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  • Posts: 6,388
    TheGossman wrote:
    I doubt anyone cares, but we are at 12,000 now
    just spew some anti PJ stuff...and people will react...increase count...it worked bird...so now be freakin positive.

    okay I have to do some work now...later...
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  • callen wrote:
    just spew some anti PJ stuff...and people will react...increase count...it worked bird...so now be freakin positive.

    okay I have to do some work now...later...
    I seriously doubt that is his reasoning. Seems top me Tybird is feeling the same way ALOT of us are. But because he has been so positive for so long, he is catching hell.
  • Posts: 17,388
    callen wrote:
    you can't help yourself.....also they haven't abused anyone..they've given me soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much beutiful music...added to my life...that I don't really care what they do...will appreciate all the feelings they've added to my life. Imagine if we never had PJ....
    Being ignored is just as hurtful. Yes, they have done all that you mentioned..but to ignore a fan-base and basically act like arrogant rock-star pricks about it makes me think that everything in that beautiful music was a lie.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Posts: 2,279
    tybird wrote:
    No, I really believe that some of the hate from the band is politically based.


    Hate? ... No!

    Perhaps ignorance... but anyone over 12 yrs old with an ounce of integrity would not fall prey to ignorant stereotypical bias. I give the PEOPLE who are pearl jam and the management more credit than that.

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • Posts: 17,388
    callen wrote:
    you are bitter.....to bad. Not what this is all about.
    Yes, I am bitter......I thought more of this band..I would have never thought that they could pull some of the shit that we have seen the past year.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Posts: 17,388
    SPALMA wrote:
    I give the PEOPLE who are pearl jam and the management more credit than that.
    Who ever has been running the show for the last year or so deserves no credit whatsoever. It has been a total clusterfuck.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Posts: 2,279
    tybird wrote:
    basically act like arrogant rock-star pricks

    :) Perhaps they feel they are entitled... many in their position do, unfortunately. Perhaps they just don't know what they have done and a little distance and time will bring it out. They haven't been paying attention.


    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • Posts: 1,120
    tybird wrote:
    Who ever has been running the show for the last year or so deserves no credit whatsoever. It has been a total clusterfuck.


    gotta agree with him there
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  • Posts: 2,279
    tybird wrote:
    Who ever has been running the show for the last year or so deserves no credit whatsoever. It has been a total clusterfuck.


    I couldn't agree with you more - I would fire them. But maybe the problem is that no one HAS been overseeing the entire tour. The big picture has been obscured by reacting to smaller/shorter term issues. Maybe they have all had inputs to little decisions which when strung together make shit. (isn't that the defintion of clusterfuck?)

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • Posts: 17,388
    SPALMA wrote:
    :) Perhaps they feel they are entitled... many in their position do, unfortunately. Perhaps they just don't know what they have done and a little distance and time will bring it out. They haven't been paying attention.


    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
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    ~Play the South~
    Well, they are killing a fan who purchased "Ten" after only hearing "Alive" one complete time on the MTV (Feb. 1992) and has been with them despite only two shows in his hometown since that time. A fan who flew to Halifax, Nova Scotia to enjoy seeing Pearl Jam in that fine city. A fan who has spent a lot of time and money on the band. All good things come to an end, I guess?
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Posts: 1,623
    SPALMA wrote:
    Hate? ... No!

    Perhaps ignorance... but anyone over 12 yrs old with an ounce of integrity would not fall prey to ignorant stereotypical bias. I give the PEOPLE who are pearl jam and the management more credit than that.

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~

    So do I. A lot of what has been said today is out of hurt and anger. But, I do agree with those who say that the lack of communication is the real kick in the face.

    That being said, maybe they don't KNOW when they'll be ready to tour. Let's face it, Stone and Mikey are going to be Dads for the first time. We don't know how long they held off going on the road when Ed became a Dad because it was all so fucking secretive.

    Once the babies are here and lives get settled, we'll probably know a little more.

    The major concern with this particular theory of mine is that they should have put Europe off and played the South. But we don't have any info to base anything on. It's all just opinions; no facts.

    I for one don't think PJ has anything specifically against the South. It may not be their favorite area to play or something, but I don't think they, as people, are capable of that kind of ignorance.....not and write and play the subject matter they cover.

    We're all pissed off - but I still support the band. They have a right to have families and live lives too. They're in their 40's for the most part now and have paid many dues.
    JMO
    ~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
    Mohandas K. Gandhi

    ~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
    Henry David Thoreau
  • Posts: 5,856
    I don't think politics had anything to do with it. I think it is the 'lose money' arguement, but I highly disagree with that argument as you can see from my previous posts.

    That being said, I don't really blame the band themselves for this. They want to take the rest of the year off and be with family and maybe do some studio work, more power to them. We all benefit in the long run from that. I blame whoever it was that released the dates last year for this entire situation.

    Two things would have solved this whole problem.

    1) Release all US dates at one time (as they did for every other tour except this one - that decision still bothers me). That way the South knows from the get-go that there will be no shows here at all and everyone plans accordingly, whether that plan involves getting pissed, staying home or traveling.

    2) Sprinkle 8 or 10 shows down this way in between Leg 1 and 2. There was plenty of time for that. And don't give me that 'too much distance between shows' argument either because have you seen Australia?

    That would have done it. And out of 80+ shows, if 2 or 3 don't see well in the south and money is lost, then big whoop. You had 80+ other shows to fall back on.

    But I do think it was a mis-calculated, mis-handled money decision, and not a political one. After all, other red states got shows, including Ohio, which held the election in their hands and was the deciding vote.
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  • Posts: 2,279
    tybird wrote:
    Well, they are killing a fan who purchased "Ten" after only hearing "Alive" one complete time on the MTV (Feb. 1992) and has been with them despite only two shows in his hometown since that time. A fan who flew to Halifax, Nova Scotia to enjoy seeing Pearl Jam in that fine city. A fan who has spent a lot of time and money on the band. All good things come to an end, I guess?


    Not all good things come to an end. They morph, adapt and change accordingly over time. That is the way with all types of relationships. It is just hard when it is all one sided. But that is when we have to let the intangible trust take over.

    (I miss your chant that we have all copied)

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • Posts: 1,623
    SPALMA wrote:
    Not all good things come to an end. They morph, adapt and change accordingly over time. That is the way with all types of relationships. It is just hard when it is all one sided. But that is when we have to let the intangible trust take over.

    (I miss your chant that we have all copied)

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~

    Actually, since we're all being pissy today, it was MY freaking chant.
    ~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
    Mohandas K. Gandhi

    ~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
    Henry David Thoreau
  • SPALMA wrote:
    It is just hard when it is all one sided.
    Exactly. That's why people are upset in the first place.
  • Union City, TN Posts: 4,155
    Flagg wrote:
    1) Release all US dates at one time (as they did for every other tour except this one - that decision still bothers me). That way the South knows from the get-go that there will be no shows here at all and everyone plans accordingly, whether that plan involves getting pissed, staying home or traveling.

    I think that would have resolved a large majority of the ill-will...at least from my prospective.

    PBM
    "We paced ourselves and we didn't rush through it and we tried to be as creative as our collective minds would let us be over some course of time instead of just trying to rush through a record"

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  • Posts: 2,279
    weenie wrote:
    So do I. A lot of what has been said today is out of hurt and anger. But, I do agree with those who say that the lack of communication is the real kick in the face.

    That being said, maybe they don't KNOW when they'll be ready to tour. Let's face it, Stone and Mikey are going to be Dads for the first time. We don't know how long they held off going on the road when Ed became a Dad because it was all so fucking secretive.

    Once the babies are here and lives get settled, we'll probably know a little more.

    The major concern with this particular theory of mine is that they should have put Europe off and played the South. But we don't have any info to base anything on. It's all just opinions; no facts.

    I for one don't think PJ has anything specifically against the South. It may not be their favorite area to play or something, but I don't think they, as people, are capable of that kind of ignorance.....not and write and play the subject matter they cover.

    We're all pissed off - but I still support the band. They have a right to have families and live lives too. They're in their 40's for the most part now and have paid many dues.
    JMO

    I couldn't agree with you more... ask PissBottleMan about his focus lately (PissBottleBaby). When real life hits you, all else fades. We probably just don't exist to them right now... they have their eyes, minds and hearts busy right now.

    My kids were babies in the late 80's and 90's and I saw/thought of not much else for about a decade. Thru all our problems and highs and lows the one thing that reached thru all the surrounding bullshit (that was growing) was the music of Pearl jam. It is about the only thing I remember from the early 90's (besides children, illness, panic, money, business, tears, etc). the music was faint at first, but has grown much more intense as I have become free-er.

    So, I can understand that these men need to shut down for a while. I just wish they had left their business decision making to more capable hands.

    So, hopefully they will hear our faint voices in the backgound of their lives and listen to us when they are ready.

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!
  • Posts: 17,388
    weenie wrote:
    it was MY freaking chant.
    Agreed......
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • Posts: 11,175
    since you are the only one on this thread who has seen JTR's "proof" that he has some connection to the band, the fact that you are taking his word to heart concerns me.

    is he truly legit, in your honest opinion?
  • Posts: 2,279
    weenie wrote:
    Actually, since we're all being pissy today, it was MY freaking chant.

    Awwww.. I'm sorry.... they YOU get credit... :) (but no royalties)

    the South abides
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    ~Play the South~
    "I don't want to hear any splatty tongues!"
    J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher

    I raise my Freak Flag High!!

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