will they let krusen back if matt rejoins soundgarden?

I BrisK I wrote:

Yeah anyone just has to watch Jesus Christ Pose to see what Matt can be about.

I didn't realise dave used a double bass pedal? thought he was just really good and had abillity to do nice double and triple kicks.

I would be up for comprimising Cameron for any drummer to see SG reform, would probably go to USA to catch them if it was just a little one off thing, but then again if it was, Cameron could play for that time.

Yeah, Dave had a double pedal and used it often.
Matt actually had one on the last tour, but only used it for a song or two (that I could see).

If SG gets back together I could be you anything Matt is still PJ's drummer. He seems like one happy f'n dude right now.

Wilds wrote:

Probably would ask Jack first?

He played with them in 03 in Santa Barbara, and played with Eddie at the Hullabaloo concert with Flea.

But I don't think he would do it, for the same reasons he left.

I'd love to see them bring Dave K. up to play a couple songs in LA! That would be sick.

jack would say no for the same reason he left the band in 98. if soundgarden were to reunite it probably be during an off year of pj. i think sg should just tour for a year and give us younger fans a chance to see them. but if soundgarden were to reform i'd like to see matt chamberlain be the drummer for pearl jam.

if matt were to leave for a while I would take Krusen over abruzesse in a heartbeat. Krusen's drumming on ten is fantastic, I always thought his drumming highlighted the funk/hip-hop influences in stone's rhythms. Ive honestly never really understood why abruzzesse is so well loved, I feel like he was barely even there on a lot of songs and for me borderline ruins a couple.

Matt is the best PJ drummer. Period. He played on Geddy Lee's solo album for fuck sake... and you all know what drummer Geddy Lee normally plays with.

A Soundgarden reunion would be cool but Chris Cornell needs to come down a few pegs before that's going to happen... I wouldn't mind lending them Matt but as long as that meant we still get him and if were 'side-project' status only.

Dave did not play double bass at least not regularly. He was just extremely good with one foot.

Abbruzzese refused to use two bass drums or a double-kick pedal, instead concentrating on playing the best he could with a single pedal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Abbruzzese

I`m a drummer myself and anyone that says Matt or Jack where more technically skilled either have not a clue or only listen to punk and standard rock grooves. Being technically skilled does not equal to hit as many toms as you can. Just listen to the small fills dave did in the ten or vs songs - just tight right to the point where Matt and Jack usually played too much standard boring tom fills which might look impressive if you want to pose on video but are just lacking any inspiration. When it comes to technical skills my order is Dave A., Dave K., Matt C and then Jack Irons.
That in no way means that i do not respect Matt or Jack. I love them both.
One other thing. I`m only speaking about performances with PJ - no doubt Matt did some great stuff on superunknown!

Benz wrote:

Dave did not play double bass at least not regularly. He was just extremely good with one foot.

Abbruzzese refused to use two bass drums or a double-kick pedal, instead concentrating on playing the best he could with a single pedal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Abbruzzese

I`m a drummer myself and anyone that says Matt or Jack where more technically skilled either have not a clue or only listen to punk and standard rock grooves. Being technically skilled does not equal to hit as many toms as you can. Just listen to the small fills dave did in the ten or vs songs - just tight right to the point where Matt and Jack usually played too much standard boring tom fills which might look impressive if you want to pose on video but are just lacking any inspiration. When it comes to technical skills my order is Dave A., Dave K., Matt C and then Jack Irons.
That in no way means that i do not respect Matt or Jack. I love them both.
One other thing. I`m only speaking about performances with PJ - no doubt Matt did some great stuff on superunknown!

Thank you for finding the quote. mca47 doesn't know wtf he's talking about. I wanted to correct this yesterday, but only had my cellphone and couldn't log in.

mca47 wrote:

Do you play drums or any other instruments?

I know a lot of people like styles of other PJ drummers, but the fact is Matt is the most technical drummer that has played with them. Dave was flashy with his double pedal and his overuse of cymbals, but he was also quite sloppy. Jack was good, but also didn't stand up well in the live setting (many boots I have from this time make me cringe).

I know you asked this of the other poster, but I hope you don't mind me answering you.

Yes, I play drums. I got my first drum kit a quarter-century ago. I hope that qualify's me.


Matt is not the most technical drummer. This is just a silly statement. Again, I'm a drummer... for a long time too. Dave A was by far the most technical drummer. BY FAR. There's no comparison. Look at the technical parts of even a song like Daughter - listen to the SNL version, or another clear version. His hi-hat rudiments are insane. Matt simply cannot even do those.

For those thinking Dave can't do subtle, answer me this. "Not For You" Which one has fewer drum beats? Dave's or Matt's? Answer, Dave's has fewer drum beats. The pure and simple drive in the beginning with a tight hi-hat and simple single-bass, single-snare, single-bass, single-snare showed that Dave DOES do subtle. Matt has a looser sounding hi-hat, and he adds a "swing" to it with extra bass-drum hits. Ruins the song. It reminds me of his drumming approach on Light Years, except he's using it on NFY. C'mon Matt, learn to tighten up the hi-hat, and loosen it slowly to build anticipation.... Dave also had dynamics on this hi-hat. Songs got tighter and looser.... Matt is a one-size-fits-all player on these songs.

...so Dave, hands down, is the most technical drummer. Oh, and yes, to counter your other incorrect statement, no Dave DID NOT use a double bass pedal. Anyone who remembers reading Modern Drummer in 1993 knows this. (I'm assuming you've not read it) If not, here it is for you, so you can know what you're talking about a little better:

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Modern Drummer: How dedicated were you to developing your drumming style? I know you never really took lessons, so where did your technique and flowing style come from, particularly your quick doubles with your hands and kick foot?


Dave Abbruzzese: It was Zeppelin and copping Bonham in the different bands I was playing in. I was always playing with guys who were ten years older then me, and I felt like I had to prove something to them. So it was just a matter of digging the shit out of something and pulling it off. If I heard something that blew me away, I'd put the headphones on and listen to it over and over and try to pick it up, and I wouldn't be satisfied until I learned every bit of it. And basically, over the course of time, I pretty much learned the entire Zeppelin catalog. Because at that time, at fifteen, if I could play drums like John Bonham, there'd be no stopping me. And if somebody today ever told me my bass drum style reminded them anything at all of Bonham, because he had suck a melodic approach to the kick drum, I think I'd be blown over! I think that's part of the reason I never settled for putting another bass drum up, but instead demanding that my right foot do the things it needed to do to keep up. A lot of drummers I really enjoy copying when I was younger played double bass, but I had a single bass and I just demanded myself to be able to do what they did on one kick. To me, that was all I had, so I had to work with my tomes or snare to compensate for not having that other kick. I think that accounts for a lot of the spastic style I used to have. The more I got into original music with the various bands I played in, the more I tamed and began to understand that I wanted to be more of a melodic drummer rather then a power drummer. I wanted to play powerful music, but the melody of the music has power itself. That's where a lot of the left-handed stuff on the hi-hat and cymbals come out of me. I consider myself more of a kick/snare/hi-hat/cymbal drummer than a big-fill guy. I like to find the groove, establish it, and enhance it and pull it back when it needs that. When there are four open bars, I don't want to do a big power roll there. I want to use those four bars to set up the next four bars and put everything together.

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I think Dave put it very well... and to elaborate on the comment that Dave isn't a huge "fill" guy. Matt IS a big "fill" guy. Unfortunatly with Matt's approach to earlier songs, it's boring, boring, boring, fill, boring, boring, fill, boring. Also, on LO2L, Matt gets lost at the end of songs and ends early, like a whole bar early or something. Matt did that on like on two songs.... Did that happen with Dave? I don't think so.

However, on Matt-written songs, Matt does great. I'm a HUGE Matt fan... just not so much on early PJ stuff.

....and if I had to choose 1 drummer to play with PJ on their WHOLE catalog, I would choose Matt Chamberlain. That guy is probably the most WELL ROUNDED drummer.