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how did i know that crybaby hines ward would have something to say
because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-09-12-1294083353_x.htm
Steelers' Ward suspected Patriots spying
By Alan Robinson, AP Sports Writer
PITTSBURGH — Wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on the Pittsburgh Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.
Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.
"Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
NFL security officers confiscated a video camera and tape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was working on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 victory on Sunday. The league has confirmed that it is investigating whether the Patriots were taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
On Tuesday, Steelers first-year coach Mike Tomlin, who wasn't around for those AFC championship games, said "when there's smoke, there's fire" of widespread suspicion some NFL teams use spying tactics.
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The Patriots also beat the Steelers 41-27 in the January 2005 AFC championship game, though that victory was so convincing it would be difficult to pin it on cheating.
Still, Ward said he is disappointed there are allegations that any NFL team may have resorted to spying to gain an edge.
"You would hope that, during their run, when they were winning all their (three) Super Bowls, all that stuff wasn't going on," Ward said. "You look back in the past, and we played them in the championship games, and you kind of wonder. It seemed like they were a step ahead of us at all times, but those games are behind us. There's nothing we can do about it. You just look forward and see what the commissioner (Roger Goodell) will do."
Ward said any team caught spying should give up high draft picks.
"It's really hard to say (they should) forfeit games," Ward said. "Draft picks would hurt a lot of teams; take away their first or second-round pick - that would be a stiff penalty to make sure nobody does it again."
Steelers cornerback Deshea Townsend also felt suspicious, if only for one play he didn't identify, during one of the AFC title games.
That led quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to joke, "If they cheated during our AFC championship game (in 2005), so we should get a Super Bowl ring."
Roethlisberger has given little thought to the possibility the Patriots may have had an unfair advantage against Pittsburgh.
"No, it's actually the farthest thing from my mind. I don't think it's been in the front of too many people's mind," he said.
Pro Bowl nose tackle Casey Hampton also downplayed the cheating talk, saying scouting is so through in the NFL that it's difficult to fool any team.
"In this league, everybody knows what everybody's going to run. It's just a matter of stopping it," he said. "The bottom line is you watch enough film and you know where guys are and where they're coming from."
Dick Hoak, the NFL's most tenured assistant coach before retiring this year after 35 seasons, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the Steelers once received a suspicious video tape by mistake from an opposing team during a routine tape exchange.
The tape focused on a coach making hand signals from the sideline, Hoak said, but the Steelers did not report the tape to the NFL.Don't Believe Everything You Think0 -
bostonlou wrote:how did i know that crybaby hines ward would have something to say
because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2007-09-12-1294083353_x.htm
Steelers' Ward suspected Patriots spying
By Alan Robinson, AP Sports Writer
PITTSBURGH — Wide receiver Hines Ward suspects the New England Patriots may have had some type of inside information on the Pittsburgh Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season.
Ward is certain the Patriots, while known for the thoroughness of their scouting under coach Bill Belichick, had some kind of unusual help before their 24-17 upset victory in Pittsburgh in the January 2002 AFC championship game. The Patriots went on to win the first of their three Super Bowls.
"Oh, they knew," Ward said Wednesday. "They were calling our stuff out. They knew, especially that first championship game here at Heinz Field. They knew a lot of our calls. There's no question some of their players were calling out some of our stuff."
NFL security officers confiscated a video camera and tape from Patriots video assistant Matt Estrella while he was working on the New York Jets' sideline during New England's 38-14 victory on Sunday. The league has confirmed that it is investigating whether the Patriots were taping the Jets' defensive coaches as they signaled to players on the field.
On Tuesday, Steelers first-year coach Mike Tomlin, who wasn't around for those AFC championship games, said "when there's smoke, there's fire" of widespread suspicion some NFL teams use spying tactics.
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The Patriots also beat the Steelers 41-27 in the January 2005 AFC championship game, though that victory was so convincing it would be difficult to pin it on cheating.
Still, Ward said he is disappointed there are allegations that any NFL team may have resorted to spying to gain an edge.
"You would hope that, during their run, when they were winning all their (three) Super Bowls, all that stuff wasn't going on," Ward said. "You look back in the past, and we played them in the championship games, and you kind of wonder. It seemed like they were a step ahead of us at all times, but those games are behind us. There's nothing we can do about it. You just look forward and see what the commissioner (Roger Goodell) will do."
Ward said any team caught spying should give up high draft picks.
"It's really hard to say (they should) forfeit games," Ward said. "Draft picks would hurt a lot of teams; take away their first or second-round pick - that would be a stiff penalty to make sure nobody does it again."
Steelers cornerback Deshea Townsend also felt suspicious, if only for one play he didn't identify, during one of the AFC title games.
That led quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to joke, "If they cheated during our AFC championship game (in 2005), so we should get a Super Bowl ring."
Roethlisberger has given little thought to the possibility the Patriots may have had an unfair advantage against Pittsburgh.
"No, it's actually the farthest thing from my mind. I don't think it's been in the front of too many people's mind," he said.
Pro Bowl nose tackle Casey Hampton also downplayed the cheating talk, saying scouting is so through in the NFL that it's difficult to fool any team.
"In this league, everybody knows what everybody's going to run. It's just a matter of stopping it," he said. "The bottom line is you watch enough film and you know where guys are and where they're coming from."
Dick Hoak, the NFL's most tenured assistant coach before retiring this year after 35 seasons, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the Steelers once received a suspicious video tape by mistake from an opposing team during a routine tape exchange.
The tape focused on a coach making hand signals from the sideline, Hoak said, but the Steelers did not report the tape to the NFL.
You may say its just being a crybaby, but its perfectly justified. Whether you like it or not, the Pats superbowls have been tarnished.0 -
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my2hands wrote:
and solat13... mark schlereth last night said that it was a huge advantage...and that when he was a pro player in the nfl if he knew what play was coming and where... it would get stuffed every time. basicly an ex nfl player agree's that it is a HUGE advantage to know what play is coming. so much for being "the dumbest thing you have ever seen here" :rolleyes: .... now i wont insult your statement, but i could VERY easily point out how naive it was
And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.- Busted down the pretext
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Wow, The Patriots thread is still going I love it. It's great to see Boston sports going bantered about. We can ying and yang, he and haw but nothing is said here is relevant.
What matters most is what happens on the field not what drivel is said here. It's really what happened on the field that drove this thread to begin with.
Keep it going it's like a comedy routine.
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Solat13 wrote:And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
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Solat13 wrote:And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
But its still an advantage to know whats coming. If it wasnt teams would just yell out the play and not bother with signals at all.0 -
dg1979us wrote:But its still an advantage to know whats coming. If it wasnt teams would just yell out the play and not bother with signals at all.
Teams do yell what play is being run. They're called audibles. There was nothing better than playing defense after you figure out a qb's audibles.
Both teams yell out their plays all the time at the line of scrimmage. I remember one year when the Eagles played the Colts, Manning picked out every blitz and stunt that the Eagles called at the line. I think it was Trotter who said, everything we ran at him Manning had an answer for.- Busted down the pretext
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Solat13 wrote:Teams do yell what play is being run. They're called audibles. There was nothing better than playing defense after you figure out a qb's audibles.
Both teams yell out their plays all the time at the line of scrimmage. I remember one year when the Eagles played the Colts, Manning picked out every blitz and stunt that the Eagles called at the line. I think it was Trotter who said, everything we ran at him Manning had an answer for.
They dont yell the exact play, they all use different wording, hand signals, foot taps, etc, when calling a play at the line. I promise you Peyton has never gone to the line and just looked and yelled at Marvin to run a post in the endzone.0 -
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Doesn't Hines Ward remember that Kordell Stewart was the QB in that game?
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and having the answers to the test wouldn't make you do a better job at executing? lol.Solat13 wrote:And here's what McNabb said, "One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."
Which was my whole point, even if you know what's coming, if you don't execute the play it's worthless.
sure, i understand they still have to execute...but that doesn't detract from the fact it's still cheating no matter which way you look at it.0 -
bostonlou wrote:how did i know that crybaby hines ward would have something to say
because the patriots were well prepared for the games he now chimes in ... maybe if cowher had a clue you would of been prepared too miss sniffles
amazing
at least Big Ben is realistic
Ya, as much as I am a Steeler and Hines Ward fan, he took it too far with that AFC Championship comment.
Speaking of the steelers, apparently (at least according to asst coaches) it's nothing new for Belichick:
Flagging New England for illegal use of camera is on Steelers' minds
Wednesday, September 12, 2007
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Steelers assistant coaches say privately that New England coach Bill Belichick has illegally used cameras to spy on opposing coaches flashing signals from the sideline for years, even when he was coach of the Cleveland Browns.
The NFL has confiscated a video camera and its contents from a Patriots employee who was standing on the sideline during New England's victory against the New York Jets Sunday, recording hand signals by Jets coaches, according to an ESPN report.
The Patriots reportedly were warned about a previous use of a camera in a similar situation in Green Bay after the Packers escorted the cameraman from the field. A Boston Globe report also said the Buffalo Bills complained that the Patriots used a camera in a game against them last year.
Steelers coaches, who asked not to be identified, have suspected for a long time that the Patriots used such a device to gain an illegal advantage, although they did not file a complaint with the league.
One assistant said the Steelers changed their defensive signals whenever they played against New England because of their suspicions.
New Steelers coach Mike Tomlin did not outright accuse New England of cheating, but said that the rumors have been around and "where there is smoke, there's fire."
Tomlin, at his press conference yesterday, responded to the allegations that the Patriots have used cameras illegally to focus on opposing coaches along the sideline in order to steal their signals.
"You hear rumors of things of that nature. It's nothing new. In terms of confirming it, it's never been confirmed in any instance to my knowledge. But usually where there is smoke, there's fire. Those rumors are founded on something. So it's not totally shocking, no."
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell could punish the Patriots with a fine and loss of draft picks if he finds the allegations to be true. The Steelers twice lost third-round draft choices for minor violations of NFL rules. They were caught wearing shoulder pads in a minicamp in 1978 and lost a pick in the 1979 draft. They were found in a minor violation of the salary cap and lost a pick in the 2001 draft.
Steelers president Art Rooney II said he did not want to comment on the Patriots' situation.
New England won three Super Bowls in this decade with Belichick as coach and reached two of them by beating the Steelers in AFC championship games in Heinz Field. Tomlin would not speculate on what punishment the Patriots should receive if found in violation, or if an asterisk should appear next to the team's championships.
"I'll let Roger Goodell deal with that. My job is to coach the Pittsburgh Steelers and get ready to play the Buffalo Bills. I'm a guy who gets single-minded this time of year. I can live in a box from time to time. I'll wait and see what comes out of New York in regards to that situation."
Dick Hoak, a former longtime Steelers assistant coach, said the Steelers once received a video from another team by mistake in their exchange with them. The video focused on an opposing coach using hand signals along the sideline. Hoak could not remember the team, but said the Steelers did not file a complaint.
Tomlin, without outright accusing Belichick and the Patriots of illegally spying, said they've been the focus of talk for years about it.
"A lot has been said about the New England guys and New England family, if you will," Tomlin said. "You focus on the variables that you can control; the men that you work with, your preparation; your performance, at least I do. I don't worry about those things."
The Steelers play at New England on Dec. 9.
League owners rejected a proposal in March to allow one defensive player to have a radio receiver in his helmet similar to what a quarterback has, so coaches could call plays directly to him. Such a rule likely would prevent the kind of chicanery the Patriots are accused of doing.
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