how did i know that crybaby hines ward would have something to say
because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-09-12-1294083353_x.htm
Steelers' Ward suspected Patriots spying
By Alan Robinson, AP Sports Writer
PITTSBURGH — Wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on the Pittsburgh Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.
Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.
"Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
NFL security officers confiscated a video camera and tape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was working on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 victory on Sunday. The league has confirmed that it is investigating whether the Patriots were taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
On Tuesday, Steelers first-year coach Mike Tomlin, who wasn't around for those AFC championship games, said "when there's smoke, there's fire" of widespread suspicion some NFL teams use spying tactics.
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The Patriots also beat the Steelers 41-27 in the January 2005 AFC championship game, though that victory was so convincing it would be difficult to pin it on cheating.
Still, Ward said he is disappointed there are allegations that any NFL team may have resorted to spying to gain an edge.
"You would hope that, during their run, when they were winning all their (three) Super Bowls, all that stuff wasn't going on," Ward said. "You look back in the past, and we played them in the championship games, and you kind of wonder. It seemed like they were a step ahead of us at all times, but those games are behind us. There's nothing we can do about it. You just look forward and see what the commissioner (Roger Goodell) will do."
Ward said any team caught spying should give up high draft picks.
"It's really hard to say (they should) forfeit games," Ward said. "Draft picks would hurt a lot of teams; take away their first or second-round pick - that would be a stiff penalty to make sure nobody does it again."
Steelers cornerback Deshea Townsend also felt suspicious, if only for one play he didn't identify, during one of the AFC title games.
That led quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to joke, "If they cheated during our AFC championship game (in 2005), so we should get a Super Bowl ring."
Roethlisberger has given little thought to the possibility the Patriots may have had an unfair advantage against Pittsburgh.
"No, it's actually the farthest thing from my mind. I don't think it's been in the front of too many people's mind," he said.
Pro Bowl nose tackle Casey Hampton also downplayed the cheating talk, saying scouting is so through in the NFL that it's difficult to fool any team.
"In this league, everybody knows what everybody's going to run. It's just a matter of stopping it," he said. "The bottom line is you watch enough film and you know where guys are and where they're coming from."
Dick Hoak, the NFL's most tenured assistant coach before retiring this year after 35 seasons, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the Steelers once received a suspicious video tape by mistake from an opposing team during a routine tape exchange.
The tape focused on a coach making hand signals from the sideline, Hoak said, but the Steelers did not report the tape to the NFL.
how did i know that crybaby hines ward would have something to say
because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-09-12-1294083353_x.htm
Steelers' Ward suspected Patriots spying
By Alan Robinson, AP Sports Writer
PITTSBURGH — Wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on the Pittsburgh Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.
Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.
"Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
NFL security officers confiscated a video camera and tape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was working on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 victory on Sunday. The league has confirmed that it is investigating whether the Patriots were taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
On Tuesday, Steelers first-year coach Mike Tomlin, who wasn't around for those AFC championship games, said "when there's smoke, there's fire" of widespread suspicion some NFL teams use spying tactics.
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The Patriots also beat the Steelers 41-27 in the January 2005 AFC championship game, though that victory was so convincing it would be difficult to pin it on cheating.
Still, Ward said he is disappointed there are allegations that any NFL team may have resorted to spying to gain an edge.
"You would hope that, during their run, when they were winning all their (three) Super Bowls, all that stuff wasn't going on," Ward said. "You look back in the past, and we played them in the championship games, and you kind of wonder. It seemed like they were a step ahead of us at all times, but those games are behind us. There's nothing we can do about it. You just look forward and see what the commissioner (Roger Goodell) will do."
Ward said any team caught spying should give up high draft picks.
"It's really hard to say (they should) forfeit games," Ward said. "Draft picks would hurt a lot of teams; take away their first or second-round pick - that would be a stiff penalty to make sure nobody does it again."
Steelers cornerback Deshea Townsend also felt suspicious, if only for one play he didn't identify, during one of the AFC title games.
That led quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to joke, "If they cheated during our AFC championship game (in 2005), so we should get a Super Bowl ring."
Roethlisberger has given little thought to the possibility the Patriots may have had an unfair advantage against Pittsburgh.
"No, it's actually the farthest thing from my mind. I don't think it's been in the front of too many people's mind," he said.
Pro Bowl nose tackle Casey Hampton also downplayed the cheating talk, saying scouting is so through in the NFL that it's difficult to fool any team.
"In this league, everybody knows what everybody's going to run. It's just a matter of stopping it," he said. "The bottom line is you watch enough film and you know where guys are and where they're coming from."
Dick Hoak, the NFL's most tenured assistant coach before retiring this year after 35 seasons, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the Steelers once received a suspicious video tape by mistake from an opposing team during a routine tape exchange.
The tape focused on a coach making hand signals from the sideline, Hoak said, but the Steelers did not report the tape to the NFL.
You may say its just being a crybaby, but its perfectly justified. Whether you like it or not, the Pats superbowls have been tarnished.
and solat13... mark schlereth last night said that it was a huge advantage...and that when he was a pro player in the nfl if he knew what play was coming and where... it would get stuffed every time. basicly an ex nfl player agree's that it is a HUGE advantage to know what play is coming. so much for being "the dumbest thing you have ever seen here" :rolleyes: .... now i wont insult your statement, but i could VERY easily point out how naive it was
And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
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Wow, The Patriots thread is still going I love it. It's great to see Boston sports going bantered about. We can ying and yang, he and haw but nothing is said here is relevant.
What matters most is what happens on the field not what drivel is said here. It's really what happened on the field that drove this thread to begin with.
Keep it going it's like a comedy routine.
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And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
But its still an advantage to know whats coming. If it wasnt teams would just yell out the play and not bother with signals at all.
But its still an advantage to know whats coming. If it wasnt teams would just yell out the play and not bother with signals at all.
Teams do yell what play is being run. They're called audibles. There was nothing better than playing defense after you figure out a qb's audibles.
Both teams yell out their plays all the time at the line of scrimmage. I remember one year when the Eagles played the Colts, Manning picked out every blitz and stunt that the Eagles called at the line. I think it was Trotter who said, everything we ran at him Manning had an answer for.
Teams do yell what play is being run. They're called audibles. There was nothing better than playing defense after you figure out a qb's audibles.
Both teams yell out their plays all the time at the line of scrimmage. I remember one year when the Eagles played the Colts, Manning picked out every blitz and stunt that the Eagles called at the line. I think it was Trotter who said, everything we ran at him Manning had an answer for.
They dont yell the exact play, they all use different wording, hand signals, foot taps, etc, when calling a play at the line. I promise you Peyton has never gone to the line and just looked and yelled at Marvin to run a post in the endzone.
And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
and having the answers to the test wouldn't make you do a better job at executing? lol.
sure, i understand they still have to execute...but that doesn't detract from the fact it's still cheating no matter which way you look at it.
how did i know that crybaby hines ward would have something to say
because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
Ya, as much as I am a Steeler and Hines Ward fan, he took it too far with that AFC Championship comment.
Speaking of the steelers, apparently (at least according to asst coaches) it's nothing new for Belichick:
Flagging New England for illegal use of camera is on Steelers' minds
Wednesday, September 12, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Steelers assistant coaches say privately that New England coach Bill Belichick has illegally used cameras to spy on opposing coaches flashing signals from the sideline for years, even when he was coach of the Cleveland Browns.
The NFL has confiscated a video camera and its contents from a Patriots employee who was standing on the sideline during New England's victory against the New York Jets Sunday, recording hand signals by Jets coaches, according to an ESPN report.
The Patriots reportedly were warned about a previous use of a camera in a similar situation in Green Bay after the Packers escorted the cameraman from the field. A Boston Globe report also said the Buffalo Bills complained that the Patriots used a camera in a game against them last year.
Steelers coaches, who asked not to be identified, have suspected for a long time that the Patriots used such a device to gain an illegal advantage, although they did not file a complaint with the league.
One assistant said the Steelers changed their defensive signals whenever they played against New England because of their suspicions.
New Steelers coach Mike Tomlin did not outright accuse New England of cheating, but said that the rumors have been around and "where there is smoke, there's fire."
Tomlin, at his press conference yesterday, responded to the allegations that the Patriots have used cameras illegally to focus on opposing coaches along the sideline in order to steal their signals.
"You hear rumors of things of that nature. It's nothing new. In terms of confirming it, it's never been confirmed in any instance to my knowledge. But usually where there is smoke, there's fire. Those rumors are founded on something. So it's not totally shocking, no."
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could punish the Patriots with a fine and loss of draft picks if he finds the allegations to be true. The Steelers twice lost third-round draft choices for minor violations of NFL rules. They were caught wearing shoulder pads in a minicamp in 1978 and lost a pick in the 1979 draft. They were found in a minor violation of the salary cap and lost a pick in the 2001 draft.
Steelers president Art Rooney II said he did not want to comment on the Patriots' situation.
New England won three Super Bowls in this decade with Belichick as coach and reached two of them by beating the Steelers in AFC championship games in Heinz Field. Tomlin would not speculate on what punishment the Patriots should receive if found in violation, or if an asterisk should appear next to the team's championships.
"I'll let Roger Goodell deal with that. My job is to coach the Pittsburgh Steelers and get ready to play the Buffalo Bills. I'm a guy who gets single-minded this time of year. I can live in a box from time to time. I'll wait and see what comes out of New York in regards to that situation."
Dick Hoak, a former longtime Steelers assistant coach, said the Steelers once received a video from another team by mistake in their exchange with them. The video focused on an opposing coach using hand signals along the sideline. Hoak could not remember the team, but said the Steelers did not file a complaint.
Tomlin, without outright accusing Belichick and the Patriots of illegally spying, said they've been the focus of talk for years about it.
"A lot has been said about the New England guys and New England family, if you will," Tomlin said. "You focus on the variables that you can control; the men that you work with, your preparation; your performance, at least I do. I don't worry about those things."
The Steelers play at New England on Dec. 9.
League owners rejected a proposal in March to allow one defensive player to have a radio receiver in his helmet similar to what a quarterback has, so coaches could call plays directly to him. Such a rule likely would prevent the kind of chicanery the Patriots are accused of doing. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07255/816713-66.stm
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and having the answers to the test wouldn't make you do a better job at executing? lol.
sure, i understand they still have to execute...but that doesn't detract from the fact it's still cheating no matter which way you look at it.
Maybe that's the way things were at school in Syracuse. All Big East schools can't be as good as Nova.
I agree it's cheating, but I like debating my2hands.
I just don't think it's more than a slight advantage. It's no different to me than when a catcher is telling a batter that a fastball is coming. You still have to hit the ball. And I know with all the trash talk between CBs and Wrs going on, that you have to be silly to think that Chad Johnson, TO, or Moss or any of the other prima donnas has never told a CB that I'm running a fly pattern here or running a post and daring the D to stop them.
They dont yell the exact play, they all use different wording, hand signals, foot taps, etc, when calling a play at the line. I promise you Peyton has never gone to the line and just looked and yelled at Marvin to run a post in the endzone.
Exactly... like a base coach in baseball, if they want a batter to bunt, they go through several different signs, and only one is the actual bunt sign.
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Steelers assistant coaches say privately that New England coach Bill Belichick has illegally used cameras to spy on opposing coaches flashing signals from the sideline for years, even when he was coach of the Cleveland Browns.
I know this is the point where Pats fans have to be all mancho and say that the penalty was weak and won't matter, but if you think losing one of your top picks is no "big whoop"....then why even watch football? You clearly know nothing about it.
Take a look at the Pats 1st and 2nd round picks over the last 6 years and then remove one of those players from the roster, its a significant loss. Not to mention scouts.com calls the 2008 draft one of the best in recent memory.
you clearly are assuming too much
i meant big whoop in that the money was not even a penalty and we only lost 1 pick compared to what people were saying .. multiples, bb suspension, etc
I'm aware that the Patriots draft very well and make 1st rounders count
but we also draft well enough that we will be ok...
say this didn't happen... and we picked some guy who pulls an Oden and will never play... same thing
shit happens... you deal with it and move on
so big whoop in that it was "only" 1 pick and not multiples... i'll try to be clearer for you next time
If they gained the pick because of the trade, then that means they came up on the short end of the trade. Its all equal, and the power of a 1st round pick (no matter how many a team has) is significant.
eventually 1 team comes up on the short end of a trade
draft picks don't always work out ... yes even when you're as brilliant as scott pioli and belichick
the pats losing the first round pick in 2008 sucks, but not as much since they will have the 49ers first rounder which will be much higher.
this is the first time in the history of the nfl that a 1st round pick would ever be taken away from a team. and the 500k that belichick was fined is the max that they can fine someone, so i'm not sure how the punishment is soft.
i agree though that suspending belichick for X number of games (2 or 3) would have been a much harsher punishment.
you can't please everyone. there will also be people that think the commish was too harsh and those that think he was too soft. and then you have those that just hate just to hate rather than rationally think.
They were 11-5 and beat the Patriots in a wild card game in '94 under Belichick.
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They dont yell the exact play, they all use different wording, hand signals, foot taps, etc, when calling a play at the line. I promise you Peyton has never gone to the line and just looked and yelled at Marvin to run a post in the endzone.
he probably did when playing the steelers... they're too stupid to figure it out
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because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-09-12-1294083353_x.htm
Steelers' Ward suspected Patriots spying
By Alan Robinson, AP Sports Writer
PITTSBURGH — Wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on the Pittsburgh Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.
Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.
"Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
NFL security officers confiscated a video camera and tape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was working on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 victory on Sunday. The league has confirmed that it is investigating whether the Patriots were taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
On Tuesday, Steelers first-year coach Mike Tomlin, who wasn't around for those AFC championship games, said "when there's smoke, there's fire" of widespread suspicion some NFL teams use spying tactics.
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The Patriots also beat the Steelers 41-27 in the January 2005 AFC championship game, though that victory was so convincing it would be difficult to pin it on cheating.
Still, Ward said he is disappointed there are allegations that any NFL team may have resorted to spying to gain an edge.
"You would hope that, during their run, when they were winning all their (three) Super Bowls, all that stuff wasn't going on," Ward said. "You look back in the past, and we played them in the championship games, and you kind of wonder. It seemed like they were a step ahead of us at all times, but those games are behind us. There's nothing we can do about it. You just look forward and see what the commissioner (Roger Goodell) will do."
Ward said any team caught spying should give up high draft picks.
"It's really hard to say (they should) forfeit games," Ward said. "Draft picks would hurt a lot of teams; take away their first or second-round pick - that would be a stiff penalty to make sure nobody does it again."
Steelers cornerback Deshea Townsend also felt suspicious, if only for one play he didn't identify, during one of the AFC title games.
That led quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to joke, "If they cheated during our AFC championship game (in 2005), so we should get a Super Bowl ring."
Roethlisberger has given little thought to the possibility the Patriots may have had an unfair advantage against Pittsburgh.
"No, it's actually the farthest thing from my mind. I don't think it's been in the front of too many people's mind," he said.
Pro Bowl nose tackle Casey Hampton also downplayed the cheating talk, saying scouting is so through in the NFL that it's difficult to fool any team.
"In this league, everybody knows what everybody's going to run. It's just a matter of stopping it," he said. "The bottom line is you watch enough film and you know where guys are and where they're coming from."
Dick Hoak, the NFL's most tenured assistant coach before retiring this year after 35 seasons, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the Steelers once received a suspicious video tape by mistake from an opposing team during a routine tape exchange.
The tape focused on a coach making hand signals from the sideline, Hoak said, but the Steelers did not report the tape to the NFL.
You may say its just being a crybaby, but its perfectly justified. Whether you like it or not, the Pats superbowls have been tarnished.
yup but they're too drunk and thick-headed to realize it
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Bring on the asterisks for all SB Belichick was involved in.
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And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
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What matters most is what happens on the field not what drivel is said here. It's really what happened on the field that drove this thread to begin with.
Keep it going it's like a comedy routine.
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thats piss poor
But its still an advantage to know whats coming. If it wasnt teams would just yell out the play and not bother with signals at all.
Teams do yell what play is being run. They're called audibles. There was nothing better than playing defense after you figure out a qb's audibles.
Both teams yell out their plays all the time at the line of scrimmage. I remember one year when the Eagles played the Colts, Manning picked out every blitz and stunt that the Eagles called at the line. I think it was Trotter who said, everything we ran at him Manning had an answer for.
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They dont yell the exact play, they all use different wording, hand signals, foot taps, etc, when calling a play at the line. I promise you Peyton has never gone to the line and just looked and yelled at Marvin to run a post in the endzone.
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
get used to it,,cause ur going be seeing it for awhile
Thats why his team lost.
as u found out
no he def wouldn't
he wouldn't be too pleased to be referered to as mr trixiecat..lol
And I don't feel right when you're gone away
sure, i understand they still have to execute...but that doesn't detract from the fact it's still cheating no matter which way you look at it.
Ya, as much as I am a Steeler and Hines Ward fan, he took it too far with that AFC Championship comment.
Speaking of the steelers, apparently (at least according to asst coaches) it's nothing new for Belichick:
Flagging New England for illegal use of camera is on Steelers' minds
Wednesday, September 12, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Steelers assistant coaches say privately that New England coach Bill Belichick has illegally used cameras to spy on opposing coaches flashing signals from the sideline for years, even when he was coach of the Cleveland Browns.
The NFL has confiscated a video camera and its contents from a Patriots employee who was standing on the sideline during New England's victory against the New York Jets Sunday, recording hand signals by Jets coaches, according to an ESPN report.
The Patriots reportedly were warned about a previous use of a camera in a similar situation in Green Bay after the Packers escorted the cameraman from the field. A Boston Globe report also said the Buffalo Bills complained that the Patriots used a camera in a game against them last year.
Steelers coaches, who asked not to be identified, have suspected for a long time that the Patriots used such a device to gain an illegal advantage, although they did not file a complaint with the league.
One assistant said the Steelers changed their defensive signals whenever they played against New England because of their suspicions.
New Steelers coach Mike Tomlin did not outright accuse New England of cheating, but said that the rumors have been around and "where there is smoke, there's fire."
Tomlin, at his press conference yesterday, responded to the allegations that the Patriots have used cameras illegally to focus on opposing coaches along the sideline in order to steal their signals.
"You hear rumors of things of that nature. It's nothing new. In terms of confirming it, it's never been confirmed in any instance to my knowledge. But usually where there is smoke, there's fire. Those rumors are founded on something. So it's not totally shocking, no."
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could punish the Patriots with a fine and loss of draft picks if he finds the allegations to be true. The Steelers twice lost third-round draft choices for minor violations of NFL rules. They were caught wearing shoulder pads in a minicamp in 1978 and lost a pick in the 1979 draft. They were found in a minor violation of the salary cap and lost a pick in the 2001 draft.
Steelers president Art Rooney II said he did not want to comment on the Patriots' situation.
New England won three Super Bowls in this decade with Belichick as coach and reached two of them by beating the Steelers in AFC championship games in Heinz Field. Tomlin would not speculate on what punishment the Patriots should receive if found in violation, or if an asterisk should appear next to the team's championships.
"I'll let Roger Goodell deal with that. My job is to coach the Pittsburgh Steelers and get ready to play the Buffalo Bills. I'm a guy who gets single-minded this time of year. I can live in a box from time to time. I'll wait and see what comes out of New York in regards to that situation."
Dick Hoak, a former longtime Steelers assistant coach, said the Steelers once received a video from another team by mistake in their exchange with them. The video focused on an opposing coach using hand signals along the sideline. Hoak could not remember the team, but said the Steelers did not file a complaint.
Tomlin, without outright accusing Belichick and the Patriots of illegally spying, said they've been the focus of talk for years about it.
"A lot has been said about the New England guys and New England family, if you will," Tomlin said. "You focus on the variables that you can control; the men that you work with, your preparation; your performance, at least I do. I don't worry about those things."
The Steelers play at New England on Dec. 9.
League owners rejected a proposal in March to allow one defensive player to have a radio receiver in his helmet similar to what a quarterback has, so coaches could call plays directly to him. Such a rule likely would prevent the kind of chicanery the Patriots are accused of doing.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07255/816713-66.stm
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Maybe that's the way things were at school in Syracuse. All Big East schools can't be as good as Nova.
I agree it's cheating, but I like debating my2hands.
I just don't think it's more than a slight advantage. It's no different to me than when a catcher is telling a batter that a fastball is coming. You still have to hit the ball. And I know with all the trash talk between CBs and Wrs going on, that you have to be silly to think that Chad Johnson, TO, or Moss or any of the other prima donnas has never told a CB that I'm running a fly pattern here or running a post and daring the D to stop them.
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Exactly... like a base coach in baseball, if they want a batter to bunt, they go through several different signs, and only one is the actual bunt sign.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
and yet the browns consistently sucked.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtJp.4Iq0YuCsMa7a7oNVMk5nYcB?slug=jc-historynflcheating&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
interesting article for those with the mental capacity to say something other than "pats are CHEATERS" or "tainted super bowls"
you clearly are assuming too much
i meant big whoop in that the money was not even a penalty and we only lost 1 pick compared to what people were saying .. multiples, bb suspension, etc
I'm aware that the Patriots draft very well and make 1st rounders count
but we also draft well enough that we will be ok...
say this didn't happen... and we picked some guy who pulls an Oden and will never play... same thing
shit happens... you deal with it and move on
so big whoop in that it was "only" 1 pick and not multiples... i'll try to be clearer for you next time
eventually 1 team comes up on the short end of a trade
draft picks don't always work out ... yes even when you're as brilliant as scott pioli and belichick
yes it's significant.. i will agree
but it's not a HUGE penalty
this is the first time in the history of the nfl that a 1st round pick would ever be taken away from a team. and the 500k that belichick was fined is the max that they can fine someone, so i'm not sure how the punishment is soft.
i agree though that suspending belichick for X number of games (2 or 3) would have been a much harsher punishment.
you can't please everyone. there will also be people that think the commish was too harsh and those that think he was too soft. and then you have those that just hate just to hate rather than rationally think.
no.. i call him a cry baby because i've seen him actually cry multiple times
i think it was when he lost to the pats
and when jerome bettis stubbed his toe or something
They were 11-5 and beat the Patriots in a wild card game in '94 under Belichick.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i can't believe you haven't figured out how to get more posts on a page
click User CP
then click Edit Options
scroll down to Number of Posts to Show Per Page
change it to 40
then it's only 9-10 pages of crap
he probably did when playing the steelers... they're too stupid to figure it out