MTV Unplugged-Daves drumming

elderman
elderman Posts: 180
edited March 2009 in The Porch
Anyone else get the feeling that someone forgot to tell Dave that it was unplugged. I wish I could hear Mike and Stones guitars more.
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  • pjpitt89
    pjpitt89 Posts: 1,882
    HAHA i was thinking the EXACT same thing today. As much as I love it, it's just vocals and drums. My one buddy was like whats wrong with his drumming? And I said nothing if its a live show, this is unplugged. Most play with brushes or a muted set or at least they don't play with EVERY crash cymbal known to man. However, he is an AMAZING drummer
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  • HeavyHands
    HeavyHands Posts: 2,131
    elderman wrote:
    Anyone else get the feeling that someone forgot to tell Dave that it was unplugged. I wish I could hear Mike and Stones guitars more.

    In his defense he didn't have the benefit of seeing how gracefully a hard hitting drummer could transition to being quietly effective ala Dave Grohl in Nirvana's Unplugged show. Using brushes, settling down on the symbols, etc...

    Could he have hit a little softer/quieter? Sure. But his little fills still rule.
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  • Greg354xxx
    Greg354xxx Toowoomba, QLD, Australia Posts: 77
    I just watched this this morning, and was surprised that Dave had a fulll kit, and that he wasnt at least using paintbrushes, or something of the like. But, Mike and Stone are just playing acoustic guitars, probably the loudest unplugged show, but I've only also seen Nirvana's and AiC's.
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  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    his playing always distracted everything else going on for me. the first time I ever really watched unplugged was when I got the SDE. His playing is such overkill.
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  • sweet adeline
    sweet adeline Posts: 2,191
    well its not like anyone else in the band is taking it easy.
  • restlesssoul
    restlesssoul Posts: 6,952
    sweet adeline wrote:
    well its not like anyone else in the band is taking it easy.


    agreed
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  • arthurdent
    arthurdent Posts: 969
    Dave never did learn to do "subtle." And I think the cymbal was Dave's cowbell.
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    elderman wrote:
    Anyone else get the feeling that someone forgot to tell Dave that it was unplugged

    Are you suggesting Dave's instruments were "plugged"?
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    I like the sound.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akX4-eE_oRs

    ...but then again, I like early live pearl jam. Some people don't like early live pearl jam.
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  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    arthurdent wrote:
    Dave never did learn to do "subtle"

    I've gotta say, I'm an avid Dave fan, but I can agree to this. However Matt never learned intricate, so it was a major trade-off imo on just about everything in their early catalog played live.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,710
    Had to look up intricate, a new english word I learnt :)

    I think daves drumming fits with the rest of them playing. I prefer the unplugged feel of benaroya but Daves playing works with how they did it on MTV. No complaints from me :) I think the drumming is one part you remember from this show, at least when I think about it in my head.
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  • prytocorduroy
    prytocorduroy Posts: 4,355
    I don't have a problem with it.
  • Benz
    Benz Posts: 123
    You are all joking right? His drumming is incredible! I think even if it`s unplugged they could have turned it down in the mix maybe but there is nothing to blame Dave A. for! He actually plays quite relaxed compared to his normal live drumming. This think grooves and that`s the biggest difference to Benaroya. Benaroya has no groove at all. I think comparing Benaroya to MTV unplugged pretty much sums up how PJ have changed. They have lost the groove. I still love PJ even their latest albums. There isn`t really anything from them that I don`t like but the groove has left 94 - that`s a fact. That said I don`t argue that some like it more without the funk.
    I think in fact the band himself wanted the sound to be more "trashy" - well they`ve succeeded in that :D
  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,351
    Benz wrote:
    You are all joking right? His drumming is incredible! I think even if it`s unplugged they could have turned it down in the mix maybe but there is nothing to blame Dave A. for! He actually plays quite relaxed compared to his normal live drumming. This think grooves and that`s the biggest difference to Benaroya. Benaroya has no groove at all. I think comparing Benaroya to MTV unplugged pretty much sums up how PJ have changed. They have lost the groove. I still love PJ even their latest albums. There isn`t really anything from them that I don`t like but the groove has left 94 - that`s a fact. That said I don`t argue that some like it more without the funk.
    I think in fact the band himself wanted the sound to be more "trashy" - well they`ve succeeded in that :D

    It's called being more mature musicians.
    They don't play their early songs the way they used to not because any member can't, but because the songs probably don't have the same meaning they used to and they aren't a bunch of crazy 20-somethings anymore.

    Comparing Unplugged to Benaroya is kinda dumb. Different times, different energy.
  • Benz
    Benz Posts: 123
    mca47 wrote:
    Benz wrote:
    You are all joking right? His drumming is incredible! I think even if it`s unplugged they could have turned it down in the mix maybe but there is nothing to blame Dave A. for! He actually plays quite relaxed compared to his normal live drumming. This think grooves and that`s the biggest difference to Benaroya. Benaroya has no groove at all. I think comparing Benaroya to MTV unplugged pretty much sums up how PJ have changed. They have lost the groove. I still love PJ even their latest albums. There isn`t really anything from them that I don`t like but the groove has left 94 - that`s a fact. That said I don`t argue that some like it more without the funk.
    I think in fact the band himself wanted the sound to be more "trashy" - well they`ve succeeded in that :D

    It's called being more mature musicians.
    They don't play their early songs the way they used to not because any member can't, but because the songs probably don't have the same meaning they used to and they aren't a bunch of crazy 20-somethings anymore.

    Comparing Unplugged to Benaroya is kinda dumb. Different times, different energy.

    That`s a good argument indeed. Sure they also lost some energy because they are old men now but still does that mean you are only allowed to play standard rock grooves? I mean Mike also still plays great solos and has not reduced them to 1 note solos or?
  • Soulfire42
    Soulfire42 Posts: 404
    I think the drumming was a spectacular performance and that all too often we forget that it isn't just "about the music" but is also about the performarnce of the music. What is clearly conveyed by the members of the band during this performance of their music is that it mattered and it had power. The drumming and performances like that of Unplugged are one thing I sorely miss. I loved the intensity and the genuine enjoyment on display for us to enjoy. I don't get the same impression at all from Matt these days. I do from Mike. Stone seems almost dead during many performances now and that's a damn shame.

    I honestly think that Dave's drumming added a very special element and attitude to their music and I think he deserves more credit than is often afforded to him. While it may be fair to comment about maturity and things like that as a defense for their modern performances.... it's just as fair to say that Dave's drumming and attitude brought something equally formidable to the table.
  • Benz
    Benz Posts: 123
    Soulfire42 wrote:
    I think the drumming was a spectacular performance and that all too often we forget that it isn't just "about the music" but is also about the performarnce of the music. What is clearly conveyed by the members of the band during this performance of their music is that it mattered and it had power. The drumming and performances like that of Unplugged are one thing I sorely miss. I loved the intensity and the genuine enjoyment on display for us to enjoy. I don't get the same impression at all from Matt these days. I do from Mike. Stone seems almost dead during many performances now and that's a damn shame.

    I honestly think that Dave's drumming added a very special element and attitude to their music and I think he deserves more credit than is often afforded to him. While it may be fair to comment about maturity and things like that as a defense for their modern performances.... it's just as fair to say that Dave's drumming and attitude brought something equally formidable to the table.
    Ahhh thanks! As a none native speaker I sometimes have problems finding the right words and tend to sound rude or too critical :oops: This sums it up perfectly for me :)
  • dreamweaver
    dreamweaver New York Posts: 749
    take it for what it is, and it's beautiful...

    exatcly what pearl jam has always fought is the pressure of people's expectations.

    somebody made a reference on this very thread about using brushes as opposed to sticks. They called them "paint brushes"??

    now it's funny because I am a professional painter (passed down from my grandfather's business) as well as a drummer (15 years of study and playing)... a PAINT brush is not even close to percussive wire brushes!!

    my point is, know something before you form your opinion... and dont knock it til' you've tried it.
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  • gndcd402
    gndcd402 Posts: 2,577
    god, i love dave :P
  • elderman
    elderman Posts: 180
    Give me Benny over MTV Unplugged anytime. (then again I'm a bit over 50 years old).

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