So much for free speech, thanks Barry

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edited October 2008 in A Moving Train
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  • Ok, putting aside the stupid free speech comment, I agree that it was a stupid thing to do.

    While I understand the New York Post not being on there because it's basically a tabloid, I don't get the Dallas Morning News or the Washington Times (besides the fact that they are conservative papers).

    Either way, not a good decision by the campaign, if nothing else just because of appearance.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Oh, please. He didn't censor or silence their speech. He just said he wasn't going to give them a ride.
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    From the DMN..

    The Dallas Morning News and the Obama campaign
    9:29 AM Fri, Oct 31, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
    Ryan J. Rusak E-mail News tips

    By now you may have seen the Drudge Report item indicating that the DMN and two other papers who endorsed John McCain are being booted off the Obama campaign. Here are the facts as we know them.

    It's true that our reporter, Todd J. Gillman, has been told that there's no space for him after Saturday. Obama aides told the DMN last Saturday that the paper would lose its seat on the plane on Wednesday. Within a few hours, that moved to Friday. And by midweek, traveling press secretary Jen Psaki had told us that Saturday night's final flight would be the last leg available. We protested then and continue to do so now, arguing that a paper of the DMN's size and stature should be on-board.

    But we don't have evidence that the newspaper's endorsement of Sen. McCain had any bearing on the campaign's decision to boot us from the plane. No one from the campaign ever mentioned it to Todd. (And for the record, he as a reporter, and I as the editor in charge of political coverage, had absolutely no input or knowledge of the endorsement. That's handled by a different department on a different floor. I didn't even know about the editorial board's choice until I read it in the paper a couple of Sundays ago.)

    We think the Obama campaign's decision is to some degree more a function of limited seats, and while we're a large regional newspaper, we're not national and we're not in a swing state. We've been on the road with them at key moments, but we've not been along for the entire ride, like, say, The New York Times and The Associated Press.

    For what it's worth, we've had the same trouble with the McCain campaign. One of our reporters dropped off earlier this week when space became an issue, and we're only getting back on with McCain tomorrow for the final weekend because they, unlike the Obama campaign, are adding a second plane.

    That said, we've protested loudly and frequently with the Obama campaign. While we understand their decision, TDMN is one of the biggest papers in the South and Southwest, and over the years and in this campaign, we've demonstrated a strong commitment to campaign coverage. We believe very passionately in covering campaigns completely and aggressively, in being our readers' eyes and ears on the scene as much as possible. We let the campaign know in early October that we wanted to travel along for the duration of the campaign. We still hope they change their minds.

    Plus, we're the only Southern or Southwestern paper that's been on board constantly through October, and if we get booted, there won't be any outside of New York, LA, Chicago, Washington and Boston.

    The real problem is that the campaign does not want to add a second plane. Here's how this works: The campaign makes travel arrangements and bills journalists for the costs. Your share of the cost is based on the total cost being divvyed up among the number of journalists traveling. So if there's too many journalists for one plane but not quite enough for two, someone's not going to make the cut.

    And it does seem true that the campaign is allowing for more friendly media. But that should come as no surprise - Sen. Obama hasn't done a press conference in more than a month, but he's given "exclusive" interviews to Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow and Mario Lopez. (Don't know this media titan? He's the host of "Extra," an entertainment news show, and a former star of "Saved By The Bell.") This should tell you something - Sen. Obama is sitting on a lead and doesn't want to risk aggressive questions by unbiased political reporters.

    But for many readers, a lot of this is inside baseball. Here's what you need to know - over the next five days, The Dallas Morning News will bring you complete coverage of the campaign. Todd is a dedicated guy who can function pretty well on little sleep and a whiz at travel arrangements, so he'll hopscotch along behind the campaign if that's what it takes. But no matter what, we'll have robust news and analysis of the final stretch of this historic campaign.
  • SpeakersSpeakers Posts: 252
    Uhh...there are other papers on Obama's plane that have endorsed McCain but still get rides. This is another example of stupid fear-mongering by McCain's supporters. McCain did the same to a NYtimes reporter and a Time reporter.

    Non-issue...yawn, move on.
  • I don't get it. This is OBAMA'S PLANE. He can have whoever he wants on it. Same with McCain. This is a another Non-Story.

    However, I thought the effigy of Obama and Palin IS a story. The person who put an effigy of Palin did not get arrested. The people who did the Obama effigy did. (Not sure if it was the same state)
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    more distractions and silliness from Obama haters ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8o
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    jimed14 wrote:
    more distractions and silliness from Obama haters ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8o

    Man yesterday I was searching like hell for that video and I believe it's spot on. My mother this morning said when she went to vote early in MD at 8am spent 2 and half hours in line before she was able to vote. She said she's never seen that many waiting to vote and this is early voting.

    I can just imagine what next Tuesday will be like???

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  • g under p wrote:
    Man yesterday I was searching like hell for that video and I believe it's spot on. My mother this morning said when she went to vote early in MD at 8am spent 2 and half hours in line before she was able to vote. She said she's never seen that many waiting to vote and this is early voting.

    I can just imagine what next Tuesday will be like???

    Peace

    Probably no wait lines.... Everyone voted early... That's just my guess...
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    jbalicki10 wrote:
    Probably no wait lines.... Everyone voted early... That's just my guess...

    only 33% or so have voted early (well, I think that's 33% of registered voters) ... meaning, there are 2/3 of potential voters still to vote ...

    get there early folks. I got a feeling the after work voters on Tuesday are in for a LONG night.
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • jimed14 wrote:
    only 33% or so have voted early (well, I think that's 33% of registered voters) ... meaning, there are 2/3 of potential voters still to vote ...

    get there early folks. I got a feeling the after work voters on Tuesday are in for a LONG night.

    If that's true, states will lengthen voting hours then. We won't know who the next president is till the next day or longer.
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    jbalicki10 wrote:
    If that's true, states will lengthen voting hours then. We won't know who the next president is till the next day or longer.

    well, the law states anyone in line when the polls "close" has the legal right to vote, no matter how late it takes them to vote.
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,209
    .....Or like Michael Moore said why don't we vote on the weekend that might solve some of the stress of after work voters.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under p wrote:
    .....Or like Michael Moore said why don't we vote on the weekend that might solve some of the stress of after work voters.

    Peace

    I though that is why there is early voting this year? I thought it was pretty crappy in illinois of how they did this. The hours were between 9am to 4pm on week days. Most people work during these hours. Luckily they did have a saturday day too.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,616
    Certainly not a freedom of speech issue...

    That being said, if it was McCain doing this, people here would be jumping over each other to suggest McCain is stiffling free speech.
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  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    Certainly not a freedom of speech issue...

    That being said, if it was McCain doing this, people here would be jumping over each other to suggest McCain is stiffling free speech.

    if you read the posts, McCain has gone thorugh some steps to restrict access to certain publications ... and no one has accused him of anything.

    He doesn't grant interviews to NBC ... is that stifling free speech? No.
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    That being said, if it was McCain doing this, people here would be jumping over each other to suggest McCain is stiffling free speech.

    McCain has been doing this for months. Guess you are wrong.
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    nbc is an absolute fraud. 78% negative pieces against mccain, compared to 15-is% negative pieces on Obama, according to a study by the institue for excellence in journalism.

    I can't even watch that garbage channel anymore, ever sice I caught Matthews, Olberman, and Maddow lying to us square in the face.

    No conservative is gonna watch NBC, that's why he doesn't even bother.

    And the three reporters kicked off the plane work for papers that endorse McCain. plain and simple. all three. all for McCain.
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    prytoj wrote:
    nbc is an absolute fraud. 78% negative pieces against mccain, compared to 15-is% negative pieces on Obama, according to a study by the institue for excellence in journalism.

    I can't even watch that garbage channel anymore, ever sice I caught Matthews, Olberman, and Maddow lying to us square in the face.

    No conservative is gonna watch NBC, that's why he doesn't even bother.

    And the three reporters kicked off the plane work for papers that endorse McCain. plain and simple. all three. all for McCain.

    you know ... they only report negative pieces becuase his policies are flawwed ...

    and they only air negative pieces on Palin becuase she's a fucking moron ...

    that's not negative, that's the truth. ;)
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    jimed14 wrote:
    you know ... they only report negative pieces becuase his policies are flawwed ...

    and they only air negative pieces on Palin becuase she's a fucking moron ...

    that's not negative, that's the truth. ;)

    then what is Obama? Eagleburger just crushed him on Fox, can't wait to post.

    Do we really need a rundown on all the negative stuff about Obama, that is factual? Not just "moron"?

    And if she's a "fucking moron", then what are you?
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    prytoj wrote:
    then what is Obama? Eagleburger just crushed him on Fox, can't wait to post.

    Do we really need a rundown on all the negative stuff about Obama, that is factual? Not just "moron"?

    And if she's a "fucking moron", then what are you?

    you mean the same Eagleburger that said Palin is not qualified to be president!

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/31/eagleburger_palin_not_ready_to.html

    When host Neal Conan asked Eagleburger if he was "entirely comfortable" with the selection of the Alaska governor as the GOP vice presidential candidate and whether she was prepared to be president if McCain died in office, Eagleburger responded candidly, saying she was not qualified but perhaps would be "adequate."

    "It is a very good question," he said. He paused, and then added: "I'm being facetious here. Look, I don't think -- of course not."

    "I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reins of the presidency.''


    HA HA HA! AHHH HA HA HA!!!!
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    I'll post the whole thing, not just some mix tape supporting my argument.
    classic lib spin
  • digsterdigster Posts: 1,293
    It seems like clockwork; every time there's a negative headline story about Obama on Drudge Report (which is practically all the time) there's sure to be a post about it on the Moving Train five minutes later. Must have some fans here.
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    prytoj wrote:
    I'll post the whole thing, not just some mix tape supporting my argument.
    classic lib spin


    you mean like that youtube rap poet type guy you posted earlier ...

    your arguments are weak.
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    weak is getting off topic to avoid the truth
    kinda like jimjed.
    next....
  • jimed14jimed14 Posts: 9,488
    prytoj wrote:
    weak is getting off topic to avoid the truth
    kinda like jimjed.
    next....

    you got nothin' .... meanwhile, I got Eagleburger's words ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYmABim_loo
    "You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91

    "I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
  • prytojprytoj Posts: 536
    not up yet, i'll post tomorrow AM
    it's awesome, a beautiful dressing down of the Obama

    ANd your video is in the context of foreign policy, a point which is carefully glossed over in this and any other lib video on the subject.

    It's comin', and it's awesome

    next...
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    McCain isn't 'my boy'.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    unsung wrote:
    McCain isn't 'my boy'.

    Ok, fair enough. How about "your grandpa" ? It's pretty obvious you're a fake Ron Paul supporter and a closeted McCain fan.
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