Utah Man pulled over for speeding gets Tasered

i am a donut
i am a donut Posts: 68
edited November 2007 in A Moving Train
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc


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All I gotta say is, WOW. This cop was placing him under arrest for refusing to sign the ticket. He had the taser out when he told him to place his hands behind his back. He lied to the officer who showed up later and said he only pulled out the taser when the guy didn't obey his orders to put his hands behind his back. He told the wife that he pulled out the taser when it looked like the guy was walking back to his car.

Moral of the story...? COPS SUCK...!!
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Moral of the story...? THIS COP SUCKS...!!

    this guy is what gives cops a bad name....he can't even handle a simple speeding ticket.......i doubt this guy will be a cop much longer....
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    You have to sign to the charge at the time of incident in the US? In Canada you get three different options (guilty, guilty with explanation. or contest the charge in court) and you certainly don't have to sign anything from a petty officer at roadside.

    That's messed up. What is the signing thing for? acceptance of guilt? I don't see the point of signing anything.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You have to sign to the charge at the time of incident in the US? In Canada you get three different options (guilty, guilty with explanation. or contest the charge in court) and you certainly don't have to sign anything from a petty officer at roadside.

    That's messed up. What is the signing thing for? acceptance of guilt? I don't see the point of signing anything.


    signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt just an acknowledgment that you understand why you were given the citation......oh and guess what this guy didn't and wanted an explanation and instead got tasered.....this cop doesn't know his pinky toe from his dick......just another insecure man on a powertrip...
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    You have to sign to the charge at the time of incident in the US? In Canada you get three different options (guilty, guilty with explanation. or contest the charge in court) and you certainly don't have to sign anything from a petty officer at roadside.

    That's messed up. What is the signing thing for? acceptance of guilt? I don't see the point of signing anything.

    Are you sure about that? I got a ticket in BC a few years back and I definitely had to sign the bottom of the ticket. It wasn't like an acceptance of guilt or anything like that, just my signature to prove that I had been pulled over and had been served with the ticket. Otherwise if you tried to fight it later on what proof would the cop had that he actually wrote a ticket and gave it to you?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Are you sure about that? I got a ticket in BC a few years back and I definitely had to sign the bottom of the ticket. It wasn't like an acceptance of guilt or anything like that, just my signature to prove that I had been pulled over and had been served with the ticket. Otherwise if you tried to fight it later on what proof would the cop had that he actually wrote a ticket and gave it to you?

    I've never signed for a ticket that I can remember. The guy always brings me everything back tells me I have 3 options, and I just drive away. I've gotten probably 10 tickets. Same deal every time.
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  • i am a donut
    i am a donut Posts: 68
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    Otherwise if you tried to fight it later on what proof would the cop had that he actually wrote a ticket and gave it to you?

    I just believe that you can be arrested for refusing to sign a ticket. Can anyone confirm this...? I mean, isn't the dash camera enough to prove the cop gave YOU the ticket...? Signing doen't prove anything. You can sign Mickey Mouse's name on the ticket for that matter. What does that prove...?
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    i am a donut wrote:
    I just believe that you can be arrested for refusing to sign a ticket. Can anyone confirm this...? I mean, isn't the dash camera enough to prove the cop gave YOU the ticket...? Signing doen't prove anything. You can sign Mickey Mouse's name on the ticket for that matter. What does that prove...?

    But alternatively if you don't sign the ticket cops could just sit in their cars and pull up random plate numbers on their computers and write tickets. When the people don't pay these tickets (because they never got them) they get hauled into court. If you pick people with very low credibility then it wouldn't be hard to believe a cop's word over the word of some guy claiming he never got a ticket. Even a dash camera is only going to pick up the back of your car, not the face of who is driving.
  • i am a donut
    i am a donut Posts: 68
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    But alternatively if you don't sign the ticket cops could just sit in their cars and pull up random plate numbers on their computers and write tickets. When the people don't pay these tickets (because they never got them) they get hauled into court. If you pick people with very low credibility then it wouldn't be hard to believe a cop's word over the word of some guy claiming he never got a ticket. Even a dash camera is only going to pick up the back of your car, not the face of who is driving.

    SO what if I sign the ticket left handed, then stroll into court 'thats not my signature'. But regardless, is it confirmed a crime to refuse to sign...?
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  • i am a donut
    i am a donut Posts: 68
    After doing a little google research, i guess you can be arrested in most states for refusing to sign, mostly at the officers discretion i believe. I would imagine it is also policy to warn the motorist that he can be arrested for refusing to sign a citation. The cop simply told him to exit the vehicle, and whipped out the taser gun. Im sure this guy will get fired...
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    It looked like the driver was in disbelief that he was being arrested and began walking back to his vehicle, at which point the cop tasered him. I don't recall the officer giving him warning. The part that indicates the cops arrogance is at the end, when he's talking to the other officers calling the motorist a "Shithead" and the like.

    It just seemed like the motorist was doing roughly the same speed as the cop and when he was pulled over I was puzzled too.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Don't taze me bro!
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  • poto101
    poto101 Posts: 447
    the way i see it, this cop has a right to protect himself.....but in this situation i disagree with his actions

    he gave no warning to tasing the man....even though in his discussion at the end of the video he says he did say "freeze or I will taze you," this does upset me greatly

    the way I understand it is that a person is not guaranteed arrest for failing to sign a ticket, and so in this sense was not resisting arrest and should have not been tazed (especially without a warning)

    for me it is the lack of warning that upsets me. the man was not making threats and was in no way endangering the officer in his "resistance." if failing to sign a ticket IS in fact means of arrest, the officer should have made this clearer and made the threat of using a taser for failing to comply with his requests.

    overall, the officer should be penalized for this. removed from the force...i dont think so, taser wounds heal (it's not as if he maliaciously beat him with a night stick, one taze and handcuffs) and all that can come of this case is a clearer understanding of rights by the man being pulled over.
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    poto101 wrote:
    the way i see it, this cop has a right to protect himself.....but in this situation i disagree with his actions

    he gave no warning to tasing the man....even though in his discussion at the end of the video he says he did say "freeze or I will taze you," this does upset me greatly

    the way I understand it is that a person is not guaranteed arrest for failing to sign a ticket, and so in this sense was not resisting arrest and should have not been tazed (especially without a warning)

    for me it is the lack of warning that upsets me. the man was not making threats and was in no way endangering the officer in his "resistance." if failing to sign a ticket IS in fact means of arrest, the officer should have made this clearer and made the threat of using a taser for failing to comply with his requests.

    overall, the officer should be penalized for this. removed from the force...i dont think so, taser wounds heal (it's not as if he maliaciously beat him with a night stick, one taze and handcuffs) and all that can come of this case is a clearer understanding of rights by the man being pulled over.

    Did anyone notice how the cop approached the vehicle? I've been pulled over before and I've never seen a cop approached my car like that. He walked up as he was getting ready to talk to his buddy with his face squarely in the window.

    From what I could hear he never said "you are under arrest" he said "step out of the vehicle". Also when he told him to turn around if he did that he would then in fact be facing the cop. Which in turn is not what the cop wants.

    He should be reprimanded severely and I would sue just to bring more light to this case.

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    cutback wrote:
    signing a ticket is not an admission of guilt just an acknowledgment that you understand why you were given the citation.......

    So the city/town whatever else makes money. always the reason a citation is given.

    Cops who ticket people for speeding are all on power trips, I bet every single cop speeds and never writes themselves a ticket!
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    and what the fuck! he then does a quick search of the car?
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    What I found interesting was when the fucking pig was talking to the wife he said, "well, he wanted to be in charge..."

    Now I'm sure there are exceptions but generally speaking, cops are the scum of society. They were obviously abused as children or had some sort of inferiority complex in middle school that made them want to "be in charge" of others.

    And let's be honest, they certainly aren't smart. Anyone willing to settle for a shitty job with shitty pay and absolutely no moral payoff at the end of the day is a fucking idiot. I think cops are the fuck ups that even the military won't accept.
  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    If the idiot would have simply signed the ticket and done what he was told, he wouldn't have been tazered. It's very simple really. He had an ego problem. Wouldn't submit to authority. Well I bet he learned his lesson now. Jerk. What was he trying to prove by arguing with the cop from the get go? Talk about arrogant pig. And it wasn't the police officer.
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  • MahoganySouls
    MahoganySouls Posts: 357
    MrBrian wrote:
    So the city/town whatever else makes money. always the reason a citation is given.

    Cops who ticket people for speeding are all on power trips, I bet every single cop speeds and never writes themselves a ticket!
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    and what the fuck! he then does a quick search of the car?
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    Speeding is dangerous and this guy was an idiot if he was speeding with a pregnant wife and child in the car. Selfish power hungry egomaniac.
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  • MahoganySouls
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    don't gimme no wrote:
    What I found interesting was when the fucking pig was talking to the wife he said, "well, he wanted to be in charge..."
    And that is exactly the problem. The driver refused to comply with the police officers direct orders. You choose to disobey, you pay.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    MrBrian wrote:
    I bet every single cop speeds and never writes themselves a ticket!


    Yeah.
    How many times have you rolled up to a stoplight with a cop, and then when it turns green he guns it to about 60 (assuming it's a 35mph zone) and is gone?

    I am aggravated daily by police officers violating the very same laws they are hired to enforce.

    One time i actually was rolling around some back roads toking down with a buddy late and night, and we were on the far side of a suburban parkway ...

    what we saw were TWO police cars doing what looked like 70+ mph with their lights on ... RACING EACHOTHER ... in a 35mph zone.

    however, as soon as they rounded the corner (they were driving perpendicular to us, but turned left and ended up facing us) ... and saw our headlights down the road, the shut off their emergency lights and slamed on their breaks ... i think one actualy turned around and went the other way.

    WHAT A FUKING JOKE.
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  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    MahoganySouls wrote:
    If the idiot would have simply signed the ticket and done what he was told, he wouldn't have been tazered. It's very simple really. He had an ego problem. Wouldn't submit to authority. Well I bet he learned his lesson now. Jerk. What was he trying to prove by arguing with the cop from the get go? Talk about arrogant pig. And it wasn't the police officer.


    The officer is obligated to inform and explain why the motorist was pulled over and why he was writing him up (a ticket). The driver routinely attempted to communicate with the officer and requested an explanation for being pulled over and for being ticketed. This particular officer did none of those things in a rational or professional manner, to any satisfactory extent or degree. He refused to explain anything to the driver and simply continued to bark orders at the driver, while blurting out something about a Speed Sign; between barked orders.

    Right from the very beginning, the officer perceived the drivers questions, requests for explanation/information and inquiries as a debate or an attempt to deliberate the charges, right there on the side of the road and as a challenge to his authority. Why the officer precieved it in that manner, is anyone's guess. Undoubtedly the officer was over-zealous or overly-sensitive to his authoritive position.

    It is his job and obligation to explain in a detailed manner. Signing the ticket indicates you have been explained and informed of the charges and why you were pulled over and ticketed. With the officer having done none of those things in a satisfactory manner and behaving in an overly-sensitve and aggressive manner; one could not expect the driver to sign the ticket. Thus the reason he did not sign it. He even told the officer he would sign it if the officer explained it to him. The officer reacted with more barking of orders and more belligerence.

    The driver made a huge mistake by not following the officer's orders to put his hands behind his back, putting his hands in his pockets (undoubedly a nervous/impulsive reaction to the whole situation) and then trying to walk back to the car. That's where the driver screwed up. That was the red flag that officers percieve as a threat, so the officer reacted by firing the Taser.

    The Taser the officer had pulled out and used as a defensive threat right from the start of this whole sequence. He had no business pulling out a Taser, till the driver refused to put his hands behind his back, put his hands in his pockets and then tried to walk back to the car.

    The officer was the catalyst in this situation escalating to the point that it did. If he had followed procedure and the Law, it would have not escalated to that point. If he had simply done his job..... explained/informed the driver and behaved like a rational and professional police officer; no tasing would have occured. He instigated this whole thing

    Seems to me there's a very distinct possibility that was a speed trap and the Speed Sign in question was in fact either poorly placed or obstructed from view.

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