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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    you shouldn't be happy in taking things away from ppl :(
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  • chiquimonkey
    chiquimonkey Posts: 9,337
    saveuplife wrote:
    This is exactly why this place p's me off so much. I just said it, yet I have to type it again lol.

    I never said "loving someone is a sin". For Christ's sake, where the hell did I say that? Re-read it.

    I said "acting on homosexuality" in my opinion is a sin. Re-read. ACTING ON. That means f_cking.

    Someone can be homosexual and not sin at all according to my definition. That said, it's hard not to sin for anyone. I sin just about every day myself by my own definition of sin.
    how can you be a homosexual, be in love with someone, and NOT want to express that through making love? what are you supposed to do, tons of hugging or something?

    the thing i never understood about the act being a sin, is that adultery, theft, murder....those are all sins that impact and hurt other people. who else is being harmed when two consentual adults (regardless of gender combo) are having sex?

    what does it matter to anybody else what two adults do, i guess that is the part that i can't get past.
  • _
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    meistereder wrote:
    You are too much, man. OK, fine. We have "power over the judicial branch."

    I guess we also have power over the president's dog, since the president will be adopting him or her. And we also have power over the president's barber, since we elected the president who hires him.

    I'd like to live in your world.

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  • mammasan
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    saveuplife wrote:
    OK spanky...

    Is an affair a sin, if both parties consent?

    An affair is a sin because you are actually breaking your vow to your partner. You promised your spouse in the presense of God to love, cherish, respect and be faithful to them. Having an affair is breaking that vow.

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  • _
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    saveuplife wrote:
    Does marriage require consent by "definition"? If not, maybe we'll have to re-think the wording.... or the definition. ;)

    Yes.
    saveuplife wrote:
    Why's it up for debate? I would argue that the man and women component are the characterisitcs of the relationship we call marriage.

    There is a difference between objects and relationships between objects. That's just basic grammar.
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    I never understood how sin (a religious concept) ever was involved in deciding legal rights....
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  • meistereder
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    I'm definitely no expert in religion, but as far as I know, adultery (gay or straight) is a sin. And adultery includes sex out of wedlock.

    So by passing Prop 8, we just increased the number of innocent adulterers who'd actually rather not be adulterers at all. Where is the compassion or logic in that? Unless of course you subscribe to the theory that you can "cure" homosexual people.
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  • meistereder
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    chromiam wrote:
    I never understood how sin (a religious concept) ever was involved in deciding legal rights....

    Your question illustrates that there are two different types of people. 1. People like you and me who believe the constitution makes sense and should be applied. 2. People who believe that religion should supercede the laws of our country.
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  • _
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    saveuplife wrote:
    No, it's not ridiculous at all. First, the point in raising these examples was to point out that there's a historical definition.... a union between a man and a woman.

    Historically, marriage was between a man and a woman of the same race and class. We've already established that people don't have to be of the same race and class to be married, correct?

    You haven't addressed why gender should be any different.
    saveuplife wrote:
    But, the point I am explaining is that both political parties are for offering the same exact benefits via the Civil Union as they would via a marriage.

    I don't get why you keep saying this when you know people in civil unions do not have the same benefits as people in marriages. Please address this as well.
  • saveuplife
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    mammasan wrote:
    An affair is a sin because you are actually breaking your vow to your partner. You promised your spouse in the presense of God to love, cherish, respect and be faithful to them. Having an affair is breaking that vow. .

    You asked how two consenting adults engaging in sex was a sin and you just answered your own question... congrats.
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    Spanky was the name of my dog and he died last month. Thanks for rehashing the pain.

    Dumb name for a dog. ;)
  • chromiam
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    meistereder wrote:
    Your question illustrates that there are two different types of people. 1. People like you and me who believe the constitution makes sense and should be applied. 2. People who believe that religion should supercede the laws of our country.

    Agreed.. I mean religion is a nice addition to laws and rights but laws shouldn't be solely based on and dictated by (basically one set) of religious beliefs.
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  • _
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    saveuplife wrote:
    My, and I believe the majority of Americans, sole concern with allowing gays to "MARRY" is the term marriage..... I simply believe that the term marriage has religious conotations and moral implications.

    Sure, maybe it does. But how is it the role of the government to involve itself with religious conotations and moral implications??

    It's not.

    As long as no one's rights are being denied, religious issues belong within the realm of the church - not the state.
  • saveuplife
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    OK.... all... I've answered about 20-30 posts. I'm tired of repeating the same things so I'm done. Enjoy debating this issue with people who agree with your take.

    Signing off...

    saveup.
  • meistereder
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    saveuplife wrote:
    OK.... all... I've answered about 20-30 posts. I'm tired of repeating the same things so I'm done. Enjoy debating this issue with people who agree with your take.

    Signing off...

    saveup.


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  • _
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    saveuplife wrote:
    OK.... all... I've answered about 20-30 posts. I'm tired of repeating the same things so I'm done. Enjoy debating this issue with people who agree with your take.

    Signing off...

    saveup.

    Haha. Well that's convinient considering that you didn't answer any of my questions. :p
  • chiquimonkey
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    scb wrote:
    Haha. Well that's convinient considering that you didn't answer any of my questions. :p
    or mine.

    :p
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    saveuplife wrote:
    You asked how two consenting adults engaging in sex was a sin and you just answered your own question... congrats.



    Dumb name for a dog. ;)

    How did I answer my own question. What vow have you broken if you have sex with your same sex partner.

    And my dog was the fucking coolest.
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  • catefrances
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    saveuplife wrote:
    Why's it up for debate? I would argue that the man and women component are the characterisitcs of the relationship we call marriage.


    and i would agree with you. however it is an outdated characteristic and should be re-addressed to include all those who have been discriminated against because they are homosexual. love can not and should never be legislated. i cant for the life of me figure out why homosexuality is so abhorrant to some people. who i choose to love and have sex with is of no concern to anybody but me and the person im fucking. now please dont come in and bring up ridiculous examples of abberant behaviour which we would all agree are just not acceptable. oh and can somebody please explain to me how sex is a sin?
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  • BlackCorduroy
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    The most frustrating part of this issue is discovering that no matter how well we prove our point or how ridiculous we make the intolerant people opposing gay marriage look...they will not change their minds. Of course we should still fight for equal rights, but I feel like there's nothing we can do to change these people.. just hope that as the younger generations get older, they will have more tolerance. (which is likely, in my opinion)
  • polaris
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    BlackCorduroy wrote:
    The most frustrating part of this issue is discovering that no matter how well we prove our point or how ridiculous we make the intolerant people opposing gay marriage look...they will not change their minds. Of course we should still fight for equal rights, but I feel like there's nothing we can do to change these people.. just hope that as the younger generations get older, they will have more tolerance. (which is likely, in my opinion)

    fret not! ... the main guy on here thinks sarah palin is qualified to lead the country ... sooooo ... :p

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