Breaking NEWS! Swine Flu!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tamiflu.asp
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/22/missin ... index.html

Whether you wear a tinfoil hat or not, sometimes even the sceptics must seek protective/smokable headgear.

soulsinging wrote:

I'm not sure that's true. I've heard some people theorize that we're overdoing it with hygeine... the people that carry around those little hand sanitizer bottles and use them ALL the time... they have no immunity and help breed super viruses that can overcome basic hygeine.

That's true to a degree, and I understand what you're saying. But you'd be amazed at just how unsanitary people are. Just think about it... imagine the germ/virus breeding ground on a filthy person in oppose to someone who's kind of anal about germs. Which person would a virus have more of a field day to develop between two such extremes?

:?: :ugeek:

VIDEO: Russia Today Reports Bird Flu A Product Of Gene Splicing?

Please don't give me the "a Russian source?" rhetoric either.
If you want to question the validity of Wayne Madsen, fine by me, he's been wrong before.
I'm just showing you some sources, as it were. These days, what IS a reliable source, anyhow?

Question EVERYthing!

Reuters: Swine Flu for comparative purposes, here is Reuters reporting that humans have been known to catch the swine flu from pigs but NOT from eachother. And above is Wayne Madsen saying EXACTLY the OPPOSITE.

Who is telling the truth here?
New York Health Comissioner CONFIRMS HUMAN-SWINE FLU TRAVELING HUMAN TO HUMAN (2:00 mark)
"so it's spreading now person to person"

You tell me who is telling the truth.
+1 Wayne Madsen & Russia Today , and CNN and the New York Health Comissioner. hehe
-1 Reuters.
WTF?

For REFERENCE purposes,
here is a google search for you to see a SIMILAR story :
Billion Dollar Pharmaceutical Firm Baxter International mixes LIVE h5n1 Bird Flu with its h3n2 vaccine and sends it to 18 countries "by accident"
here is a conspiracy conversation about it including discussion of ties between Baxter and CIA\Intelligence.

Oh whatever.
I'm done with the flu conspiracy for now.
I'm just saying it sure is interesting.
Oh and OF COURSE BAXTER IS PRODUCING A SWINE FLU VACCINE.
OF COURSE. I mean, so what if they infected people with their Bird Flu vaccine.
Honest mistake, really.


Oh ONE MORE THING.
You should ALSO know that the 1918 Spanish Influenza was ... GUESS WHAT? ... SWINE FLU.
AND GUESS WHAT ELSE?
THE HEAD OF THE GESTAPO SAID IN A POST-WAR CIA INTERROGATION THAT HE WAS TOLD IT WAS A U.S BIOWEAPON THAT "GOT OUT OF CONTROL
It also has VERY interesting links to HIV ... NOT directly ... but the alleged (by the head of gestapo) mechanism, "the DOUBLE BLOW VIRUS", is just like hiv -- HIV is a "Double Blow" virus, it knocks out your immune system, and you die of the SECONDARY infection.

If you are wondering who the head of the Gestapo's source was, he claimed it was THE HEAD OF THE GERMAN ARMY MEDICAL CORP, and that he himself learned of this through is US "counterparts" in 1927.

Just ONE MORE "interesting" "fact" to throw out there for ya.

SURE MAKES YOU THINK.

Deadly influenza virus shipments missing: WHO

Updated Sat. Apr. 16 2005 4:25 PM ET

Health experts have destroyed most samples of a deadly influenza strain mistakenly sent to labs around the world; but two shipments meant to reach Mexico and Lebanon are missing, UN officials said Friday.

"We don't know where these boxes got lost, but the investigation into what has happened between the shipment of these panels and their non-arrival is ranking very high on our 'to do' list," WHO influenza chief Klaus Stohr said, referring to the Mexico and Lebanon shipments.

The samples were unintentionally sent to nearly 4,000 labs in 18 countries at the request of the College of American Pathologists, which assists laboratories to do quality testing.

Two-thirds of them have been destroyed so far, The World Health Organization confirmed Friday, but two shipments meant to reach Mexico and Lebanon are unaccounted for.

Stohr said Friday that 10 countries that had received samples confirmed their labs destroyed the virus. Those countries include: Canada, Chile, France, Hong Kong, Belgium, Germany Italy, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore.

However, laboratories in Lebanon and Mexico "never received the specimen even though they were on the distribution list," Stohr said.

He said it was possible the samples had never been sent to the two countries, but that he couldn't be sure.

The five other nations that had received the samples were Saudi Arabia, Bermuda, Brazil, Israel and Japan.

Stohr said four of the five labs in Saudi Arabia that received the samples had destroyed them. The other four countries had not yet confirmed that they followed up on instructions to destroy the samples.

The UN health agency officials urged laboratories to destroy the kits after first being alerted of their existence by Canadians who found the vials in their British Columbia laboratory.

They reported their findings to the Public Health Agency of Canada and the World Health Organization was subsequently warned on April 8.

The Canadian laboratory received the samples in February, but officials were not sure when they should have been sent to Mexico and Lebanon.

"We are worried, but CAP said there is a possibility they were never sent. (Otherwise), I cannot say at this stage what we would possibly do," Stohr said.

"The carrier, the transporter and packager would have to be questioned particularly about these packages.

The samples contain the deadly H2N2 virus, otherwise known as the "Asian flu".

H2N2 caused the 1957 pandemic that killed an estimated one million to four million people around the world. It was last seen in humans in 1968.

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Missing Killer Flu Virus Sample Count Not Clear: CDC

THURSDAY, April 21, 2005 -- As many as a couple of dozen test kits containing a deadly flu virus still have not been rounded up and destroyed in the United States, government health officials said Thursday.

Almost two weeks after the first alert to the global problem was sounded, the director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was a bit unclear at a Thursday press conference on how many samples of the virus known as H2N2 were actually still missing.

"Based on our calculus of the number of labs we think had the samples, a couple of dozen maybe," said Dr. Julie Gerberding. "But there's always some uncertainty of record-keeping, so we can't give a certain number until we have done the investigation" of the entire incident.

The virus, which killed more than 1 million people in 1957, was obtained from Meridian Bioscience Inc. of Cincinnati, which makes influenza test kits for medical facilities. The College of American Pathologists (CAP), one of the organizations that included the Meridian sample in proficiency-testing kits that were shipped to more than 4,000 laboratories in 18 countries over a six-month period, has said that 99.6 percent of all the samples have been located and destroyed. Those include all but one country outside the United States. And that country, Lebanon, is holding its sample for shipment, according to news reports Thursday.

Within the United States, however, public health investigators are now contacting labs not on the initial distribution list to make sure that they did not have any samples, Gerderding said.

As for the stragglers, Gerberding said that one lab had changed its telephone number and another had closed without leaving a clear indication of who is in charge.

"There are some exceptional situations still in play," she added. "We probably are going to be reluctant to say quickly it's 100 percent, because as we continue, we may discover a lab here or there that still has the virus."

A spokesman for CAP said on Thursday that the organization did not know what lists Gerberding might have been referring to.

"We know where all of the things we sent are and we've got fewer than a dozen that we are yet to receive written confirmation on, but we will probably have those quite soon," the spokesman said. "We wouldn't send kits out to anyone not on the list. They pay for it. We're a not-for-profit, but we still have to cover our expenses."

CAP has 3,747 labs that participate in the proficiency testing program. Other organizations sent specimens of H2N2 obtained from Meridien to their own lists of labs.

As she had done a week ago, Gerberding emphasized Thursday that no human cases of H2N2 had been detected anywhere in the world and that the danger to lab workers and the public was minimal.

The problem first surfaced, according to the World Health Organization, when a Canadian testing lab detected the deadly virus. Canadian health officials notified WHO authorities, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC on April 8.

Officials were still not able to say why the virus was sent out in the first place. "We can't answer that today, but we will have an answer as the investigation proceeds," Gerberding said.

The recovered kits are being destroyed "using methods that we would normally use to eradicate any threat to human beings," Gerberding said. In addition to autoclaving, "they are incinerated and handled as medical waste," she said.

As part of a longer term effort, the CDC is investigating exactly how strains of a half-century-old killer virus was let loose and what can be done to avoid such an incident in the future. One initiative will have the H2N2 virus likely upgraded to a Biosafety Level 3 pathogen. The CDC is also issuing guidance for new recommendations around proficiency testing.

At the same news conference, Gerberding announced that Congress had formally approved a reorganization of the CDC, including the creation of four new coordinating centers and two national offices.

"As an agency, we've taken a hard look at the challenges and opportunities facing us and recognized that we needed to adjust, we needed to be a 21st century health agency," Gerberding said. "We intend to have a measurable impact on health and intend for everyone to see what that impact is and whether or not we are making progress in achieving it."

SOURCES: April 21, 2005, news conference with Julie Gerberding, M.D., director, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; spokesperson, College of American Pathologists

i am so sacrd about the swine flu i will go to seattle anyway is it safe??

it's not the swine flu...it's H1N1 influenza A


doesn't that just roll off the tongue..... :roll:

Gotta love how Tamiflu is still the most recommended med, and everyone's scramblin for it again...wonder if Rummy still has his stake in Gilead... George Shultz, PhD, CFR, Bldrbrg, (and Barry's nuclear ambassador?) is still on the board...

Commy wrote:

what's the real story behind this?



the swine flu isn't new.

Its been around for years


http://www.nih.go.jp/yoken/iasr/18/214/graph/f2142.gif


but NOW its "breaking news" and suddenly the gov't is freaking out about along with everyone else?

I don't think so. something isn't right about any of this.

its not just the flu virus thats been around, its specifically H1N1, been around for ages.

I posted the same response in the separate thread that you created for this post, but here it is again.

According to the 'flu facts,' this is a different strain of the virus that's never been found anywhere in the world. The reason why it's an outbreak now is because people have no immunity to it and currently there's no vaccine.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090 ... hy/3222848

Q. What makes this swine flu virus special?

A. It's a novel combination of bird, pig and human viral genes never before found in the U.S. or elsewhere, so people have no immunity to it. It's a descendant of the H1N1 virus that killed tens of millions of people worldwide in the pandemic of 1918-1919, mixed in with recent strains of swine and bird flu viruses. The 1918 virus originated in birds and then jumped to humans. This year's virus apparently jumped from a pig to a 5-year-old boy in Veracruz, Mexico, who passed it on to other humans.

Q. How does this H1N1 virus differ from the H1N1 that caused the Spanish flu pandemic in 1918-1919?

A. That virus developed various changes over the years, so it's similar but not identical to its ancestor — like a grandson who resembles but also differs from his grandfather. So far, H1N1 is not as virulent as the previous strain, but that could change. The earlier pandemic began mildly in 1918, but returned in a devastating second wave six months later. Experts fear that could happen again. Hence they are rushing to develop a vaccine by this fall.