Should Churches pay Taxes?

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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    farfromglorified wrote:
    No. Religions must be left alone to the same extent you expect to be left alone.



    No. Black men and Iraqis are all different, much like churchgoers and church staffers.



    An individual can only defend something that is theirs. Anything else is not "defense", it is offense.



    Not particularly.


    read what you wrote here...and than read the title of the post :)


    i agree they should be taxed heavily also!
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    know1 wrote:
    What world do you live in? You think I can walk into any non-profit and get their services?


    read what I wrote again. "most other non-profits are open to anyone that *NEEDS* their services" they not going to help someone that isn't truely in need of their services.

    for instance if you walked into a non-profit hiv/aids clinic and you don't have or hiv or aids and your seeking treatment for an earache then yes they can turn you away. or if you're a millionaire with all kinds of disposable income and you walked into a soup kitchen looking for a free meal, they could turn you away. if only because their limited resources must be given to those that really NEED them
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    macgyver06 wrote:
    read what you wrote here...and than read the title of the post :)


    i agree they should be taxed heavily also!

    Do you also believe you, as a "motherfucker" should be "rounded up" and "crippled"?
  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    mca47 wrote:
    I guess I should have clarified my comment.
    Churches don't cut a check to the political candidate or party. That doesn't happen. They do have influence over their congregation and those members can donate as much as they want.

    people who go to church will go to a church that relates to their beliefs. therefore you can say that teh church is not influence them as much as having the same beliefs.

    no one goes to a church that does not speck to them abotu what they already believe.
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Do you also believe you, as a "motherfucker" should be "rounded up" and "crippled"?

    no. im not in an organization that promotes separation of people and blind ignorance to my surroundings.. i promote acceptance, and if you or anyone else is religious...well i dare you to read the books of all religions and tell me you wont be a little more accepting..and this goes for anyone.

    im giving ideas on how to tax them and why to to tax them...you arent giving anything here. i never said round up church goers.. i said round up religious leaders and the countries leaders who for most part are acting as their countries religious leaders every time they use religion in their words to justify descisions to kill.

    this is the truth sir. look around you and read some papers and watch some of these speeches.
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    prism wrote:
    read what I wrote again. "most other non-profits are open to anyone that *NEEDS* their services" they not going to help someone that isn't truely in need of their services.

    for instance if you walked into a non-profit hiv/aids clinic and you don't have or hiv or aids and your seeking treatment for an earache then yes they can turn you away. or if you're a millionaire with all kinds of disposable income and you walked into a soup kitchen looking for a free meal, they could turn you away. if only because their limited resources must be given to those that really NEED them
    Most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men. Rape relief centres will turn away men and most won't let men volunteer. The food shelter won't give me filet mignon and have a hard time meeting a vegan's needs.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    There are plenty of non profits who cater to specific "clients" and who do not allow others to participate in what they offer. Plus, when you "join" a church, you are chosing to follow their ideology. If you cannot or do not want to, then find another church. It's really quite simple.


    yes they cater to specific clients based upon if that person is in NEED of the services that they offer. that is something that must be done went trying to help as many people that really need it, when working with limited resources.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    mca47 wrote:
    I guess I should have clarified my comment.
    Churches don't cut a check to the political candidate or party. That doesn't happen. They do have influence over their congregation and those members can donate as much as they want.
    Greenpeace has a lot of political clout as do thousands of not for profit organizations who have the luxury of tax exempt status. Do you propose to treat these other organizations the same and take away their right to participate in the democratic process or lose their tax exempt status?
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    surferdude wrote:
    Most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men. Rape relief centres will turn away men and most won't let men volunteer. The food shelter won't give me filet mignon and have a hard time meeting a vegan's needs.

    the first 2 lines you wrote are so true and make good points however that last line might be one of the dumbest things that i have ever heard.

    i want to first say that it i strue that most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men and that is stupid. i know many gay men who are in abusive relationships and there is hardly anyplace that they can go. teh saddest part is that assult in a gay relationship is not ever considered abuse.

    the reason that rape centres will turn away men from volunteering i sthat most people that are raped are women by men. how confortable would you be if you were a women who was just raped talking to a man.

    finally, most foods banks and drop in lunch programs are available becuase the food is donated. the staff can only do what they have.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Thecure wrote:
    the first 2 lines you wrote are so true and make good points however that last line might be one of the dumbest things that i have ever heard.

    i want to first say that it i strue that most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men and that is stupid. i know many gay men who are in abusive relationships and there is hardly anyplace that they can go. teh saddest part is that assult in a gay relationship is not ever considered abuse.

    the reason that rape centres will turn away men from volunteering i sthat most people that are raped are women by men. how confortable would you be if you were a women who was just raped talking to a man.

    finally, most foods banks and drop in lunch programs are available becuase the food is donated. the staff can only do what they have.
    The food shelter comment about filet mignon was stupid but not the vegan. If you don't expect a food shelter to accomodate everyones beliefs when providing services you should not hold churches to a different standard.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    surferdude wrote:
    Most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men. Rape relief centres will turn away men and most won't let men volunteer. The food shelter won't give me filet mignon and have a hard time meeting a vegan's needs.

    having volunteered in a domestic abuse shelter they will tell men where they can go to seek safety even if that particular shelter can not take in men. they also do this to women when the local shelter is full. where I vounteered men couldn't work directly inside of the shelter with the abused women (oh jeez, i wonder why? :rolleyes: ) but they could voluteer with the shelter and their clients in other areas such as transportation, helping them find permanant housing or other outside services etc.

    no one needs filet mignon. and that would be a waste of their limited resources. and since food banks rarely if ever give out meat or anything with animal products vegans shouldn't have much of a problem getting food if they need it
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    prism wrote:
    having volunteered in a domestic abuse shelter they will tell men where they can go to seek safety even if that particular shelter can not take in men.
    This type of response is not acceptable when coming from your pharmacist when asking for a morning after pill to be dispensed and shouldn't be acceptable when coming from a domestic abuse shelter. Nearly all domestic abuse shelters receive federal funding and as such should have to comply with all anti-discrimination legislation and open to all who require the services.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    surferdude wrote:
    This type of response is not acceptable when coming from your pharmacist when asking for a morning after pill to be dispensed and shouldn't be acceptable when coming from a domestic abuse shelter. Nearly all domestic abuse shelters receive federal funding and as such should have to comply with all anti-discrimination legislation and open to all who require the services.

    so telling these men exactly where they can go to receive services isn't enough? they should be allowed in with women and kids. the d.v. shelters in most communities will even have the intake person take the man to a shelter that DOES cater to men even if that means having to travel a distance. and if there's not any room in the shelter that they're taken to they will be given a hotel voucher for a place where they're not likely to be found.

    how is it that if a women is homeless that shelters that only cater to men can turn her away?

    do you not see that each and every shelter cannot possibly be helpful if they don't follow some guidlines to be able to help those most in need of the services that they provide?
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    surferdude wrote:
    This type of response is not acceptable when coming from your pharmacist when asking for a morning after pill to be dispensed and shouldn't be acceptable when coming from a domestic abuse shelter. Nearly all domestic abuse shelters receive federal funding and as such should have to comply with all anti-discrimination legislation and open to all who require the services.

    oh and your pharmacist does not have to dispense the morning after pill to anyone that seeks it. however they do have to tell you where you can go to get it.
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  • Thecure
    Thecure Posts: 814
    surferdude wrote:
    The food shelter comment about filet mignon was stupid but not the vegan. If you don't expect a food shelter to accomodate everyones beliefs when providing services you should not hold churches to a different standard.

    sorry but i don't understand what you mean here. i am holding everyone to the same standard. i can understand why a catholic church will not start talking about god as an evil person so that the people who think that would be ok in the church.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    I would think there would be a difference in a NPF's stated primary mission to a church's stated primary mission ("saving souls" perhaps?)... I wonder why that distinction would be or is blurred in our laws. Indeed churches do a lot of community outreach, however, there's a big door left open within the large evanglical circles, and the laxness in which a preacher can contribute to himself.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    macgyver06 wrote:
    no. im not in an organization that promotes separation of people and blind ignorance to my surroundings..

    Perhaps not. Keep in mind, however, that no religious person would suggest that they are "in an organization that promotes separation of people and blind ignorance to their surroundings".
    i promote acceptance

    Not really. What you promote is a one-way acceptance of some by others and, in the process, an intolerance of those others. This is no different than the "acceptance" of most religions. It is simply intolerance in sheep's clothing. There is much anger and hate in your posts in this thread. Neither is the path to acceptance.
    and if you or anyone else is religious...well i dare you to read the books of all religions and tell me you wont be a little more accepting..and this goes for anyone.

    Definitely a fair point.
    im giving ideas on how to tax them and why to to tax them...you arent giving anything here.

    Hehe...you are giving ideas on those things. These ideas appear to be hypocritical and violent, in my opinion.

    I'm giving you ideas about why you should leave them alone. If you wish to levy taxes on churches and you're willing to pay equal taxes yourself, then you're being logically consistent. However, if you're looking to use taxation as a means to "cripple" or "destroy" these groups and the people associated with them and would never tolerate a similar destruction or crippling of yourself, then you are nothing more than a violent and intolerant individual.
    i never said round up church goers.. i said round up religious leaders and the countries leaders who for most part are acting as their countries religious leaders every time they use religion in their words to justify descisions to kill.

    You identified religion as a source of warmaking and suggested that we "round these motherfuckers up". That implies religious people as subjects of your cattle drive.

    Rather than worrying about religious and governmental leaders, you should try worrying about the conditions and mindsets that lend individuals into signing up with these groups. A thinking population has no interest in the business of faith and the faulty logic that comes with it. Take solace in the fact that the world is headed in a direction away from these ideologies, albeit slowly. You will be best served by not contributing, as opposed to adopting their methods.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    gue_barium wrote:
    I would think there would be a difference in a NPF's stated primary mission to a church's stated primary mission ("saving souls" perhaps?)... I wonder why that distinction would be or is blurred in our laws. Indeed churches do a lot of community outreach, however, there's a big door left open within the large evanglical circles, and the laxness in which a preacher can contribute to himself.
    'NFP' not NPF.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    gue_barium wrote:
    'NFP' not NPF.


    hehe! :D Taxes for you! :p
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    macgyver06 wrote:
    again i question your motivation here. you are getting off topic and making half assed comparisons.

    if the black guy was a pawn by the organization of black men than yes the black men should be sanctioned.. BUT THATS NOT REALITY MAN!!! AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS LIKE US ALL

    try and stay in real time could you??

    also i get a sense youa re tyrying to discredit me for some reason as you are acting like you are so advanced in thought that my posts are a waste of time.. if you cant make intelligent responses...why waste your own time


    example.... ''sigh''
    ????????? wow
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