generates a better performance. Its only the same here, will the band be stoked by a crowd who are mad for them and buzzing to see them, or a lifeless crowd who are getting a little upitty because they have to stand because the guy in front isnt sitting down, or they cant quite hear their neighbour because the music is too loud, or because someone made them drop some popcorn.
Seems a lot of people here go to a concert these days to be comfortable and relax....And whilst there isnt anything wrong with that per say, its hardly the atmosphere a rock band would thrive off.
Yes a general comment entirely, and not a slight at all against those who have spoken out on safety concerns, because those are always valid points, whether they are up to date or not
scenerio 1: front rows rocking/singing along, while the rest of the place is watching.
scenerio 2: front rows watching, while the rest of the place is rocking/singing along.
i guarantee the band is more inspired when they see scenerio 2 unfold.
so..........formulate a plan and implement the mosh pit into scenerio 2.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
have your mosh pit at the back of the show.............no person is stopping you.
wait...........i get it, you want pj to see how into the show you are.
Nice....but wait....maybe there is some creedance in what you say, even taking out the humour first.
There is no doubt the band feed off the energy from the crowd, they have said as much, which can lead to a mental show, perhaps even a longer show, a more intense show,a tighter performance....
It can be likened to Football, often players are lifted by the crowd who are 'into the game' and there to raise their team, which in turn generates a better performance. Its only the same here, will the band be stoked by a crowd who are mad for them and buzzing to see them, or a lifeless crowd who are getting a little upitty because they have to stand because the guy in front isnt sitting down, or they cant quite hear their neighbour because the music is too loud, or because someone made them drop some popcorn.
Seems a lot of people here go to a concert these days to be comfortable and relax....And whilst there isnt anything wrong with that per say, its hardly the atmosphere a rock band would thrive off.
Yes a general comment entirely, and not a slight at all against those who have spoken out on safety concerns, because those are always valid points, whether they are up to date or not
scenerio 1: front rows rocking/singing along, while the rest of the place is watching.
scenerio 2: front rows watching, while the rest of the place is rocking/singing along.
i guarantee the band is more inspired when they see scenerio 2 unfold.
so..........formulate a plan and implement the mosh pit into scenerio 2.
What exactly is the point to this? how about scenario 3?
The front row is rocking, as is the second row, as is the third row, and the whole venue....isnt that what happens at a rock show? Have you been to a Euro show?
Just because there is GA on the floor and a rocking front doesnt seem to lead to me to me that the rest of the venue will be sat watching?
i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.
as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.
i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".
my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.
so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.
hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"
or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.
as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.
i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".
my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.
so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.
hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"
or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?
i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.
You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.
I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.
I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.
I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them
i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.
as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.
i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".
my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.
so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.
hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"
or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?
i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.
You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.
I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.
I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.
I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them
no generalizations here...................my first show was ga in 93.
up front.........thought i wanted to crowd surf and experience the atmosphere.
well, i feel someone pulling on my leg, looked down and see a girl looking up at me, screaming for her life, looking me directly in the eye and asking for help. all i could say is "GET UP"....this is all i could do because i was holding the "moshers" off of her, from my direction.
i am sure she ended up ok.......because there was no news about a severe injury. regardless, the look on her face........was death. scares me to this day.
now......if you have some "code of conduct" or "more civilized" way.........good deal.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
i believe you understand.....and i have never been to a show outside of the united states.
as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.
i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".
my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.
so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.
hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"
or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?
i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.
You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.
I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.
I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.
I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them
no generalizations here...................my first show was ga in 93.
up front.........thought i wanted to crowd surf and experience the atmosphere.
well, i feel someone pulling on my leg, looked down and see a girl looking up at me, screaming for her life, looking me directly in the eye and asking for help. all i could say is "GET UP"....this is all i could do because i was holding the "moshers" off of her, from my direction.
i am sure she ended up ok.......because there was no news about a severe injury. regardless, the look on her face........was death. scares me to this day.
now......if you have some "code of conduct" or "more civilized" way.........good deal.
Thats a fair comment, but it was also 16 years ago, I mean Eddie was slightly nuts back then too.
Thats the kinda thing you still get at RATM shows, Rancid shows, or anythign remotely hardcore, it really doesnt occur now at a PJ show...
I think we got into this by the comment that it was to show the band 'how into it we are'....I think although you were meaning that with some sarcasm, I think its right that anyone who tries to get to the front and sing every word, is trying to do that, and to be fair I have no trouble with that, and I know for one that the band like to see that...Mike has said so himself in the past, and even recognises familiar faces etc...
if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.
but that would be a childish complaint, as well.....i can see/hear it now.
"stop going to all the shows and just standing there"
no no no, Mike even recognises people in the Euro tours in the GA, hes got a real keen eye for those who go every night.....he recognises them because they having a blast
I don't understand moshing in as far as trying to cause damage to people and not paying any attention to what's happening on stage!
I love GA, love being up front, love feeing off the energy of the band and the crowd and love rocking out - but that doesn't constitute me pushing people, kicking people, elbowing or hitting people!! People just need to have a bit of respect for those around you - especially small people! I almost passed out at Wembley and had to move back because someone had their elbow pressed into my neck. They weren't being particularly rowdy, but it was quite a crush and they were rather tall and couldn't get their arms back down so their elbow ended up pushing into my neck.
Bring on the rock, I'll be up front and on the barrier at as many PJ shows as I can and I love that there's a chance for anyone to get up front if they're willing to put the time in.
Wouldn't change it to seating at all - I just need to make sure I get there early enough to get room on the barrier - you have no problems at all that way - maybe one or two bruises, but nothing to complain about!
if it is about "recognizing faces up front"...............the complaint should be directed at people who go to all of the shows.
but that would be a childish complaint, as well.....i can see/hear it now.
"stop going to all the shows and just standing there"
no no no, Mike even recognises people in the Euro tours in the GA, hes got a real keen eye for those who go every night.....he recognises them because they having a blast
i understand, but it is equally worth realizing........................some people do not care to be recongnized.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
I was at one of the Borgata shows in AC, which had an open floor and a set of bleachers in the back. Having seen PJ in 1992, this was the first time I got to re-experience the energy of a GA venue and crowd.
Definitely among my best concert-going experiences.
Since my 10c # is 284xxx, and I don't get very close to the stage on 10c tix, I prefer GA but understand how others do not feel the same way due to comfort/security/aggression, etc.
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I was at one of the Borgata shows in AC, which had an open floor and a set of bleachers in the back. Having seen PJ in 1992, this was the first time I got to re-experience the energy of a GA venue and crowd.
Definitely among my best concert-going experiences.
Since my 10c # is 284xxx, and I don't get very close to the stage on 10c tix, I prefer GA but understand how others do not feel the same way due to comfort/security/aggression, etc.
Great post. Really sums it up.
Some like it some don't.
The band feeds off the crowd energy. Some shows bring a lot, be it GA or not, and some don't.
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Which Eddie? The one who stage dived, crowd surfed and monkey barred the rafters? Or the one that doesn't want you standing up at his theatre gigs?
I have seen 3 PJ GA shows and the rest were reserved. They were all great. The best shows I have seen have all been in NA and were all reserved, except for Lolla. No, I haven't seen them in Europe, yet, but if I was to go to the UK, I would choose the reserved seating option... I just personally don't want to deal with being jostled, pushed, elbowed etc. I like that I can rock up, have my designated place to enjoy the show. So, can't we all just agree to disagree?
BTW, I don't have a good 10c number as I never had to worry about joining while living in Oz cause I always managed to get good tickets. I'm happy so long as I'm in the building. The band and the crowd makes the show, whether the crowd is GA or not.
There's nothing I love more than a live show, however, I am rythmically challenged. I'm the guy standing there bobbing my head. Doesn't mean I'm not as into the show as those around me, I just can't dance. Fact of life. It ain't changing. Don't judge me cause I'm not flailing about. I still love it.
Rock on and much respect...
it is definatly my preference. Any gig i go to, whoever it is, if there are GA tickets available, i will always take them
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So yeah, most small theaters with seated balcony and GA floor would rock -- but those are typically just too small now (we can dream, Filmore, Warfield, Music Hall secret 10C show!)
But yeah, "worrying" about the crowd sucks, beer spilled on you, idiots pushing through, getting crushed.
But I think I hate even MORE, the flashlight usher checking tix, moving people around, booting people, etc -- sooo distracting. So anything that distracts me from the music and the band -- sucks. Yes, you ... you the audience trying to distract me. You suck! It should really just be ME and THE BAND.
I mean, that would be way cool ... seeing a soundcheck or something, but c'mon, it's so true that the audience vibe totally makes the show. Doesn't mean you can't pull off some wickedness like any MSG show!
And I'm totally chuckling ... dancing? Hmmm. I dance at Dead shows ... I rock out at PJ shows!
What is this dancing folks are referring to?
Whereas you're risking your life on the rail, yet alone GETTING to the rail at any US venue...
SF06 as the lights go down was just the collective "here we go" as if we're loading onto a Japanese train!
(And it was Stone that called us out:)
stone: hey can I just say something uh this is all great and we're having a great time but as far as people like pushing and stuff from behind it's really important that we just kinda everyone just chill out and just there's no need to push it just doesn't make any sense so please just try to be mellow enjoy yourselves have a good time enjoy the music
ed: yes so just to reiterate you know there's also a lot of uh it's kinda fifty fifty men and women up front which is always a good sign you know that's usually a good sign so if you're not taking care of your fellow man just try to take care of your fellow woman
cause what you don't want to make us do is play a bunch of slow songs in a row I don't think you want that so that's really important
this is a sad song but not a slow song it's called Sad
Thus Spoke Ed.... viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24739&p=366848#p366848
The reason I like the seats as opposed to GA floor is my back would be killing me if I had to stand for 3 hours.
It's kind of fun to play around with these type of things but i bet it's hard as fuck to work with venues about that shit.
Waiting outside is one thing (waiting for U2 is just dumb). Being in a PJ pit before '95? It was ecstasy, but it was brutal. huge pits, massive heat coming up from the floor. I personally had to pull two people up from the ground. It could have gone bad.
Anyone who questions the musical taste of another cannot be taken seriously. I don't care if they said they waited outside for Pearl Jam, U2, Creed, The Jonas Brothers, The Partridge Family or chanting gregorian monks ... questioning someone else's musical taste is just plain ol' douchebaggery.
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I think you misread what i said......read it again
Nice....but wait....maybe there is some creedance in what you say, even taking out the humour first.
There is no doubt the band feed off the energy from the crowd, they have said as much, which can lead to a mental show, perhaps even a longer show, a more intense show,a tighter performance....
It can be likened to Football, often players are lifted by the crowd who are 'into the game' and there to raise their team, which in turn generates a better performance. Its only the same here, will the band be stoked by a crowd who are mad for them and buzzing to see them, or a lifeless crowd who are getting a little upitty because they have to stand because the guy in front isnt sitting down, or they cant quite hear their neighbour because the music is too loud, or because someone made them drop some popcorn.
Seems a lot of people here go to a concert these days to be comfortable and relax....And whilst there isnt anything wrong with that per say, its hardly the atmosphere a rock band would thrive off.
Yes a general comment entirely, and not a slight at all against those who have spoken out on safety concerns, because those are always valid points, whether they are up to date or not
are you saying that if someone's not up to the physical challenge (which you readily admit it is) to stay up front in a ga/pit atmosphere, well then fuck 'em they can stand off to the side or in the back?
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scenerio 2: front rows watching, while the rest of the place is rocking/singing along.
i guarantee the band is more inspired when they see scenerio 2 unfold.
so..........formulate a plan and implement the mosh pit into scenerio 2.
What exactly is the point to this? how about scenario 3?
The front row is rocking, as is the second row, as is the third row, and the whole venue....isnt that what happens at a rock show? Have you been to a Euro show?
Just because there is GA on the floor and a rocking front doesnt seem to lead to me to me that the rest of the venue will be sat watching?
Have I misunderstood you?
as for scenerio 3, that you proposed.....that is likely the case, at the concert.
i find it amusing when others, for reasons unknown to me, decide that an individual who would like to enjoy themselves without worry of injury, is for some reason below the others or percieved as "not into it".
my seats have been in the back, middle, and front..........and each time the amount of people singing along, equal.
so...........be different, have a mosh pit in the back, middle, the front is cliche'.
hell have a mosh pit outside the show........that would be different, because after all it is "about the music"
or................ do "mosh pits" want it to be about "the music and look at me" i do not give a mouse dick about the possibility of injuring another person?
i understand what you say, so we agree that scenario 3 is the way forward? believe me GA gives that scenario and more.
You are generalising far too much in your statements, I think you are confirming you havent seen PJ on a GA basis so how can you comment on the crowd? Its not your standard ape shit punk rock crowd one bit, its quite a considered audience from my experience. You havent seen the band outside the USA but have you seen IIC? now tell me you dont want to be a part of that experience at those shows, to be a part of that energy as compared to the footage of that US 2000 tour....Really it doesnt compare.
I've done seated and GA for many a rock band, and although I often get a little out of the way of more itolerable idiots at the insane shows and stand a little back, GA produces for me a much better atmosphere.
I do fully understand what you say about injury - but I think this is so so unikely at a PJ show these days.
I was at rancid two years ago though, and that wasnt true there, that show was mental, and full of nutjobs intent on ruffing everyone up in a 2 metre radius of them
up front.........thought i wanted to crowd surf and experience the atmosphere.
well, i feel someone pulling on my leg, looked down and see a girl looking up at me, screaming for her life, looking me directly in the eye and asking for help. all i could say is "GET UP"....this is all i could do because i was holding the "moshers" off of her, from my direction.
i am sure she ended up ok.......because there was no news about a severe injury. regardless, the look on her face........was death. scares me to this day.
now......if you have some "code of conduct" or "more civilized" way.........good deal.
Thats a fair comment, but it was also 16 years ago, I mean Eddie was slightly nuts back then too.
Thats the kinda thing you still get at RATM shows, Rancid shows, or anythign remotely hardcore, it really doesnt occur now at a PJ show...
I think we got into this by the comment that it was to show the band 'how into it we are'....I think although you were meaning that with some sarcasm, I think its right that anyone who tries to get to the front and sing every word, is trying to do that, and to be fair I have no trouble with that, and I know for one that the band like to see that...Mike has said so himself in the past, and even recognises familiar faces etc...
but that would be a childish complaint, as well.....i can see/hear it now.
"stop going to all the shows and just standing there"
no no no, Mike even recognises people in the Euro tours in the GA, hes got a real keen eye for those who go every night.....he recognises them because they having a blast
I love GA, love being up front, love feeing off the energy of the band and the crowd and love rocking out - but that doesn't constitute me pushing people, kicking people, elbowing or hitting people!! People just need to have a bit of respect for those around you - especially small people! I almost passed out at Wembley and had to move back because someone had their elbow pressed into my neck. They weren't being particularly rowdy, but it was quite a crush and they were rather tall and couldn't get their arms back down so their elbow ended up pushing into my neck.
Bring on the rock, I'll be up front and on the barrier at as many PJ shows as I can and I love that there's a chance for anyone to get up front if they're willing to put the time in.
Wouldn't change it to seating at all - I just need to make sure I get there early enough to get room on the barrier - you have no problems at all that way - maybe one or two bruises, but nothing to complain about!
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Definitely among my best concert-going experiences.
Since my 10c # is 284xxx, and I don't get very close to the stage on 10c tix, I prefer GA but understand how others do not feel the same way due to comfort/security/aggression, etc.
Great post. Really sums it up.
Some like it some don't.
The band feeds off the crowd energy. Some shows bring a lot, be it GA or not, and some don't.