"Breastfeeding Moms Protest H&M"

catefrances wrote:

whoever said discretion is not required? what do you dissenters think? that a woman will just whip her massive lactating breast out for all to see(even those sensitive souls who ogle little miss perky tits bouncing topless along the sand) and attach her baby? discretion has always been the key. when you mention blankets, exactly what is it you mean by this? how do you think the mother, trying to juggle her child and eat her meal(if she is in the middle of it) whilst engaging in much needed conversation with her lover will accomplish this discretionary action? what happens if the blanket falls to the floor? is she obliged to retireve it upsetting her babys feeding to do so?

Look, I never mentioned blanket until a few posts ago. I never said women should use blankets either.

All I asked is if using a blanket is that difficult to do when you're in a restaurant or whatever. Apparently it is.

And by the way if her lover is next to her I'd think he could help out, like putting the blanket in its place, picking it up when it falls... What kind of a father would let his partner handle that all on her own when he's just sitting there?

catefrances wrote:

i think its sad you thought i was serious. especially considering the tone and content of all my previous posts.

Well, likewise.

please show me where i wrote collin you are narrowminded and puritanical? i dont believe i did. i cannot help it if you misconstrue the target of my words as being you.

So what did you mean with "people such as yourself ".

And yes, you can help it. I've got 200 pages right next to me on how to make your texts as clear as possible

Collin wrote:

Look, I never mentioned blanket until a few posts ago. I never said women should use blankets either.

All I asked is if using a blanket is that difficult to do when you're in a restaurant or whatever. Apparently it is.

And by the way if her lover is next to her I'd think he could help out, like putting the blanket in its place, picking it up when it falls... What kind of a father would let his partner handle that all on her own when he's just sitting there?

saometimes a blanket is a hindrance collin, thats all i meant. we want this to be as simple a procedure as possible to reduce stress for both mother and baby.
perhaps the father knows his partner well enough from experince to know that the dropped blanket is not a problem as far as she can see it. and men fussing around her will annoy her more than the tsk tsks of offended patrons. fuck knows the father of my children knew better than to 'come to my aid' whilst i was feeding his children unless i asked for it specifically.

catefrances wrote:

saometimes a blanket is a hindrance collin, thats all i meant. we want this to be as simple a procedure as possible to reduce stress for both mother and baby.
perhaps the father knows his partner well enough from experince to know that the dropped blanket is not a problem as far as she can see it. and men fussing around her will annoy her more than the tsk tsks of offended patrons. fuck knows the father of my children knew better than to 'come to my aid' whilst i was feeding his children unless i asked for it specifically.

Fair enough, but it was you who said that a breastfeeding mother's primary and only concern is feeding her child.

But at the same times she needs to eat while feeding her daughter and talk to her partner as well?

facepollution wrote:

Funny how the vast majority of women manage just fine with showing some discretion, and really you wouldn't mind doing that while sitting a few feet away from a 14 year old boy whilst holding conversation? Well fair enough, I can't argue with that I guess.

is this 14 year old boy in my dining party?

catefrances wrote:

this is what i said collin:
have you actually seen a woman breastfeed in public? i have. and i have also actually perpetrated such a disgusting act. it has always been done and observed to be done with the utmost discretion. this was done clearly with people such as yourself in mind. nursing mothers are well aware of how narrrowminded and puritanical people can get when the breast is used for the sustinence of a child. tis like people are having their eyes poked out. and for what? why? and where does this attitude come from?

did you deliberately ignore the sentence before the one you quoted to boost your ire?

nope sorry collin as good as i am, i am beyond interpretting text for you. its a skill we all must learn. and learn correctly in order to avoid misconstruing someones intent.

I read what you wrote. No, I didn't. (I didn't ignore ...)

it has always been done and observed to be done with the utmost discretion.


"this (= breastfeeding with utmost discretion) was done clearly with people such as yourself in mind. (I have repeatedly said I don't have a problem with it, that I look away, that I won't comment on it whether it is done discretely or not)."

And then you continue with:

nursing mothers are well aware (= could easily be linked to "done with people such as yourself in mind") of how narrrowminded and puritanical people can get when the breast is used for the sustinence of a child.

Sometimes, Cate, there's a misunderstanding regardless of how skilled a person is in writing clearly or interpreting text. In that case one can only ask for further explanation.

So, I still don't know what you mean by "people such as yourself", because the way I see it, it doesn't make sense.

Perhaps I should reminds you that English isn't my native language and I do miss certain things, nuances... that native speakers would pick up.

facepollution wrote:

I have seen women pull their breast out and left it completely exposed for quite a while before they actually put their child to it. As an adult I know to avert my eyes, but as a teenage boy I was mortally embarrassed - I guess that is a difficult feeling to describe to a woman. So really we are talking about two different types of mother, those who do use discretion (the vast majority) and those who have absolutely no regard for their surroundings and the people who may be there.

Isn't that funny because I've had exactly the same experience with men and their dicks.

Constantly showing them to me, dropping their pants and pissing in front of me, beating off in front of me.

I guess it's a difficult feeling to describe to a man. As an adult I've learned to make a big noise about it and name that perversion loudly and calmly but I can say that as a young girl I found it very distressing and extremely threatening.

So I guess we're talking about two different kinds of men also. Those that use discretion and those that are dirty, perverted letches with absolutely no regard for anybody but themselves and their own sexual gratification.

(And no I'm not joking, I'm deadly serious, just in case someone wants to come along and misread and assume and put words in my mouth yet again.)

Bottom line for me is, I don't judge all men by the bad behaviour of a few and as an adult I can even see that there are possibly reasons for such offensive behaviour. AND frankly I find a man exposing his penis not even in the same ball park as a woman exposing her breast in order to feed. I had to get over it, make a judgement call about each incident and the person involved and not allow it to colour my view of all men or place unreasonable expectations upon them. Maybe you could try doing the same?

Collin wrote:

You said it's a mother's only concern. If a mother can talk and eat while feeding her child, she can certainly put on blanket on her child as well. Perhaps she'll have to shut up for a moment (ay, there's the rub ) or maybe she'll have to put her fork down for a minute... but it should be possible.

i believe ive already addressed this issue collin.

catefrances wrote:

i am well aware that english is not your first language collin.

people such as yourself = people who have a problem with mothers breastfeeding in public. you have just stated that this is not the case. therefore i shall respectfully(in this instance) defer to my good graces and apologise for MY misunderstanding.

No problem.

Jeanie wrote:

Isn't that funny because I've had exactly the same experience with men and their dicks.

Constantly showing them to me, dropping their pants and pissing in front of me, beating off in front of me.

I guess it's a difficult feeling to describe to a man. As an adult I've learned to make a big noise about it and name that perversion loudly and calmly but I can say that as a young girl I found it very distressing and extremely threatening.

So I guess we're talking about two different kinds of men also. Those that use discretion and those that are dirty, perverted letches with absolutely no regard for anybody but themselves and their own sexual gratification.

I can't believe you possibly think the two situations are comparable.

Jeanie wrote:

Bottom line for me is, I don't judge all men by the bad behaviour of a few and as an adult I can even see that there are possibly reasons for such offensive behaviour. AND frankly I find a man exposing his penis not even in the same ball park as a woman exposing her breast in order to feed. I had to get over it, make a judgement call about each incident and the person involved and not allow it to colour my view of all men or place unreasonable expectations upon them. Maybe you could try doing the same?

And quite clearly I have done the same by stating that the vast majority of women do show discretion. This is possibly the most ridiculous post in this entire thread.