and once again..a good argument on here has resulted to posts that contain no facts, just personal attacks and unthoughtful opinions in attempt to do what? you say my hypocrisy but ive read my posts and see no twists and no swayiong of opinion... so i can only assume your reason for these position is to argue aimlessly without a goal...how can you continue to learn of new ideas and facts and new ways and new sides of something if you don't read?
I am not a church-goer, but I think for the most part they are pretty much non-profit chairty like any other and should be treated as such. Now I do think there should be some sort of scrutinity to make sure that the head of a church is not stealing non-taxed company money so that he can have a mansion in Malibu. But that should be no different than making sure the CEO of a hugh company isn't using company funds for his own personal gain and not calling it personal income.
what are you talking about... having churches pay taxes and sanctioning them to the point where they are crippled is not proposing war.. any religion who cannot live amongst other religions peacefully is a bully.. this is nothing more than glorified gangs.. any actions of agression towards another religion for spirtual reasons (which has been going on forever) will be dealt with towards the religion as a whole.. if you as an individual feel the nescessity in 2007 to place your personal beliefs in a pool with millions of other individuals who digest everything they are told than your church will be the victim not you as an individual... no one can tax your brain...and no one is proposing that.
I am not a church-goer, but I think for the most part they are pretty much non-profit chairty like any other and should be treated as such. Now I do think there should be some sort of scrutinity to make sure that the head of a church is not stealing non-taxed company money so that he can have a mansion in Malibu. But that should be no different than making sure the CEO of a hugh company isn't using company funds for his own personal gain and not calling it personal income.
exactly! majority of churches i bet you will find are well behaved.
what do you mean? what would they be fighting this time?
I could be mistaken but I took "i do not tolerate war and killing.
so yes.. maybe its time we got these religions together and sat them down... and told them no more." to mean you want no more religion. This is what people would be fighting against. And since you don't believe in war I can only suppose you'd follow through on your beliefs and turn the other cheek and submit.
If you mean no more religious wars I'm not sure what you mean by this. WWI was not a religious war. WWII was not a religious war. Vietnam and Korean Wars were not religious wars. Are these wars okay? Do these wars merit differrent treatment than a so called religious war? Are the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan religious wars? Was Clinton's bombing of Kosovo a religious war? If so what religion was he warring for?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
what are you talking about... having churches pay taxes and sanctioning them to the point where they are crippled is not proposing war..
Hehe...it's certainly not proposing a fair war. But it is war, nonetheless.
any religion who cannot live amongst other religions peacefully is a bully.. this is nothing more than glorified gangs.. any actions of agression towards another religion for spirtual reasons (which has been going on forever) will be dealt with towards the religion as a whole..
Wow. How would you feel if I got carjacked by a black guy and proposed that it should "be dealt with towards the race as a whole"? How would you feel if an Iraqi came to Orlando and shot you in the face in response to the United States' war against Iraq? Are those actions cool with you?
if you as an individual feel the nescessity in 2007 to place your personal beliefs in a pool with millions of other individuals who digest everything they are told than your church will be the victim not you as an individual... no one can tax your brain...and no one is proposing that.
I could be mistaken but I took "i do not tolerate war and killing.
so yes.. maybe its time we got these religions together and sat them down... and told them no more." to mean you want no more religion. This is what people would be fighting against. And since you don't believe in war I can only suppose you'd follow through on your beliefs and turn the other cheek and submit.
If you mean no more religious wars I'm not sure what you mean by this. WWI was not a religious war. WWII was not a religious war. Vietnam and Korean Wars were not religious wars. Are these wars okay? Do these wars merit differrent treatment than a so called religious war? Are the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan religious wars? Was Clinton's bombing of Kosovo a religious war? If so what religion was he warring for?
im in no way against the beliefs of the individual... you are also right about the wars you mentioned...maybe to an individual fighting in the war could it have been about religion to them...but in the grand scheme those wars werent based on religion... but they were based on principles of a mass belief... whether its communism or capitalism.. I think its the agressor, the instigator that is slipping through history and being unnoticed and im not against religions like i wouldnt have been against the nazi party taking over in germany.. but as soon as the killing starts...thats what im against and why i would have been against them..just like i think you can say...hey its not the people who go to churchs fault that there is a consensus amongst christians that muslims want to rid the planet of non muslims or the consensus that we must kill americans for allah.. im saying the wrong people are being put at fault to protect the real, bigger problem and thats the organized crime of all
religions on a large scale...
as if to say...the people, the peaceful are victims of cult thinking.
Hehe...it's certainly not proposing a fair war. But it is war, nonetheless.
Wow. How would you feel if I got carjacked by a black guy and proposed that it should "be dealt with towards the race as a whole"? How would you feel if an Iraqi came to Orlando and shot you in the face in response to the United States' war against Iraq? Are those actions cool with you?
Sigh....
again i question your motivation here. you are getting off topic and making half assed comparisons.
if the black guy was a pawn by the organization of black men than yes the black men should be sanctioned.. BUT THATS NOT REALITY MAN!!! AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS LIKE US ALL
try and stay in real time could you??
also i get a sense youa re tyrying to discredit me for some reason as you are acting like you are so advanced in thought that my posts are a waste of time.. if you cant make intelligent responses...why waste your own time
again i question your motivation here. you are getting off topic and making half assed comparisons.
Making a statement is not questioning my motivation. My motivation is simply to find out how "tolerant" and "peaceful" you actually are.
if the black guy was a pawn by the organization of black men than yes the black men should be sanctioned.. BUT THATS NOT REALITY MAN!!! AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS LIKE US ALL
So are church goers, priests, and all the "motherfuckers" you wish to "round up".
also i get a sense youa re tyrying to discredit me for some reason as you are acting like you are so advanced in thought that my posts are a waste of time.. if you cant make intelligent responses...why waste your own time
I am trying to discredit you. People who preach anger, hate, and intolerance in the name of "tolerance" and "acceptance" and "love" are no better than the fanatics that came before them, and I have no more interest in seeing you sway others in the same way of those who came before you.
example.... ''sigh''
I'll happily expound, then.
You criticize those if who "as an individual feel the nescessity in 2007 to place your personal beliefs in a pool with millions of other individuals who digest everything they are told". Yet I've seen little sign that you're any different. You're simply spewing a lot of the anti-religious junk that so many others do and proposing a series of contradictory responses that align themselves with the very things you pretend to be railing against. Furthermore, you suggest that individuals will not be "victimized", that only "churches" will. Well, what qualifies as a "church"? Are you going to tax buildings? Are you going to "cripple" steeples? Finally, you seem to try to comfort me or your readers by saying "no one can tax your brain...and no one is proposing that." Yet all this time you're suggesting that such brains have been compromised by religion, which implies that they could also be compromised by you. This, when combined with your statements about "crippling" things, makes me think you simply wish to indoctrinate the religious into your own contradictory belief systems.
So, let me make a proposal to you: why don't you leave them alone? Why don't you defend the things you do have a right to defend from them: your mind and your property, and leave it at that?
Making a statement is not questioning my motivation. My motivation is simply to find out how "tolerant" and "peaceful" you actually are.
So are church goers, priests, and all the "motherfuckers" you wish to "round up".
I am trying to discredit you. People who preach anger, hate, and intolerance in the name of "tolerance" and "acceptance" and "love" are no better than the fanatics that came before them, and I have no more interest in seeing you sway others in the same way of those who came before you.
I'll happily expound, then.
You criticize those if who "as an individual feel the nescessity in 2007 to place your personal beliefs in a pool with millions of other individuals who digest everything they are told". Yet I've seen little sign that you're any different. You're simply spewing a lot of the anti-religious junk that so many others do and proposing a series of contradictory responses that align themselves with the very things you pretend to be railing against. Furthermore, you suggest that individuals will not be "victimized", that only "churches" will. Well, what qualifies as a "church"? Are you going to tax buildings? Are you going to "cripple" steeples? Finally, you seem to try to comfort me or your readers by saying "no one can tax your brain...and no one is proposing that." Yet all this time you're suggesting that such brains have been compromised by religion, which implies that they could also be compromised by you. This, when combined with your statements about "crippling" things, makes me think you simply wish to indoctrinate the religious into your own contradictory belief systems.
So, let me make a proposal to you: why don't you leave them alone? Why don't you defend the things you do have a right to defend from them: your mind and your property, and leave it at that?
so tell me if this is correct
you believe this (since all your posts are just posts that analyze what i have said and not actually any input from yourself)
1. Religions must be left alone at all costs.
2. Black men and Iraqis are all the same.
3. An individual can only defend their land and their mind and nothing else.
4. You are uncomfortable with the word ''motherfucker''
I guess I should have clarified my comment.
Churches don't cut a check to the political candidate or party. That doesn't happen. They do have influence over their congregation and those members can donate as much as they want.
What world do you live in? You think I can walk into any non-profit and get their services?
read what I wrote again. "most other non-profits are open to anyone that *NEEDS* their services" they not going to help someone that isn't truely in need of their services.
for instance if you walked into a non-profit hiv/aids clinic and you don't have or hiv or aids and your seeking treatment for an earache then yes they can turn you away. or if you're a millionaire with all kinds of disposable income and you walked into a soup kitchen looking for a free meal, they could turn you away. if only because their limited resources must be given to those that really NEED them
I guess I should have clarified my comment.
Churches don't cut a check to the political candidate or party. That doesn't happen. They do have influence over their congregation and those members can donate as much as they want.
people who go to church will go to a church that relates to their beliefs. therefore you can say that teh church is not influence them as much as having the same beliefs.
no one goes to a church that does not speck to them abotu what they already believe.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
Do you also believe you, as a "motherfucker" should be "rounded up" and "crippled"?
no. im not in an organization that promotes separation of people and blind ignorance to my surroundings.. i promote acceptance, and if you or anyone else is religious...well i dare you to read the books of all religions and tell me you wont be a little more accepting..and this goes for anyone.
im giving ideas on how to tax them and why to to tax them...you arent giving anything here. i never said round up church goers.. i said round up religious leaders and the countries leaders who for most part are acting as their countries religious leaders every time they use religion in their words to justify descisions to kill.
this is the truth sir. look around you and read some papers and watch some of these speeches.
read what I wrote again. "most other non-profits are open to anyone that *NEEDS* their services" they not going to help someone that isn't truely in need of their services.
for instance if you walked into a non-profit hiv/aids clinic and you don't have or hiv or aids and your seeking treatment for an earache then yes they can turn you away. or if you're a millionaire with all kinds of disposable income and you walked into a soup kitchen looking for a free meal, they could turn you away. if only because their limited resources must be given to those that really NEED them
Most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men. Rape relief centres will turn away men and most won't let men volunteer. The food shelter won't give me filet mignon and have a hard time meeting a vegan's needs.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
There are plenty of non profits who cater to specific "clients" and who do not allow others to participate in what they offer. Plus, when you "join" a church, you are chosing to follow their ideology. If you cannot or do not want to, then find another church. It's really quite simple.
yes they cater to specific clients based upon if that person is in NEED of the services that they offer. that is something that must be done went trying to help as many people that really need it, when working with limited resources.
I guess I should have clarified my comment.
Churches don't cut a check to the political candidate or party. That doesn't happen. They do have influence over their congregation and those members can donate as much as they want.
Greenpeace has a lot of political clout as do thousands of not for profit organizations who have the luxury of tax exempt status. Do you propose to treat these other organizations the same and take away their right to participate in the democratic process or lose their tax exempt status?
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men. Rape relief centres will turn away men and most won't let men volunteer. The food shelter won't give me filet mignon and have a hard time meeting a vegan's needs.
the first 2 lines you wrote are so true and make good points however that last line might be one of the dumbest things that i have ever heard.
i want to first say that it i strue that most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men and that is stupid. i know many gay men who are in abusive relationships and there is hardly anyplace that they can go. teh saddest part is that assult in a gay relationship is not ever considered abuse.
the reason that rape centres will turn away men from volunteering i sthat most people that are raped are women by men. how confortable would you be if you were a women who was just raped talking to a man.
finally, most foods banks and drop in lunch programs are available becuase the food is donated. the staff can only do what they have.
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid."
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
the first 2 lines you wrote are so true and make good points however that last line might be one of the dumbest things that i have ever heard.
i want to first say that it i strue that most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men and that is stupid. i know many gay men who are in abusive relationships and there is hardly anyplace that they can go. teh saddest part is that assult in a gay relationship is not ever considered abuse.
the reason that rape centres will turn away men from volunteering i sthat most people that are raped are women by men. how confortable would you be if you were a women who was just raped talking to a man.
finally, most foods banks and drop in lunch programs are available becuase the food is donated. the staff can only do what they have.
The food shelter comment about filet mignon was stupid but not the vegan. If you don't expect a food shelter to accomodate everyones beliefs when providing services you should not hold churches to a different standard.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Comments
Of course you do. You're proposing to make it.
Excellent. So stop proposing to make war.
Do you think that would stop them?
Insulting how? If I'm wrong, what do you care?
To highlight the hypocrisy I'm seeing, of course.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
what do you mean? what would they be fighting this time?
what are you talking about... having churches pay taxes and sanctioning them to the point where they are crippled is not proposing war.. any religion who cannot live amongst other religions peacefully is a bully.. this is nothing more than glorified gangs.. any actions of agression towards another religion for spirtual reasons (which has been going on forever) will be dealt with towards the religion as a whole.. if you as an individual feel the nescessity in 2007 to place your personal beliefs in a pool with millions of other individuals who digest everything they are told than your church will be the victim not you as an individual... no one can tax your brain...and no one is proposing that.
exactly! majority of churches i bet you will find are well behaved.
so yes.. maybe its time we got these religions together and sat them down... and told them no more." to mean you want no more religion. This is what people would be fighting against. And since you don't believe in war I can only suppose you'd follow through on your beliefs and turn the other cheek and submit.
If you mean no more religious wars I'm not sure what you mean by this. WWI was not a religious war. WWII was not a religious war. Vietnam and Korean Wars were not religious wars. Are these wars okay? Do these wars merit differrent treatment than a so called religious war? Are the current situation in Iraq and Afghanistan religious wars? Was Clinton's bombing of Kosovo a religious war? If so what religion was he warring for?
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Hehe...it's certainly not proposing a fair war. But it is war, nonetheless.
Wow. How would you feel if I got carjacked by a black guy and proposed that it should "be dealt with towards the race as a whole"? How would you feel if an Iraqi came to Orlando and shot you in the face in response to the United States' war against Iraq? Are those actions cool with you?
Sigh....
im in no way against the beliefs of the individual... you are also right about the wars you mentioned...maybe to an individual fighting in the war could it have been about religion to them...but in the grand scheme those wars werent based on religion... but they were based on principles of a mass belief... whether its communism or capitalism.. I think its the agressor, the instigator that is slipping through history and being unnoticed and im not against religions like i wouldnt have been against the nazi party taking over in germany.. but as soon as the killing starts...thats what im against and why i would have been against them..just like i think you can say...hey its not the people who go to churchs fault that there is a consensus amongst christians that muslims want to rid the planet of non muslims or the consensus that we must kill americans for allah.. im saying the wrong people are being put at fault to protect the real, bigger problem and thats the organized crime of all
religions on a large scale...
as if to say...the people, the peaceful are victims of cult thinking.
again i question your motivation here. you are getting off topic and making half assed comparisons.
if the black guy was a pawn by the organization of black men than yes the black men should be sanctioned.. BUT THATS NOT REALITY MAN!!! AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS LIKE US ALL
try and stay in real time could you??
also i get a sense youa re tyrying to discredit me for some reason as you are acting like you are so advanced in thought that my posts are a waste of time.. if you cant make intelligent responses...why waste your own time
example.... ''sigh''
hehe yeah
didnt jesus give bread... someone told me the other day bread is bad because of carbs... lol thats we get nowadays
instead of helping people we have gone to...you dont want that glass of water anyway
but excuse me while i go in private to get a drink
Making a statement is not questioning my motivation. My motivation is simply to find out how "tolerant" and "peaceful" you actually are.
So are church goers, priests, and all the "motherfuckers" you wish to "round up".
I am trying to discredit you. People who preach anger, hate, and intolerance in the name of "tolerance" and "acceptance" and "love" are no better than the fanatics that came before them, and I have no more interest in seeing you sway others in the same way of those who came before you.
I'll happily expound, then.
You criticize those if who "as an individual feel the nescessity in 2007 to place your personal beliefs in a pool with millions of other individuals who digest everything they are told". Yet I've seen little sign that you're any different. You're simply spewing a lot of the anti-religious junk that so many others do and proposing a series of contradictory responses that align themselves with the very things you pretend to be railing against. Furthermore, you suggest that individuals will not be "victimized", that only "churches" will. Well, what qualifies as a "church"? Are you going to tax buildings? Are you going to "cripple" steeples? Finally, you seem to try to comfort me or your readers by saying "no one can tax your brain...and no one is proposing that." Yet all this time you're suggesting that such brains have been compromised by religion, which implies that they could also be compromised by you. This, when combined with your statements about "crippling" things, makes me think you simply wish to indoctrinate the religious into your own contradictory belief systems.
So, let me make a proposal to you: why don't you leave them alone? Why don't you defend the things you do have a right to defend from them: your mind and your property, and leave it at that?
you do know that Martin Luther King Jr was a minister? would you rather he didn't get involved?
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
so tell me if this is correct
you believe this (since all your posts are just posts that analyze what i have said and not actually any input from yourself)
1. Religions must be left alone at all costs.
2. Black men and Iraqis are all the same.
3. An individual can only defend their land and their mind and nothing else.
4. You are uncomfortable with the word ''motherfucker''
No. Religions must be left alone to the same extent you expect to be left alone.
No. Black men and Iraqis are all different, much like churchgoers and church staffers.
An individual can only defend something that is theirs. Anything else is not "defense", it is offense.
Not particularly.
I guess I should have clarified my comment.
Churches don't cut a check to the political candidate or party. That doesn't happen. They do have influence over their congregation and those members can donate as much as they want.
read what you wrote here...and than read the title of the post
i agree they should be taxed heavily also!
read what I wrote again. "most other non-profits are open to anyone that *NEEDS* their services" they not going to help someone that isn't truely in need of their services.
for instance if you walked into a non-profit hiv/aids clinic and you don't have or hiv or aids and your seeking treatment for an earache then yes they can turn you away. or if you're a millionaire with all kinds of disposable income and you walked into a soup kitchen looking for a free meal, they could turn you away. if only because their limited resources must be given to those that really NEED them
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
Do you also believe you, as a "motherfucker" should be "rounded up" and "crippled"?
people who go to church will go to a church that relates to their beliefs. therefore you can say that teh church is not influence them as much as having the same beliefs.
no one goes to a church that does not speck to them abotu what they already believe.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
no. im not in an organization that promotes separation of people and blind ignorance to my surroundings.. i promote acceptance, and if you or anyone else is religious...well i dare you to read the books of all religions and tell me you wont be a little more accepting..and this goes for anyone.
im giving ideas on how to tax them and why to to tax them...you arent giving anything here. i never said round up church goers.. i said round up religious leaders and the countries leaders who for most part are acting as their countries religious leaders every time they use religion in their words to justify descisions to kill.
this is the truth sir. look around you and read some papers and watch some of these speeches.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
yes they cater to specific clients based upon if that person is in NEED of the services that they offer. that is something that must be done went trying to help as many people that really need it, when working with limited resources.
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
the first 2 lines you wrote are so true and make good points however that last line might be one of the dumbest things that i have ever heard.
i want to first say that it i strue that most domestic abuse shelters will turn away men and that is stupid. i know many gay men who are in abusive relationships and there is hardly anyplace that they can go. teh saddest part is that assult in a gay relationship is not ever considered abuse.
the reason that rape centres will turn away men from volunteering i sthat most people that are raped are women by men. how confortable would you be if you were a women who was just raped talking to a man.
finally, most foods banks and drop in lunch programs are available becuase the food is donated. the staff can only do what they have.
- Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me."
- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley