"Breastfeeding Moms Protest H&M"

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GTFLYGIRL wrote:

Haha...You mean like even if you have an "on schedule" child (which in itself is absurd considering how they grow and change almost daily.... ) But IF YOU DID.

OK...So..you feed them and plan to leave the house at 10 am. But at 9:58 the kid has a crazy poopie. So you fix that all up and then you realize it has started raining and you have to organize the rain gear for the kid. Then it spits up. Then the dog gets out. Then you realize you don't have much gas in the car. And as you're leaving your boss calls with an important question. So even though the kid ate at 9 and her "schedule" indicates she shouldn't be hungry til 12:30... You actually don't hit the road til almost 11. Then there's traffic and you can't find a parking spot. Then the stupid stroller sicks when you are trying to open it.

By the time you get into the store...you know...where you figured you'd be by 10:20...well...Now it's 11:45. You figure...OK...get in some quick shopping...AFTER ALL THIS. You figure the kid can probably hold off til like 12:45...15 minutes after its "scheduled" (hehe) time so you SHOULD be ok.

But guess what...Baby has other ideas and gets hungry 15 minutes later...1/2 hour before "normal" time. Now it's NOON. You just got to the damn store. You have clothes in your hands. You see a nice comfy mini couch in the woman's department. What do you do?

Me? I'd sit my worn out ass down on the little couch and feed my kid.

Boss? Breastfeeding woman? Work? How dare she?

chiquimonkey

cutback wrote:

i would say "BOOBS"!!!!!!

:D

prepare for scandal and bedlam....
































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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EVERYBODY RUN!!!

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GTFLYGIRL wrote:

You know....

Frantically screaming babies (you know...the hungry ones...) are something else all kinds of people freak out about.

Can't that mother do "something??"

Uhm...Yeah... But...well she needs to find someplace that people find "more acceptable."

Would a Food Court be appropriate? A place where everyone else is eating?

And while this mom who is probably running on minimal sleep and is tired and worn -the -f out like many moms are... listens to her baby scream and gets dirty looks from people because of it...her frustration tolerance runs low as the baby grows more and more hungry, irritable and difficult to console. Not the best combo!!!

Hungry babies need to eat. Simple as that. They are BABIES!

Seems like a lot of people expect a lot from others.

I think this is a very important point. Why do so many people feel the need to judge how others (namely women, in the threads I frequent) should be carrying on with their lives? Don't people realize that these moms are doing the best they can? Even if there were room for criticism (and I'm not saying there is), why focus on the things we think they should do better or more to OUR liking? Why don't we instead focus our energy on supporting those who have the hardest jobs in the world - bearing and raising the next generation of people? How is making them feel bad for not meeting some abstract discretion standards productive in any way?

norm

chiquimonkey wrote:

prepare for scandal and bedlam....



wait for it.....



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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EVERYBODY RUN!!!

i'm offended!!! i'm reporting this post!!

Jeanie

chiquimonkey wrote:

prepare for scandal and bedlam....
































wait for it.....


























(o)(o)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA EVERYBODY RUN!!!

Nice pasties! Shame there's no tassles!!!

Collin

scb wrote:

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Sweet dreams.

Cool.

Collin

Jeanie wrote:

Read Animal's posts and don't be snide with me just because I have the audacity to go to bed at 2.30am with no further desire to spoon feed you because you're having a comprehension problem and want to turn the whole thing into a rant against feminism. If it's good enough for you to give up at bedtime it's good enough for me.

I read his posts. All of them. He never said what you claim he did. If you think he did, you are the one with a comprehension problem.

Who said you did? But you seem to think that mutual respect involves a blanket for some women.

Nope, I never in this entire thread mentioned a blanket. Read your post again, and see who was talking about a "a whole new set of rules and regulations."

WHY should women take anybody else's feelings into consideration when they're breastfeeding?

Why should anyone care about anyone else's feelings. I've read quite a few times here that some women received dirty looks and unkind comments. People don't have to care about that mother's feelings either. They have a right to voice their opinion.

But besides that there's still the issue of private property. The owner of a bar, restaurant, store... has a right to decide what is acceptable in his store. If he doesn't want people comming in topless he has a right to tell them to wear a shirt or leave. The same goes for breastfeeding. This person's livelihood depends on his business and his customers. If his customers complain he can say it's his property and he decides what is allowed and what is not, but he could very well risk losing a few customers if he allows the mother to stay. He could of course offer her to go somewhere more quiet, away from the dining guests... But no, some of you, I don't know where you stand anymore, feel there's no need for compromise, that others' rights can be trampled on... and I don't agree with that.

I don't think breastfeeding mothers have the right to trespass. So why should they take other people's feelings into consideration, well, first of all, you might be on their property and you might actually be costing the owner money because of your breastfeeding (well, because of people who cannot stand breastfeeding).

And I happen to think a little respect and consideration of other people goes a long way, always.

I'm not really understanding why you've dragged scb into this and labelled her a feminist (like it's a bad thing :rolleyes:) and clearly misrepresented her level of compassion for others except perhaps you were frustrated that you weren't going to be able to continue misconstruing what I was saying, calling me stupid and generally sprouting off at me because I had gone to bed.

I think scb and I already worked this out. When I called you stupid, I believe there was a smiley next to it, which as we both know, means it's humourous.

And yes, I do consider feminism a bad thing. It used to be imperative, now it's become an ugly caricature of what it used to be.

Just don't try to tell me that these other examples are acceptable if inadvertant boobage during breast feeding is not. THAT right there is the issue as far as I'm concerned.

Well, I never did tell you that, did I?

No and I never said you did, but you keep coming back to your interpretation of discretion and as far as I can see I don't agree with you on that and I don't see any reason why I can't say I don't agree.

Well, I never defined discretion and in fact most of the time I even used the quantifier 'little'.

I did say there should be no punishment for women breastfeeding, that it is normal, legal and women have every right to do it even if you disagree with it and that is part of the mutual respect I was talking about. Nowhere did I mention a blanket.

You can disagree with me, sure. But note that whatever definition you have in your mind about discretion is yours, not mine. You wrongly concluded that I feel that discretion involves a blanket. So, by all means, disagree with your own fabrications of what I said.

Collin

Jeanie wrote:

So it's ok for MLK to fight for civil rights but it's not ok for women to continue fighting for women's rights? Is that it? Seems to me that the rights of women as a movement have been going on a whole lot longer than civil rights.

You mean the right to breastfeed that is already established?

But perhaps you missed this little part of the post you quoted:

"I'm okay with fighting for your rights to breastfeed"

That you find it absurd is rather sad really but the topic for another thread I think.

You think there's a parallel, I don't. I think it's entirely different.

If a black man without a shirt walks into a restaurant and the owner says he has to wear a shirt or leave, is that racism?

Collin

GTFLYGIRL wrote:

You know....

Frantically screaming babies (you know...the hungry ones...) are something else all kinds of people freak out about.

Can't that mother do "something??"

Uhm...Yeah... But...well she needs to find someplace that people find "more acceptable."

Would a Food Court be appropriate? A place where everyone else is eating?

And while this mom who is probably running on minimal sleep and is tired and worn -the -f out like many moms are... listens to her baby scream and gets dirty looks from people because of it...her frustration tolerance runs low as the baby grows more and more hungry, irritable and difficult to console. Not the best combo!!!

Hungry babies need to eat. Simple as that. They are BABIES!

Seems like a lot of people expect a lot from others.

People do expect a lot from others, breastfeeding moms are no exception.

scb wrote:

I think this is a very important point. Why do so many people feel the need to judge how others (namely women, in the threads I frequent) should be carrying on with their lives? Don't people realize that these moms are doing the best they can? Even if there were room for criticism (and I'm not saying there is), why focus on the things we think they should do better or more to OUR liking? Why don't we instead focus our energy on supporting those who have the hardest jobs in the world - bearing and raising the next generation of people? How is making them feel bad for not meeting some abstract discretion standards productive in any way?

Perhaps some of the people in that restaurant are mothers themselves, who just happen to have one little moment of peace, away from the screams and demands of her own children, a moment to herself.

Perhaps there people with children in the restaurant who don't want their children to see your breast. Yet, you don't want to compromise and find a place more private or cover up. You said we should encourage breastfeeding and look at it as something beautiful. Well, you have no right to tell these parents how to raise their children. The parents can avert their eyes, but they don't control the eyes of their children. A restaurant owner does have the right to tell you to cover up, especially after he recieved complaints.

I think most mothers would welcome a little privacy, but you make it sounds like offering privacy is an insult. Perhaps when someone tells a mother there's a private room somewhere they are doing it because they want to help the mother with her difficult job and want to spare her the dirty looks and comments. And by doing so perhaps they also want to respect the wishes of the single mom who finally got a moment of peace to herself and just want to enjoy her meal.

catefrances

Collin wrote:

People do expect a lot from others, breastfeeding moms are no exception.



Perhaps some of the people in that restaurant are mothers themselves, who just happen to have one little moment of peace, away from the screams and demands of her own children, a moment to herself.

Perhaps there people with children in the restaurant who don't want their children to see your breast. Yet, you don't want to compromise and find a place more private or cover up. You said we should encourage breastfeeding and look at it as something beautiful. Well, you have no right to tell these parents how to raise their children. The parents can avert their eyes, but they don't control the eyes of their children. A restaurant owner does have the right to tell you to cover up, especially after he recieved complaints.

and no one has the right to tell me as a breastfeeding mother how to bring up my child either collin. so i guess we find ourselves at an impasse.

Collin wrote:

I think most mothers would welcome a little privacy, but you make it sounds like offering privacy is an insult. Perhaps when someone tells a mother there's a private room somewhere they are doing it because they want to help the mother with her difficult job and want to spare her the dirty looks and comments. And by doing so perhaps they also want to respect the wishes of the single mom who finally got a moment of peace to herself and just want to enjoy her meal.

you dont get it do you collin. a brestfeeding mothers primary and only concern now that i think about it is feeding her child. shes not particularly interested in what others think of what she is doing. she is feeding her child just as those other parents are feeding theres. tis only the modus operandi that differs. and if parents cant answer a question about breastfeeding then they seriously need to reevaluate their skills.

Collin

catefrances wrote:

and no one has the right to tell me as a breastfeeding mother how to bring up my child.

Yes, that's why I've been for compromise since the beginning of this thread. That's why I said I think a little discretion goes a long way.

you dont get it do you collin. a brestfeeding mothers primary and only concern now that i think about it is feeding her child. shes not particularly interested in what others think of what she is doing. she is feeding her child just as those other parents are feeding theres. tis only the modus operandi that differs. and if parents cant answer a question about breastfeeding then they seriously need to reevaluate their skills.

I understand how important a child is to a mother. But having a child does not give you the right to trample over other people's right. The owner of a restaurant has the right to ask you to cover up. A boob is a boob, right? Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your breastfeeding skills if you can't feed your child with a blanket, or if you can't feed your child somewhere more private.

You are on someone's else property. Yes, you do have a right to feed your child but the owner has rights too.

Again, that's why I'm all for compromise and a little discretion.

surfanddestroy

I have been reading through this thread and jeez Collin you sure are taking a beating. I am with you on this one though, I agree that a mother has a right to feed her child but there really should be an amount of discretion involved. Respect is a two way thing and if you want respect as a mother who wants to breastfeed her child in public you should have respect for the people around you.

catefrances

Collin wrote:

Yes, that's why I've been for compromise since the beginning of this thread. That's why I said I think a little discretion goes a long way.



I understand how important a child is to a mother. But having a child does not give you the right to trample over other people's right. The owner of a restaurant has the right to ask you to cover up. A boob is a boob, right? Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your breastfeeding skills if you can't feed your child with a blanket, or if you can't feed your child somewhere more private.

You are on someone's else property. Yes, you do have a right to feed your child but the owner has rights too.

Again, that's why I'm all for compromise and a little discretion.

hmm collin there are so many things i want to say here, but i shall choose to use a massive amount of discretion so we can have a civilised conversation.

are restaurants and places where the PUBLIC gather really considered private property in the same sense as peoples homes? can a proprietor claim privacy the way a person in their home can? i think not.

have you actually seen a woman breastfeed in public? i have. and i have also actually perpetrated such a disgusting act. it has always been done and observed to be done with the utmost discretion. this was done clearly with people such as yourself in mind. nursing mothers are well aware of how narrrowminded and puritanical people can get when the breast is used for the sustinence of a child. tis like people are having their eyes poked out. and for what? why? and where does this attitude come from?

catefrances

surfanddestroy wrote:

I have been reading through this thread and jeez Collin you sure are taking a beating. I am with you on this one though, I agree that a mother has a right to feed her child but there really should be an amount of discretion involved. Respect is a two way thing and if you want respect as a mother who wants to breastfeed her child in public you should have respect for the people around you.

whoever said discretion is not required? what do you dissenters think? that a woman will just whip her massive lactating breast out for all to see(even those sensitive souls who ogle little miss perky tits bouncing topless along the sand) and attach her baby? discretion has always been the key. when you mention blankets, exactly what is it you mean by this? how do you think the mother, trying to juggle her child and eat her meal(if she is in the middle of it) whilst engaging in much needed conversation with her lover will accomplish this discretionary action? what happens if the blanket falls to the floor? is she obliged to retireve it upsetting her babys feeding to do so?

surfanddestroy

catefrances wrote:

whoever said discretion is not required? what do you dissenters think? that a woman will just whip her massive lactating breast out for all to see(even those sensitive souls who ogle little miss perky tits bouncing topless along the sand) and attach her baby? discretion has always been the key. when you mention blankets, exactly what is it you mean by this? how do you think the mother, trying to juggle her child and eat her meal(if she is in the middle of it) whilst engaging in much needed conversation with her lover will accomplish this discretionary action? what happens if the blanket falls to the floor? is she obliged to retireve it upsetting her babys feeding to do so?

I never mentioned blankets, all I said was descretion which could mean anything from just leaving a department store to find a quiet area that is more suitable.

catefrances

surfanddestroy wrote:

I never mentioned blankets, all I said was descretion which could mean anything from just leaving a department store to find a quiet area that is more suitable.

oh i know you didnt mention blankets. i am still pissed off with collin and so it carried over when i was replying to your post.

surfanddestroy

catefrances wrote:

oh i know you didnt mention blankets. i am still pissed off with collin and so it carried over when i was replying to your post.

No probs

Collin

catefrances wrote:

are restaurants and places where the PUBLIC gather really considered private property in the same sense as peoples homes? can a proprietor claim privacy the way a person in their home can? i think not.

Actually, yes. Here anyway. I don't know about Australia.

have you actually seen a woman breastfeed in public? i have. and i have also actually perpetrated such a disgusting act. it has always been done and observed to be done with the utmost discretion. this was done clearly with people such as yourself in mind. nursing mothers are well aware of how narrrowminded and puritanical people can get when the breast is used for the sustinence of a child. tis like people are having their eyes poked out. and for what? why? and where does this attitude come from?

Yes, I have seen women breastfeeding. In fact, I saw it last week, the mother was sitting on the couch that's right behind me as I type this. I actually went up to her hand her a bag she had asked for. I think it's sad you think it's a disgusting act, Cate. Really, it's very natural and normal.

Thanks for calling me narrowminded and puritanical. If you had read my posts you'd see I have no problem with breastfeeding. I do, however, acknowledge that some people do.

So before you judge me, you might actually want to read what I wrote.

facepollution

catefrances wrote:

whoever said discretion is not required? what do you dissenters think? that a woman will just whip her massive lactating breast out for all to see(even those sensitive souls who ogle little miss perky tits bouncing topless along the sand) and attach her baby? discretion has always been the key. when you mention blankets, exactly what is it you mean by this? how do you think the mother, trying to juggle her child and eat her meal(if she is in the middle of it) whilst engaging in much needed conversation with her lover will accomplish this discretionary action? what happens if the blanket falls to the floor? is she obliged to retireve it upsetting her babys feeding to do so?

I have seen women pull their breast out and left it completely exposed for quite a while before they actually put their child to it. As an adult I know to avert my eyes, but as a teenage boy I was mortally embarrassed - I guess that is a difficult feeling to describe to a woman. So really we are talking about two different types of mother, those who do use discretion (the vast majority) and those who have absolutely no regard for their surroundings and the people who may be there.

catefrances

Collin wrote:

Actually, yes. Here anyway. I don't know about Australia.



Yes, I have seen women breastfeeding. In fact, I saw it last week, the mother was sitting on the couch that's right behind me as I type this. I actually went up to her hand her a bag she had asked for. I think it's sad you think it's a disgusting act, Cate. Really, it's very natural and normal.

i think its sad you thought i was serious. especially considering the tone and content of all my previous posts.

Collin wrote:

Thanks for calling me narrowminded and puritanical. If you had read my posts you'd see I have no problem with breastfeeding. I do, however, acknowledge that some people do.

So before you judge me, you might actually want to read what I wrote.

please show me where i wrote collin you are narrowminded and puritanical? i dont believe i did. i cannot help it if you misconstrue the target of my words as being you.