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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    If Bowa was the Indians 3B coach, they just might playing Wednesday night.

    Kennedy is the only player that I would not want to part with in that deal. Wang and Melky as part of a Johan deal, I'd be okay with. Obviously the Twins would need more than those 2. I'm sure if they do make a deal, it would be contingent on having a few days to work out an long term contract so they're not giving up 3 cheap players with great futures for a one year rental

    i agree. but they're not gonna get santana without offering a package that starts with kennedy, joba, or hughes.

    and santana is poised to become the highest paid pitcher of all time, so i can't imagine any set of circumstances in which he would sign an extension before testing free agency. if the yankees want him so badly, they can wait until after '08 and try to sign to him then. if the pitching staff shapes up before then, they might not even need him.

    furthermore, melky is probably a-rod's best friend on the team. a-rod might walk if melky gets traded. if a-rod walks, the yankees aren't making the postseason in '08... so why mortgage the future for a one-year rental on santana?
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    aNiMaL wrote:
    MY GAWD I am tired of this thread. The Yankees sucked again this year. Wipe your tears away and pick this up again next spring. Nobody cares about Yankees baseball - they are not relevant.

    Unless your team plays in Colorado or Boston, your baseball thread should be locked up for the off season.

    It's NYC and Yankee fans always have something to talk about even if it makes no sense. I'm going to their Spring Training camp also with my Red Sox gear just to see how the Yanks will shape up next year.

    Peace
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    i agree. but they're not gonna get santana without offering a package that starts with kennedy, joba, or hughes.


    You're probably right, and I hope the Yankees don't go overboard for him. I'm okay going into the season with Pettitte (assuming he picks up his option) Wang, Joba, Hughes, and either Kennedy or Mussina. I even think Igawa may be an asset in bullpen next year, based on his work in Scranton, and the rumors that Scranton pitching coach Dave Eiland will be promoted to the bigs. I wonder if the price will drop for Santana if the Twins still have him at the next trade deadline, or if they'd keep him and get the compensatory draft picks? I have to say though, as a baseball fan in general, I'd rather see him stay with the Twins. I love watching them on the basball package
  • NCBRI
    NCBRI Posts: 1,902
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    another rumor i've been hearing is that hank and hal want to send ian kennedy, melky cabrera, and chien-ming wang to minnesota for a one-year rental on johan santana...

    i miss steve swindal...


    I will be dissapointed if they went crazy trying to trade for Santana. As soon as you do that, his arm will fall apart. Let someone else mortgage their future on him in a trade.

    Girardi audio on today's interview in Tampa: http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/

    Larussa is staying in St. Louis so it looks like he is out. Still only 3 known candidates.

    Bowa hasn't taken the Seattle job yet. He would like to stay with the Yanks. You guys are right about him being a good 3B coach. I can't disagree with that. I just don't want to see him as manager. I don't think he did a great job with the Phils.
    Brian
  • Allie
    Allie Posts: 2,908
    what do we all think of this rumour that Levine allegedly made the 'low' $ offer to Joe on purpose, knowing he would refuse it?
    "...like a word misplaced, nothing said, what a waste.."
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  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    You're probably right, and I hope the Yankees don't go overboard for him. I'm okay going into the season with Pettitte (assuming he picks up his option) Wang, Joba, Hughes, and either Kennedy or Mussina. I even think Igawa may be an asset in bullpen next year, based on his work in Scranton, and the rumors that Scranton pitching coach Dave Eiland will be promoted to the bigs. I wonder if the price will drop for Santana if the Twins still have him at the next trade deadline, or if they'd keep him and get the compensatory draft picks? I have to say though, as a baseball fan in general, I'd rather see him stay with the Twins. I love watching them on the basball package

    igawa, sean henn, and chase wright will likely be competing for a bullpen spot if the yankees don't land a lefty free agent. igawa walks too many people to be an effective relief pitcher. he'll need to show better control during spring training to have a chance at the job.

    the yankees like dave eiland a lot. guidry's days were numbered when they gave eiland a "september call up" this year (supposedly to help ian kennedy with his transition). he was given most of the credit for turning around phil hughes' season after a mediocre august.

    ideally, the twins would wait until the deadline to decide if they want to trade santana. if liriano comes back healthy, they could be the world series favorites in '08. if scott baker, matt garza, and boof bonser live up to their potential, that could be one of the better rotations in recent memory. so it wouldn't really make sense for them to bail on santana before these questions are answered.

    peter abraham wrote today that chien-ming wang wouldn't be a good fit for the twins. i agree with his reasoning.

    right now, it seems like a trade that doesn't make sense for either team. i'm hoping that the tampa trio will somehow realize this.

    and i agree with you that it would be better for baseball if santana stayed with the twins. they could make a huge statement to their fans and to other small market teams by re-signing him. a player of santana's caliber would likely generate enough revenue to offset a lot of the cost. aren't the twins moving into a new stadium in a few years?
  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    NCBRI wrote:
    I will be dissapointed if they went crazy trying to trade for Santana. As soon as you do that, his arm will fall apart. Let someone else mortgage their future on him in a trade.

    Girardi audio on today's interview in Tampa: http://yankees.lohudblogs.com/

    Larussa is staying in St. Louis so it looks like he is out. Still only 3 known candidates.

    Bowa hasn't taken the Seattle job yet. He would like to stay with the Yanks. You guys are right about him being a good 3B coach. I can't disagree with that. I just don't want to see him as manager. I don't think he did a great job with the Phils.

    santana should be a cy young-caliber pitcher for about three or four more years. what concerns me more is the transition to a big market. there's never a guarantee that a pitcher can come to new york and duplicate the success he had in minnesota. even for a pitcher as good as santana, it's still a risk that has to be factored in. new york is a completely different environment.

    regarding the bowa article, it sounds like cashman isn't looking to bring him back. that sucks...

    the yankees have three managerial candidates who are much more qualified than larry bowa right now. but i'm not gonna judge bowa based on what he did with the phillies. joe torre was a terrible manager before coming to the yankees. things change.
  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    Allie wrote:
    what do we all think of this rumour that Levine allegedly made the 'low' $ offer to Joe on purpose, knowing he would refuse it?

    the statements issued by levine and cashman sounded pre-written and rehearsed. based on that, i'd have to guess that they were anticipating torre's rejection. also, the email from yankees.com showed up suspiciously quickly (although i'm not sure if the front office actually runs the website).

    you can't offer a one-year deal to a manager. it isn't fair to anyone who puts on the uniform that year. torre said he would have accepted a two-year deal even with the pay cut. but randy levine clearly had no intention of negotiating.

    if they wanted him gone, all they had to do was hold a press conference to say that they were going in a new direction after twelve years. therefore, they wouldn't be offering him a new contract. then they could BS for a while about how much respect they had for torre, good luck in the future, etc... how hard would that have been???

    BTW, jeter released this statement today:

    “Out of my great respect for Mr. Torre, I have refrained from comment until he had a chance to address the public.

    “In my eyes, Joe Torre is more than a Hall of Fame manager. He is a friend for life, and the relationship we have shared has helped shape me in ways that transcend the game of baseball. His class, dignity, and the way he respected those around him – from ballplayers to batboys – are all qualities that are easy to admire, but difficult to duplicate.

    “I have known Mr. Torre for a good majority of my adult life, and there has been no bigger influence on my professional development. It was a privilege to play for him on the field, and an honor to learn from him off the field.”
  • Allie
    Allie Posts: 2,908
    BetterManningNYG wrote:
    the statements issued by levine and cashman sounded pre-written and rehearsed. based on that, i'd have to guess that they were anticipating torre's rejection. also, the email from yankees.com showed up suspiciously quickly (although i'm not sure if the front office actually runs the website).

    you can't offer a one-year deal to a manager. it isn't fair to anyone who puts on the uniform that year. torre said he would have accepted a two-year deal even with the pay cut. but randy levine clearly had no intention of negotiating.

    if they wanted him gone, all they had to do was hold a press conference to say that they were going in a new direction after twelve years. therefore, they wouldn't be offering him a new contract. then they could BS for a while about how much respect they had for torre, good luck in the future, etc... how hard would that have been???

    BTW, jeter released this statement today:

    “Out of my great respect for Mr. Torre, I have refrained from comment until he had a chance to address the public.

    “In my eyes, Joe Torre is more than a Hall of Fame manager. He is a friend for life, and the relationship we have shared has helped shape me in ways that transcend the game of baseball. His class, dignity, and the way he respected those around him – from ballplayers to batboys – are all qualities that are easy to admire, but difficult to duplicate.

    “I have known Mr. Torre for a good majority of my adult life, and there has been no bigger influence on my professional development. It was a privilege to play for him on the field, and an honor to learn from him off the field.”
    <sigh>
    I love Derek :)
    "...like a word misplaced, nothing said, what a waste.."
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    Jon Heyman of Sports Illustrated is reporting 2 very big things

    1. Joe Girardi will likely be announced as the new manager tomorrow

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/specials/playoffs/2007/10/28/yanks.giardi.offer/index.html

    2. Arod has already opted out of his contract

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/specials/playoffs/2007/10/28/rodriguez.contract/index.html

    ESPN is now reporting it. It's official. So long ARod, I guess you were full of shit when you said you really wanted to finish your career with the Yankees
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I was sort of rootin' for Mattingly as the next manager.
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    I wonder if the job potentially going to Girardi had anything to do with the opt out. They say Girardi is very Showalter like (Which is fine by me) and that ARod didn't like Buck. If the Girardi info is accurate, I really hope Mattingly stays on, but I could see why he would leave.
  • Allie
    Allie Posts: 2,908
    it's breaking news on nytimes.com

    he's such a liar, too

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBA-Yankees-Rodrigue.html?hp


    hallelujah, the jinx against the team is over! Praise the Lord!
    "...like a word misplaced, nothing said, what a waste.."
    "Sometimes life should be consumed in measured doses"
    6-01-06
    6/25/08
    Free Speedy
    and Metsy!
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    yes, the bullshit has begun to ooze from Alex, as it so often does:

    Boras said during a telephone interview Rodriguez made his choice because he was uncertain whether Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte would return to the Yankees.

    "Alex's decision was one based on not knowing what his closer, his catcher and one of his statured pitchers was going to do," Boras said. "He really didn't want to make any decisions until he knew what they were going."

    Uh, shithead, you had another 2 weeks to see what would happen with those 3. Noone's buying it. Go sign with another rangers type team, and languish in last place for a few years. This time, the Yankees will not rescue you from baseball purgatory
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    Must be nice to give up 72 MILLION $$$ like that. Just don't come the Red Sox way puleese.

    Peace
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    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    best news i've heard all day. :D
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    do the Yankees still get the draft picks that come with a player leaving via free agency?
  • Allie
    Allie Posts: 2,908
    oh wait the thing about Girardi-did you guys hear him at the beginning of the game last night, he said "former manager" when Jeanie Zelasko was introducing him and he said "and that's all I want to say right now.."

    hmm
    I hope he is the manager. They can't announce it till after the WS, right?
    "...like a word misplaced, nothing said, what a waste.."
    "Sometimes life should be consumed in measured doses"
    6-01-06
    6/25/08
    Free Speedy
    and Metsy!
  • BetterManningNYG
    BetterManningNYG Posts: 777
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    do the Yankees still get the draft picks that come with a player leaving via free agency?

    yes, if they offer him arbitration (which they will).
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    do the Yankees still get the draft picks that come with a player leaving via free agency?

    I'm going to say no because the Dodgers didn't get any compensation picks for Drew opting out last year to sign with the Red Sox.
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