2007 Yankees

NCBRI

Wow, Joe said no. I'm pretty dissapointed. In my span as a Yankee fan (beginning around 1980) he's the only manager who was a consistent winner in the Bronx. Gonna be weird not seeing him in the dugout. I'm a bit scared that his departure might not be the only one of that core group of winners. What do Posada, Pettitte, and Mo do now? By trying to pay cut Joe (and who knows if that weighed any on his decision or not) they just drove up the price for Jorge and Mo.

Guess we will sit and wait for the next shoe to drop.

Fighting Hellfish

NCBRI wrote:

Wow, Joe said no. I'm pretty dissapointed. In my span as a Yankee fan (beginning around 1980) he's the only manager who was a consistent winner in the Bronx. .

Don't forget about Buck Showalter. I would love to see him come back, though I know it won't happen. All of Torre's success was with Buck and Stick Micheal's team

JSBE

good for torre. why should he take a pay cut? the whole $1mil "bonus" per round is almost a slap in the face to him. he's managed the team to post-season after post-season regardless of winning the world series or not.

i am very interested to see what pettitte, rivera and posada do now that there is no more torre in the dugout. who knows what arod will do?

guidry will most likely be gone too.

from rotoworld:

In an apparent effort to prove they tried, the Yankees completely outlined their proposal to Torre in a press conference. They offered him a one-year, $5 million contract with a 2008 option that included $1 million bonuses for reaching each round of the postseason. It's simply a bizarre way to treat a four-time World Series-winning manager. At last check, spending $7 million per year on Torre wasn't stopping the Yankees from fielding a $200 million team and spending as much on international free agents as any team in baseball. If the Yankees were just looking for an excuse to move on -- and it seems obvious they were -- then they made themselves look bad in the process.

Fighting Hellfish

while I disagree with him (I think the offer to Torre was more than fair) this is another great article from Tom Verducci on the Torre non-deal

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/10/18/torre/index.html?eref=T1

xavier mcdaniel

while it's hard to say that a few million here and there is fair or unfair, the issue for torre is the whole respect issue. obviously he didn't feel it from the likes of randy levine and others. the offer would be fine if steinbrenner had not shot his mouth off.

Fighting Hellfish

yeah, as I said earlier, the prospects of Randy levine running the Yankees terrifies me. He got them the new stadium, his work is done. let him go work for Rudy again. That Verducci article is mainly about Levine

Allie

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

while it's hard to say that a few million here and there is fair or unfair, the issue for torre is the whole respect issue. obviously he didn't feel it from the likes of randy levine and others. the offer would be fine if steinbrenner had not shot his mouth off.

agreed
and why should anyone take a low ball offer to do the same job?

Fighting Hellfish

because you would still be the highest paid person with that job for one. Do well at that job (win one playoff round) and you would make double what anyone else doing that same job makes. It's not like they offered $35,000.

AllNiteThing

Torre was all class. He was a winner and the face of this organization. He represented the Yankees as well as anyone ever has. We've just witnessed the end of a great, great era and basically the ousting of one of the most ever revered members of the Yankees organization.

Some of you so-called fans make me uneasy how happy you are to see him go and how so fervently call for a change with him. His accomplishments and demeanor speak for themselves. He's a class guy. The same cannot be said for many Yankee fans.

A sad day.

AllNiteThing

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

because you would still be the highest paid person with that job for one. Do well at that job (win one playoff round) and you would make double what anyone else doing that same job makes. It's not like they offered $35,000.

It's the way they went about that's the problem. Lack of respect.

Gary Carter

AllNiteThing wrote:

It's the way they went about that's the problem. Lack of respect.

has the boss ever showed respect



torre will be on wfan with mike and the mad dog today at 4:30pm

josevolution

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

while it's hard to say that a few million here and there is fair or unfair, the issue for torre is the whole respect issue. obviously he didn't feel it from the likes of randy levine and others. the offer would be fine if steinbrenner had not shot his mouth off.

yes i agree and for people to think that it was so classy for george to state that torre will allways be a yankee to me is a joke after all he is the one that basically sealed torre's fate with the article about him being fired if they didn't advance in playoffs ...

harrymanback

In the world of professional sports, there is no rule that when your contract expires, your new deal should be of equal or greater value. Even so, like it or not, Joe Torre walked away from being the highest paid manager in baseball. Sure it was a pay cut, but other than successfully picking his nose, he did nothing from his last contract to warrant a raise. Yes he made the playoffs, but with a payroll over $200M and all stars all over the field, you are supposed to win, not get eliminated from the first round 4 years in a row.

See ya later Clueless Joe.

Allie

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

because you would still be the highest paid person with that job for one. Do well at that job (win one playoff round) and you would make double what anyone else doing that same job makes. It's not like they offered $35,000.

it's the principle, FH
if your business/job contract was being re-upped would you take less money?

plus the way George treated him, they'd have to offer him a raise to stay...

NCBRI

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

Don't forget about Buck Showalter. I would love to see him come back, though I know it won't happen. All of Torre's success was with Buck and Stick Micheal's team

Buck did get them to the playoffs once, but that isn't the same thing as what Joe did. It's funny you bring up Buck though. When they got rid of him and brought Joe in, I remember thinking here we go again. George gets rid of a good young manager and brings in some guy who has never been a winner as a manager before. I really liked Buck and thought it was a huge mistake. It turned out to be a great move.

I know what you mean about the players and farm system that Joe inherited, but I think that was more Stick than Buck. And Joe handled those players better than anyone. Nobody has shown they can manage in NY like Joe. Nobody will label him as one of the top strategists in the game, but he handles his players and runs a team better than anyone out there.


Any new managerial names surfaced? The only interviews I have heard so far are going to be Girardi, Mattingly, and Pena. Sounds like Bowa (who wasn't a consideration thankfully) is headed to the Mariners to be their 3B coach.

aNiMaL

MY GAWD I am tired of this thread. The Yankees sucked again this year. Wipe your tears away and pick this up again next spring. Nobody cares about Yankees baseball - they are not relevant.

Unless your team plays in Colorado or Boston, your baseball thread should be locked up for the off season.

Fighting Hellfish

NCBRI wrote:

Any new managerial names surfaced? The only interviews I have heard so far are going to be Girardi, Mattingly, and Pena. Sounds like Bowa (who wasn't a consideration thankfully) is headed to the Mariners to be their 3B coach.

While I don't want Bowa as the manager, he is a great 3B, coach, and the work he does with the infielders, as well as baserunning with the whole team, will be very, very hard to replace.

BetterManningNYG

aNiMaL wrote:

MY GAWD I am tired of this thread. The Yankees sucked again this year. Wipe your tears away and pick this up again next spring. Nobody cares about Yankees baseball - they are not relevant.

Unless your team plays in Colorado or Boston, your baseball thread should be locked up for the off season.

BUMP...

no one in this thread is crying except for you.

there's no rule that says you have to read every thread on this board. i'm sure you can find a better use for your time than to read the ones that don't interest you.

BetterManningNYG

NCBRI wrote:

Sounds like Bowa (who wasn't a consideration thankfully) is headed to the Mariners to be their 3B coach.

that sucks if it's true. i hope the yankees are able to bring him back (at 3B or maybe even as their bench coach if they decide to go with mattingly).

bowa is one of the best 3B coaches in baseball. the yankees made very few baserunning mistakes rounding third over the past two years. he's also a great mentor to a lot of the younger players. he's helped robbie cano tremendously.

another rumor i've been hearing is that hank and hal want to send ian kennedy, melky cabrera, and chien-ming wang to minnesota for a one-year rental on johan santana...

i miss steve swindal...

Fighting Hellfish

If Bowa was the Indians 3B coach, they just might playing Wednesday night.

Kennedy is the only player that I would not want to part with in that deal. Wang and Melky as part of a Johan deal, I'd be okay with. Obviously the Twins would need more than those 2. I'm sure if they do make a deal, it would be contingent on having a few days to work out an long term contract so they're not giving up 3 cheap players with great futures for a one year rental